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Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:01 pm

According to The Hill Delta really upset some folks by canceling MEM-AMS:

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...-delta-after-tenn-flights-canceled
 
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:17 pm

Even if they did break a "promise", why should DL keep a route that is losing money and bad for their busineess just to please Memphis? Yes, it is sad to see more widebody and international service leaving MEM, but is it really worth all this trouble?

"On Wednesday, he reiterated arguments that Delta has said Memphis would not lose jobs or flights, "

Did DL really say this? If they did, this probably wasn't very smart to do. And if they saw some potential for MEM at the time, obviously something hsa changed that made it logical to downsize MEM operations.
 
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:19 pm

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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:33 pm

Personally I thinks it's a little petty on the Congressmans part and I've never heard of a merger that didn't have some job lose.
 
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:51 pm

Every congress member in every state does the same thing for any company that does something detrimental to them. It's the nature of getting re-elected or looking good to your constituents versus the merits of the argument...
 
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:03 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 1):
"On Wednesday, he reiterated arguments that Delta has said Memphis would not lose jobs or flights, "

Did DL really say this? If they did, this probably wasn't very smart to do. And if they saw some potential for MEM at the time, obviously something hsa changed that made it logical to downsize MEM operations.

I think he is confusing Richard Anderson with a well know major party politician.
 
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:57 am

If was a representative of that area, I'd be pretty upset too. We all know that recent airline acquisitions was primarily to eliminate competition. But they still get approved as long as the airlines say the right things.

Take this note: "The Delta spokesman said the decision to cut direct service to Amsterdam had nothing to do with the merger."

We all know that's a bunch of baloney. The dismantling of the MEM hub, and subsequent MEM-AMS cut, is a direct result of the combined airline.
 
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:01 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 6):
We all know that's a bunch of baloney. The dismantling of the MEM hub, and subsequent MEM-AMS cut, is a direct result of the combined airline.


How so?
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:11 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 6):
If was a representative of that area, I'd be pretty upset too. We all know that recent airline acquisitions was primarily to eliminate competition. But they still get approved as long as the airlines say the right things.

Take this note: "The Delta spokesman said the decision to cut direct service to Amsterdam had nothing to do with the merger."

We all know that's a bunch of baloney. The dismantling of the MEM hub, and subsequent MEM-AMS cut, is a direct result of the combined airline.

What DL HAD said was that no "frontline" jobs would be lost due to the merger and I doubt if there were any as a direct result of the merger, but THAT was 3- 4 years ago. How long will it be before anyone (including on here) stops blaming EVERYTHING on the merger. Is there like a time limit?  


Is DL supposed to keep operating a flight, that is losing money, just because some "thinks" a promise was broken? It was not.......there were no jobs lost, in MEM or systemwide, as a direct result of the merger. Now, 4 years later, they MAY be reducing employees at MEM ( we have heard none of that in this) but are reducing a money losing flight.

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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:17 am

Just wait, soon it'll be someone bitching about out UA is pulling out of CLE.
 
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:22 am

Antitrust is a valid issue with any large merger but this just comes off a bit parochial in its concerns. I'm not familiar with antitrust law but it seems as if in this case it isn't so much a lack of competition (that's probably the case with most hub-and-spoke networks at a hub city) but rather redundancy now that the merged carrier has more hubs to choose from. If he was concerned about DL eliminating competition above all there would/should have been more stipulations back when the merger took place about where NW's assets went.
 
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:30 am

At the end of the day, being a Congressman has its privileges on being able to call people out on things. In the end, DL will have to appease him somehow especially when political payback might be needed with his House friends from Georgia.
 
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:16 am

Quoting B757forever (Reply 7):
How so?

Do I really need to explain that?

Alright then. Why is MEM being dismantled as a hub? I bet it's because the largest hub in the world is nearby, and so Delta is largely competing against itself for connection service. Of course you don't want to compete against yourself, so one half of the equation goes away to fix that. We would call that collusion if we had still had two separate companies, but now with one, it's fair game.

Quoting mayor (Reply 8):
How long will it be before anyone (including on here) stops blaming EVERYTHING on the merger. Is there like a time limit?

