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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:07 am

The old thread 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10 (by wilco737 Oct 5 2012 in Civil Aviation) was rather long, so please continue here in Part 11

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:19 am

I've made changes to my tablse on the blog to reflect the current status of the 787s waiting to be delvivered.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:54 am

If CAAC has issues about 787 certification, CAAC should just publish what they have concern with and let everybody make their judgement. If they are valid, I am sure there will be a lot of support to make the sky safer.

Again if it is certfication issues related, FAA could also publish what CAAC brought up.

Just wondering why all these silence about mothballing the 787s.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:09 am

Quoting cosmofly (Reply 2):
If CAAC has issues about 787 certification, CAAC should just publish what they have concern with and let everybody make their judgement. If they are valid, I am sure there will be a lot of support to make the sky safer.

That's not how the Chinese roll. They will be more subtle and use their considerable leverage in all sorts of different areas of our Govt. That is assuming this is the hold up.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:49 am

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They are probably removing the interiors to perform the electrical and A/C ducting rework. a good part of the interiors are common to all customers so I think it's smoke.

True, but the case of LN11, LN18 and LN22 is different. Boeing moved those frames back into storage after they did some work on it. Maybe they stripped the interiors and used it for the new frames, meaning LN11, LN18 and LN22 and maybe LN15 will go to another customer.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:35 pm

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the production aircraft, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

33 Delivered to 7 Airlines

Deliveries Prior to November:
NH-16; JL-6; AI-3; ET-3; LA-2; UA–2; QR-1

Next Up (Tentative - Subject to Change):
L/N 44 - ET-AOP - 11/xx/2012 - ET #4
L/N 61 - SP-LRA - 11/09/2012 - LO #1
L/N 50 - N20902 - 11/xx/2012 - UA #3
L/N 80 - CC-BBC - 11/xx/2012 - LA #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 55 - N26905 - TBD - UA #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 78 - SP-LRB - TBD - LO #2 Awaiting first flight

Also "Next Up" but not being accepted right away by the airlines:
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ - TBD - AI #4
L/N 60 - VT-ANK - TBD - AI #5
L/N 65 - VT-ANL - TBD - AI #6
L/N 72 - VT-ANM - TBD - AI #7 Awaiting first flight
L/N 64 - A7-BCL - TBD- QR #2
L/N 57 - A7-BCA - TBD - QR #3
L/N 62 - A7-BCC - TBD - QR #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 82 - A7-BC? - TBD - QR #5 Awaiting first flight

Please note that I have removed the Chinese aircraft from the “Next Up” list since they are being put in storage…
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:49 pm

It is shocking to me that of the 19 aircraft that have completed production and change incorporation, 13 of them are for airlines that aren't taking delivery of them in a timely manner: AI, QR, HU & CZ. That is 68%! That has to be unprecedented for this type of program. The production seems to be clogged with aircraft for these four airlines...

It will be nice to get some more "normal" airlines as operators so Boeing can deliver planes at a pace that reflects it's production and change incorporation rate. Too bad that after LO takes delivery, it will be a while until BY and AM takes their first.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:54 pm

QR is always a hassle for any program, AI is mostly financial, the Chinese carriers would probably love to take their frames but someone higher up is calling the shots now.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:58 pm

Does anyone know what will happen to AT 787 ln17 & 19, will they wait for theirs or be given new slots and/or new builds?

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:07 pm

Quoting capri (Reply 8):
Does anyone know what will happen to AT 787 ln17 & 19, will they wait for theirs or be given new slots and/or new builds?