Simple. When there's no more actions that were significantly affected by the acquisition. But don't hold your breath on that. Look at how the AA/TW deal still affects current actions. The ripples last for a long, long time. If an airline doesn't like the feedback, tough beans. They've asked for it.
 
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:07 am

Quoting deltaffindfw (Reply 4):
Every congress member in every state does the same thing for any company that does something detrimental to them. It's the nature of getting re-elected or looking good to your constituents versus the merits of the argument...

And don't forget the timing... I'm sure they'll be a nice front page article in the Memphis Daily News (replete with a photograph of said Congressman) bashing Delta for destroying Memphis jobs etc etc, very conveniently 3 days before his re-election...

Or am I too cynical  
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:24 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 12):
Alright then. Why is MEM being dismantled as a hub?

High fuel costs. Limited O & D traffic. Continued economic weakness in the US and the EU. I could go on, but of course the conspiracy theorists will never acknowledge any of these issues. I find it ironic that a member of congress is telling a company how to run their business while the US gov is running trillion+ deficits year after year. If they worked in the business world, they would have sacked years ago for malfeasance.
 
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:26 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 12):
Simple. When there's no more actions that were significantly affected by the acquisition. But don't hold your breath on that. Look at how the AA/TW deal still affects current actions. The ripples last for a long, long time. If an airline doesn't like the feedback, tough beans. They've asked for it.

Knowing your dislike for DL, I expect I'll be dead and buried by that time. The least little thing, that DL does that you don't like, you'll manage to spin it as being a result of the merger.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:31 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 12):
Look at how the AA/TW deal still affects current actions.

Yes, let's look at the the AA/TW deal. If not for the AA merger, it was pretty clear that TW was headed for Chapter 7 liquidation. The STL hub would have been dead from the get go, and all the staff would have had to start over from scratch.
 
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:17 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 13):
And don't forget the timing... I'm sure they'll be a nice front page article in the Memphis Daily News (replete with a photograph of said Congressman) bashing Delta for destroying Memphis jobs etc etc, very conveniently 3 days before his re-election...

Or am I too cynical

  

Bingo!!!

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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:14 am

I wonder if the Memphis - Amsterdam flight was cancelled due to low demand ex-Memphis OR due to the inbound flights feeding into Memphis did not carry enough demand to Amsterdam via Memphis?

Could this cancellation be due to an overwhelming number of passenger complaints in regards to their perception of the arrivals/departures facilities at Memphis?

How can Delta bring this flight back to make everyone happy? What needs to be done at Memphis? I'm sure someone at Network Planning can shed some light into what brought this flight to a halt.

(If I answered my own question, then someone please follow-up with facts.) This is an interesting topic to discuss.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:08 am

I am confused. There are a ton of exUSA flights to AMS on DL. I cannot imagine that DL would suspend this service without some serious thought if the loads were completely dependent on O&D travel. With flights originating from ATL/DTW/MSP/BOS/NYC/PDX/SEA, this is hardly an anti-trust issue.

Also, no offence to the MEM folks, but out of the NW hubs MEM was(is) my least favourite, strictly based on type of aircraft available into that city. Heck I even punish myself by flying into and out of NYC just to avoid a trip through MEM. Which is sad because if you are routed through MEM, you avoid a FAC fee (usually $5).

Having never using MEM customs, I cannot directly answer that question, but I cannot imagine a worse CBP/FIS facility than JFK T3.

But back to the OP. To me it seems to be politically driven, rather than strictly an anti-trust issue. You may get to AMS via almost every city DL flies non-stop to, along with a lot of other KLM connections with the JV.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:52 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 6):
We all know that recent airline acquisitions was primarily to eliminate competition.

We do?

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 6):
We all know that's a bunch of baloney.

The only thing we (everyone but you) ALL know is that NWA doesn't exist anymore...not at MSP, MEM, or anywhere else.

Please speak for yourself. WE don't need you to tell us ALL how to think or what to think.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:22 am

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 11):
At the end of the day, being a Congressman has its privileges on being able to call people out on things. In the end, DL will have to appease him somehow especially when political payback might be needed with his House friends from Georgia.

I don't think you understand how Congress, and especially the House of Representatives works. Steve Cohen, who represents Shelby County (Memphis) Tennessee in the House of Representatives, is a Jewish Democrat. Of Georgia's 13 Congressional Districts, there are five Democrats and eight Republicans. Of the Five Democrats, only one is white, and he has been redistricted and will be probably be defeated next week, plus Georgia picked up a seat so the new line up will be Four Democrats, all of whom are black and represent the City of Atlanta, and areas around it, and 10 Republicans. Now which one of these members of the House are going to help out Steve Cohen? NONE. And the Majority Republicans are not going to touch a complaint like this with a ten foot pole.
 
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:01 am

Quoting milesrich (Reply 21):

Oh I know exactly how Congress works and let me tell you, being Jewish, Black or any race has little to do with it. In Congress you're in a members only club and at times they do take care of each other regardless of political sides.
 
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:55 pm

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 9):
Just wait, soon it'll be someone bitching about out UA is pulling out of CLE.

or IAH-CDG getting cancelled cause of the merger.

Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 18):
What needs to be done at Memphis? I'm sure someone at Network Planning can shed some light into what brought this flight to a halt.

Who needs NP? It got canned cause it wasn't working and wasn't in thier strategic plan going forward.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:18 pm

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 22):
Oh I know exactly how Congress works and let me tell you, being Jewish, Black or any race has little to do with it. In Congress you're in a members only club and at times they do take care of each other regardless of political sides.

No offense, but I think you have been in a political coma since 1994 when Newt Gingrich engineered the GOP takeover of the House of Representatives. Cohen is just blabbering for his own political purposes. He is a white Southern Democrat, a vanishing species, and he represents a very large black population, Harold Ford's old Congressional Seat. No Congressman in Georgia is going to go after Delta Air Lines, one of if not Georgia's largest payroll producer, let alone do anything to hurt Delta's hub operation at Hartsfield JACKSON.
 
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:32 pm

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 12):
Do I really need to explain that?



Sure, give it a try. How would you maintain a hub with low O&D and very high fuel costs?
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:40 pm

Why was anyone surprised to see this happen? Some were surprised it lasted as long as it did.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:40 pm

Quoting Triple7LR (Thread starter):
According to The Hill Delta really upset some folks by canceling MEM-AMS:

DL upset quite a lot of people across the board, especially at MEM and CVG. I had a feeling this was coming for a while, especially after I took a unit on anti-trust politics in school. There are also some lawyers in Cincinnati, by the way, who have been doing some research into DL's policies at those airports, to see if it does break anti-trust laws....but at the same time, it's a very complicated situation. MEM, MSP, and DTW were NW's hubs, which DL bought in the merger. There is so much overlay from this merger so many analysts thought that hub downsizing was inevitable, but what's the legality behind it?
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:50 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 27):
There is so much overlay from this merger so many analysts thought that hub downsizing was inevitable, but what's the legality behind it?

Cutting service would almost never violate competition law.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:54 pm

If DL never agreed to anything with the DOT relating to retaining capacity out of MEM as a condition of the merger (and I don't believe they did), then he's got no case. DL can promise that jobs and flights won't be cut, but all you had to do was look at the state of the airline and you'd see that they weren't being honest about that.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 6):
Take this note: "The Delta spokesman said the decision to cut direct service to Amsterdam had nothing to do with the merger."

We all know that's a bunch of baloney. The dismantling of the MEM hub, and subsequent MEM-AMS cut, is a direct result of the combined airline.

   The writing was on the wall for this the moment the merger was announced. There was no way MEM would stay around with ATL still there.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 13):
And don't forget the timing... I'm sure they'll be a nice front page article in the Memphis Daily News (replete with a photograph of said Congressman) bashing Delta for destroying Memphis jobs etc etc, very conveniently 3 days before his re-election...

Or am I too cynical

Well, the cut was announced recently. So it's not like he's had months to say something about it but is just speaking out now.

Quoting B757forever (Reply 25):
How would you maintain a hub with low O&D and very high fuel costs?

You don't, unless you have no other hub geographically close that can pick up the lost feed. Which was the case with NW, but not the case with DL.