Rumor has it that they' will take new builds and that those frames will go to other customers.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 9):



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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:25 pm

Quoting capri (Reply 10):
thank you NYC777

You can read more about it on http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/ram...efers-787-delivery-until-2014.html
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:32 pm

It's strange that Boeing didn't comment on schedule change for AT, usually we are used to the other way around from AT, they never comment on anything even that famous hard landing at JFK in 2009, well anyway they are trying to sell 44% of its stake that no one will buy same as strangely their 4 A321 still didn't find a buyer since March through falko
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:56 pm

Quoting capri (Reply 12):
It's strange that Boeing didn't comment on schedule change for AT, usually we are used to the other way around from AT, they never comment on anything even that famous hard landing at JFK in 2009, well anyway they are trying to sell 44% of its stake that no one will buy same as strangely their 4 A321 still didn't find a buyer since March through falko

It's Boeing's policy not to comment on customer deliveries.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:50 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 5):
Please note that I have removed the Chinese aircraft from the “Next Up” list since they are being put in storage…
Quoting cosmofly (Reply 2):
If CAAC has issues about 787 certification, CAAC should just publish what they have concern with and let everybody make their judgement. If they are valid, I am sure there will be a lot of support to make the sky safer.

So CAAC/ CZ and HU are going to be our new "Airlines that shall not be named"   
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:16 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
So CAAC/ CZ and HU are going to be our new "Airlines that shall not be named"

Seriously. Charleston must be planning a parking annex.

Has the been any chatter over why the CAAC has a problem with the 787? Are they having an issue with the investigation into the problems with the GenX?
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:21 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
So CAAC/ CZ and HU are going to be our new "Airlines that shall not be named"   

Seriously....   
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
So CAAC/ CZ and HU are going to be our new "Airlines that shall not be named"


More like "Aviation Administration that shall not be named." Unlike AI, which certainly contributed to its delivery delays, CZ and HU appear to be pawns in an Anglo-American/Sino chess match.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:01 pm

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 17):
Anglo-Sino chess match

Er, I think that should read Yank-Sino chess match as Anglo refers to England as in Anglo Saxon etc!  
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:04 pm

I wonder if this Chinese issue has to due with the presidential campaign and Romney's threat to China...we will see if it goes away after the election, if Obama wins...
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:12 pm

Quoting petera380 (Reply 18):
Er, I think that should read Yank-Sino chess match as Anglo refers to England as in Anglo Saxon etc!

I thought the same, but looked it up. Apparently, Anglo can refer to "a white person who lives in the U.S. and is not Hispanic." With that said, I've edited the post to "Anglo-American" to differentiate from "Anglo Saxon" all the more to show that we are two nations divided by a common language.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:23 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 19):
I wonder if this Chinese issue has to due with the presidential campaign and Romney's threat to China

And/or, the high Japanese content in the 787? Japanese-Chinese relations are very frayed at the moment over disputed islands and rights to surrounding natural resources. Its my understanding that the drama is being played out on economic fronts, as well as, the diplomatic/military confrontations. The 787 may be one of those battlefields...

Quoting United787 (Reply 19):
if Obama wins...

You mean, "when" Obama wins, don't you?   

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:11 pm

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 21):
You mean, "when" Obama wins, don't you?

If I say "when", I will jink the election and then he won't win and I will have to move to Canada...and Chicago is cold enough for me...  
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:31 pm

Quoting petera380 (Reply 18):
I wonder if this Chinese issue has to due with the presidential campaign and Romney's threat to China



From what I have read I believe that the CAAC wants the FAA/CAA to relax their rules to make it easier for the Chinese to get their own aircraft certified in the West. The CAAC standards appear to be lower then the standards used in the West.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:42 pm

Quoting petera380 (Reply 23):
From what I have read I believe that the CAAC wants the FAA/CAA to relax their rules to make it easier for the Chinese to get their own aircraft certified in the West. The CAAC standards appear to be lower then the standards used in the West.

If that is the case, the 787's for the Chinese airlines will be sitting in storage and on Boeing's books for a long time.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:54 pm

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 21):
And/or, the high Japanese content in the 787?

The 777 has a fair bit of Japanese-sourced content.