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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:07 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 29):
There was no way MEM would stay around with ATL still there.

There was a way, just not a way that panned out: 4 percent annual GDP growth and $40 oil. (Somewhat smaller growth numbers and higher oil prices would work too.)
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:12 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 27):
There are also some lawyers in Cincinnati, by the way, who have been doing some research into DL's policies at those airports, to see if it does break anti-trust laws....

Kinda silly... JFK posed a significant threat to CVG. DTW undoubtedly made things worse, but I don't really see how CVG would survive fully with the JFK and LGA expansion. Had the merger not happened, I wonder what CVG would look like today... (better but not that great and trending down I think)
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:15 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 31):
JFK posed a significant threat to CVG. DTW undoubtedly made things worse

DTW killed CVG off, not NYC.

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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:47 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 32):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 31):
JFK posed a significant threat to CVG. DTW undoubtedly made things worse

DTW killed CVG off, not NYC.

   despite DL's promises to KCAB, we all knew that the downsizing was going to happen, but we're equally as pissed as travelers. We're just glad that P&G subsidizes our international service.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:44 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 32):
DTW killed CVG off, not NYC.

Yes I know that and stated that. I am saying that in a non-merged DL I think we'd see JFK/LGA start eating away at CVG (not at the rate we see now but I don't think it would be as large as some people would like)
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:05 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 34):
Quoting Mir (Reply 32):
DTW killed CVG off, not NYC.

Yes I know that and stated that. I am saying that in a non-merged DL I think we'd see JFK/LGA start eating away at CVG (not at the rate we see now but I don't think it would be as large as some people would like)

I don't think so, DL was already down-sizing CVG pre-merger so I agree with you that absent a NW merger, CVG would have been smaller than before, probably around ~350-400 daily flights. But JFK/LGA don't really compete with the traffic flows that CVG served (i.e. DSM-ORF or LAX-FWA) and CVG's TATL routes were always comparatively fewer and only to the largest European cities, not really competitive with JFK.
 
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:40 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 35):
absent a NW merger, CVG would have been smaller than before, probably around ~350-400 daily flights.

The more interesting question is whether the poor economics of 50 seat CRJs would have killed CVG absent a merger. Before the DL/NW merger, no legacy really tried to be all things to all people, so I might argue that CVG would not have remained only to serve traffic flows like DSM-ORF or LAX-FWA, flows on which DL was likely at a significant cost disadvantage to UA, NW and perhaps even AA.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:54 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 36):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 35):
absent a NW merger, CVG would have been smaller than before, probably around ~350-400 daily flights.

The more interesting question is whether the poor economics of 50 seat CRJs would have killed CVG absent a merger.

Oh that definitely would have been a major hurdle, but I don't think so. CVG did well as a hub for about 10 years before the 50-seat RJ made it's debut with Comair. If I had to guess, props would have probably replaced the bulk of the short hop flying as was the case before the CRJ.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 36):
so I might argue that CVG would not have remained only to serve traffic flows like DSM-ORF or LAX-FWA, flows on which DL was likely at a significant cost disadvantage to UA, NW and perhaps even AA.

I don't really see how they would have been at a cost disadvantage. There are so many variables that would come into play, but are we talking about a CVG hub if NO mergers at all had taken place? In any case, CVG did serve a purpose in the PMDL network, it was DL's ORD and without it they would have had a negligible to non-existent presence in one of the most populous areas of the country, a region where every other carrier had a presence in.
 
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Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:48 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 37):
In any case, CVG did serve a purpose in the PMDL network, it was DL's ORD and without it they would have had a negligible to non-existent presence in one of the most populous areas of the country, a region where every other carrier had a presence in.

Oh, I agree. The question is whether RJ economics would have gotten so bad at some point that we would have seen CVG cut back to 150-200 flights. Remember that today - even at its much reduced size - CVG still serves many of the flows we are discussing.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:13 am

I'll say it again.......if a route, flight or city is cut from the system, say, 20 years down the road, does that qualify as being a result of the merger?   Are there any route decisions, made today, that are the result of the C&S, NE or WA mergers? No? Didn't think so.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:28 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 39):
Are there any route decisions, made today, that are the result of the C&S, NE or WA mergers?

Today, no, but when was LAX-GDL cut? It was more than a decade after the WA merger and was arguably cut as a result of the merger.

AA took close to a decade to pare STL down after the TW merger.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:29 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 38):
Oh, I agree. The question is whether RJ economics would have gotten so bad at some point that we would have seen CVG cut back to 150-200 flights. Remember that today - even at its much reduced size - CVG still serves many of the flows we are discussing.

I honestly think that w/o the merger and WITH the 50-seaters retiring, DL would've probably updated OH's fleet to something more profitable. Sure flights would be lost but as stated above by someone else it would probably be between 250-350/day.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:51 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 39):
I'll say it again.......if a route, flight or city is cut from the system, say, 20 years down the road, does that qualify as being a result of the merger?

20 years from now, probably not. But we're not even 10 years removed from the merger.

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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:09 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 43):
20 years from now, probably not. But we're not even 10 years removed from the merger.

We're barely 4 in fact. IIRC it was announced in 2008 and finalized in 2010.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:31 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 29):
If DL never agreed to anything with the DOT relating to retaining capacity out of MEM as a condition of the merger (and I don't believe they did), then he's got no case. DL can promise that jobs and flights won't be cut, but all you had to do was look at the state of the airline and you'd see that they weren't being honest about that.

That's why airlines (actually every corporation) always adds "at this time". Where I work, everytime someone asks a question about furloughs, we are told by our leaders "we don't anticipate any layoffs at this time". I highly doubt DL ever said "as a result of this merger, we don't anticipate any furloughs, base closures, or hub reductions EVER".
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:04 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 42):
Quoting mayor (Reply 39):
I'll say it again.......if a route, flight or city is cut from the system, say, 20 years down the road, does that qualify as being a result of the merger?

20 years from now, probably not. But we're not even 10 years removed from the merger.

What I'm getting at is, WHEN does an action cease to be as a result of the merger?

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 40):
Quoting mayor (Reply 39):
Are there any route decisions, made today, that are the result of the C&S, NE or WA mergers?

Today, no, but when was LAX-GDL cut? It was more than a decade after the WA merger and was arguably cut as a result of the merger.

I believe it was cut before I retired in '05, but how is that a result of the WA merger? True, DL wouldn't have had the route, in the first place, if they hadn't merged, BUT there are any number of other reasons the route was cut, not even related to the merger.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:39 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 45):
True, DL wouldn't have had the route, in the first place, if they hadn't merged, BUT there are any number of other reasons the route was cut, not even related to the merger.

I'd suggest that that is exactly the situation with MEM-AMS or, if you think that is too far removed from the merger, routes like ATL-PVG. The picture changes little. All that changes is the passage of time.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:50 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 46):
I'd suggest that that is exactly the situation with MEM-AMS or, if you think that is too far removed from the merger, routes like ATL-PVG. The picture changes little. All that changes is the passage of time.

ATL-PVG could have been cut, merger or not. The only connection that MEM-AMS has with the merger is that it was a NW route, but the reason it was cut, is because it hasn't been doing well. Besides, if the people in MEM need to go to AMS, there are any number of ways they can get there.....it just won't be a non-stop.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:56 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 45):
What I'm getting at is, WHEN does an action cease to be as a result of the merger?

IMO after all the cuts that happen immediately after the merger happens cease, or when the airline begins expanding into further markets beyond what was acquired in the merger. In DL's case they were working on NYC for quite some time before the merger happened.
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RE: Possible Antitrust Probe Of DL

Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:01 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 47):
The only connection that MEM-AMS has with the merger is that it was a NW route, but the reason it was cut, is because it hasn't been doing well.

ATL-PVG did well?

Quoting mayor (Reply 47):
Besides, if the people in MEM need to go to AMS, there are any number of ways they can get there.....it just won't be a non-stop.

Likewise, if people in ATL need to go to PVG, there are any number of ways they can get there . . . just not nonstop.

If anything, the merger gave MEM-AMS a stay of execution because the route was far more likely to work on a 767 than on a D10 or 330.
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