Quoting petera380 (Reply 23):
From what I have read I believe that the CAAC wants the FAA/CAA to relax their rules to make it easier for the Chinese to get their own aircraft certified in the West. The CAAC standards appear to be lower then the standards used in the West.
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 24):
If that is the case, the 787's for the Chinese airlines will be sitting in storage and on Boeing's books for a long time.

Even if the FAA did loosen their standards, that wouldn't help with EASA certification. And since CZ has taken delivery of their first A380, they have no card to play with the EU until it comes time for CA's first A350 delivery.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:09 pm

"From what I have read I believe that the CAAC wants the FAA/CAA to relax their rules to make it easier for the Chinese to get their own aircraft certified in the West. The CAAC standards appear to be lower then the standards used in the West."

=ABSURDITY

1. Can someone briefly explain at a high level what will be involved to refit these Chinese planes and sell them to another carrier?

2. Can someone explain what will be required to switch the future Chinese slots to the next non prima dona client in the lineup?

3. It seems like this must be hurting Hainan and China Southern business plans, and the cost of getting ready for the 787's wasted.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:23 pm

Other airlines will fly into China (i.e. United with service from LAX to Shanghai next year) While foreign airlines are flying the 787 (and other modern aircraft) into Chinese airspace, the local airlines are being shut out of acquiring the same equipment to compete with. Guess the Chinese have yet to learn something more about free market competition.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:27 pm

I don't understand how the Chinese gov't can keep their domestic airlines from taking delivery of their 787's on certification issues and yet let ANA and JAL fly 787 to Chinese cities.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:30 pm

Quoting fleabyte (Reply 26):
1. Can someone briefly explain at a high level what will be involved to refit these Chinese planes and sell them to another carrier?

2. Can someone explain what will be required to switch the future Chinese slots to the next non prima dona client in the lineup?

3. It seems like this must be hurting Hainan and China Southern business plans, and the cost of getting ready for the 787's wasted.

It's not as simple as refitting for another carrier and "reallocating" slots to other carriers. If Boeing were to take the step of taking those a/c and selling them to someone else and cancelling the production slots and orders, they will effectively shut themselves out of a massive market. China is the world's most populous country and experiencing more growth in air service demand than anywhere on earth.

It would be relatively simple to either move up everyone to take the Chinese slots or sell them to an airline. Refitting the aircraft will be more complicated because each order has specialty items attached that vary from carrier to carrier. It could take weeks or months to "refit" an aircraft for another carrier.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:51 pm

Thanks for your reply Sonoma Flyer

but...

I would think that In reality, China must buy aircraft from Boeing whether they want to or not, Airbus can not produce enough aircraft at this point. I realize it is not easy and hence the question.

so the already built aircraft - I assume it would be to find a flexible buyer that would accept as many installed systems as possible such as the seats, the galleys, the engines, the options on the engines and avionics, then refit the other systems that the client could not accept? and negotiate with the Chinese carrier- refusing to accept delivery to reduce, delay or cancel their order.

aircraft in production lineup - I think I read in here that major sub systems are ordered years in advance and manufactured and delivered JIT or close to JIT? So just pushing the near term slots back by 10 or 20 positions seems a reasonable reaction to the current situation of Boeing continuing to pile up 200 million dollar paper weights at the far field runway?
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:53 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 25):
The 777 has a fair bit of Japanese-sourced content.

And, it was certified for China decades before the Diaoyu or Senkaku islands tension escalated dramatically. There have been violent anti-Japanese protests across China in the recent months.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:48 am

How much money have the Chinese airlines paid Boeing already?

I expect it could be quite a lot.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:51 am

Quoting fleabyte (Reply 30):
I would think that In reality, China must buy aircraft from Boeing whether they want to or not, Airbus can not produce enough aircraft at this point.

I just don't think Boeing will be willing to run that risk. They will grind their teeth at keeping a/c in storage but the aircraft are needed to fuel China's growth and as you stated, Airbus can't pick up the slack. Also, China is fighting the EU on the carbon tax issue which has further complicated wide body purchases for Chinese airlines. There is leverage on Boeing's side as well.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:33 am

I think the country that shall not be named discussion on delayed deliveries should be a separate thread. we burn through these fast enough as it is especially with the airline that shall note be named, the CEO that shall not be named, and now the country....

as far as these planes though, would the same governmental restrictions apply if the airlines were leasing them? Say they asked a leasing company to buy the planes for them.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:22 am

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 20):
i've edited the post to "Anglo-American" to differentiate from "Anglo Saxon" all the more to show that we are two nations divided by a common language.

Why are you excluding 1/3 of the U.S. population?

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:23 am

Quoting fleabyte (Reply 26):
1. Can someone briefly explain at a high level what will be involved to refit these Chinese planes and sell them to another carrier?

Remove the customer-specific interior (sidewalls, seats, carpet, galleys, lavs, IFE). Install new customer interior. Change out the software. Re-register the aircraft (actual registry, ICAO code, SELCAL, etc.). Potentially add/remove several hardware options.

Quoting fleabyte (Reply 26):
2. Can someone explain what will be required to switch the future Chinese slots to the next non prima dona client in the lineup?

Very little. Customers have no say in what production slot they have (they only have control over their delivery time window). Slots are typically assigned about 6-12 months ahead (probably more for the 787 since it's so delayed) but they're moved around on a regular basis.

Quoting fleabyte (Reply 26):
"From what I have read I believe that the CAAC wants the FAA/CAA to relax their rules to make it easier for the Chinese to get their own aircraft certified in the West. The CAAC standards appear to be lower then the standards used in the West."

=ABSURDITY

How so? This has happened before, no particular reason it can't be happening again.

Quoting fleabyte (Reply 26):
3. It seems like this must be hurting Hainan and China Southern business plans, and the cost of getting ready for the 787's wasted.

Yes, but Hainan and China Southern don't control aircraft purchasing, the Chinese government does. If the government has decided, for whatever reason, that this is a good political move then Hainan and China Southern have no leverage to combat that.

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 28):
I don't understand how the Chinese gov't can keep their domestic airlines from taking delivery of their 787's on certification issues and yet let ANA and JAL fly 787 to Chinese cities.

ANA and JAL 787's are certified by the JAA, not the Chinese government. ICAO treaties, almost without exception, grant reciprocal acceptance of other countries' certification. That's the same way that old Russian aircraft can fly in the US despite not having (and probably never having) FAA certification.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:47 am

Hi TDS Canuck

I did not realize the FAA had relaxed standards already in such a scenario? when was that and for what aircraft?
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:08 am

I hope we never trade safety for profits, the western world may be financially weak but we still have some morals left! This time I think the Chinese miscalculated with our resolve?!
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:29 am

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 21):
And/or, the high Japanese content in the 787? Japanese-Chinese relations are very frayed at the moment over disputed islands and rights to surrounding natural resources.

Well, if that is the case either they will never operate 787's or they must make accomodations elsewhere, I'm certain they know that Boeing will not chnage OEM's and set up an entirely new production system for a/c destined for China

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 28):
I don't understand how the Chinese gov't can keep their domestic airlines from taking delivery of their 787's on certification issues and yet let ANA and JAL fly 787 to Chinese cities.

It is every governments right to set the standards for its people, domestic is just that, domestic.
Now if China cancels it bi-lateral with Japan to stop the 787 operating into China for the benefit of the Japanese people, one can expect them to do the same with any other country who attempt to fly the 787 into China, would be very benevolent of them looking out for the world like that. 
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:36 am

I'm very puzzled that the Chinese seem to be picking fights with both A & B at the moment (remember that they keep trying to influence EU rules by dangling the "large A330" order that could be placed. Where are they going to get wide bodies from if they fall out with both suppliers?
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:46 pm

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 40):
Where are they going to get wide bodies from if they fall out with both suppliers?

Will never happen, the politicians in the USA and the EU want / need Chinese money, so accomodations will be made elsewhere.

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 40):
I'm very puzzled that the Chinese seem to be picking fights with both A & B

It's called leveraging ones position, in this case, they are a customer. Until a business house tells a customer to take his money elsewhere, these things will continue. Boeing previously turned down FR, but did cave to "others" and did a flying display for the first time in decades, fact that the customer did not take the a/c after supposed "damages" and made public its displeasure on the issue did make those of us who did not support the cave on the display a bit of "See I told you so", but we digress.
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:51 pm

I have a little update from various sources, regarding delivery of SP-LRA (Lot's first 787). As of now, it is scheduled for November 9, following by training flights.

Flyout to Warsaw will take place on 14th, arrival on the 15th, sometime between 10:30 and 11:30 local time. Apparently, it will be "intercepted" escorted to WAW by pair of PLAF F-16s with formation flypast over Okecie Airport, weather permitting.
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Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:54 pm

Quoting fleabyte (Reply 37):
I did not realize the FAA had relaxed standards already in such a scenario?

It's not the FAA relaxing their standards. It's the FAA accepting at prima facia value the certification of another country's aviation certification agency. And it is not unique or specific to the FAA, but is established by treaty for most agencies.

If the CAAC is deliberately holding up certification of the 787, Boeing might very well have legal grounds to stand on, but they won't because of the backlash from the Chinese if they did so.

As such, they'll just park the planes in the corner until CAAC is ready to accept them.
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:01 pm

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 42):
I have a little update from various sources, regarding delivery of SP-LRA (Lot's first 787). As of now, it is scheduled for November 9, following by training flights.

Flyout to Warsaw will take place on 14th, arrival on the 15th, sometime between 10:30 and 11:30 local time. Apparently, it will be "intercepted" escorted to WAW by pair of PLAF F-16s with formation flypast over Okecie Airport, weather permitting.

Anything on delivery of SP-LRB?
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Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:22 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 44):
Anything on delivery of SP-LRB?

Not yet, unfortunately.

The only information I have is that SP-LRB and -LRC are to be delivered sometime in January, 2013. No exact dates have been mentioned anywhere yet.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:54 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 3):

Quoting cosmofly (Reply 2):
If CAAC has issues about 787 certification, CAAC should just publish what they have concern with and let everybody make their judgement. If they are valid, I am sure there will be a lot of support to make the sky safer.

That's not how the Chinese roll.

" “Some people say the CAAC is being tougher with Comac than the FAA would have been,” says that official. That should not be a surprise. The Chinese authority, renowned for its conservative approach to safety, is also unusually demanding in the standards it imposes on airframe maintenance, while its requirements for the physical condition of civil pilots are sometimes half jokingly compared with the national space program’s demands on astronauts. "

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_10_26_2012_p0-511368.xml

Article says CAAC is tough even with Chinese ARJ certification.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:39 pm

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 17):
More like "Aviation Administration that shall not be named." Unlike AI, which certainly contributed to its delivery delays, CZ and HU appear to be pawns in an Anglo-American/Sino chess match.

In the case of Air India's delivery delays, AI is also a pawn in a chess match. It's just that the chess match is internal - between the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Civil Aviation...

Thanks to this chess match, MoF has blocked AI's access to the bridge financing they had lined up, so AI has restarted the tender process a few weeks ago.

Until this new tendering process is complete (or Ministry of Finance shuts up), AI's deliveries are all on hold.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:22 pm

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 47):

In the case of Air India's delivery delays, AI is also a pawn in a chess match. It's just that the chess match is internal - between the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Civil Aviation...

Thanks to this chess match, MoF has blocked AI's access to the bridge financing they had lined up, so AI has restarted the tender process a few weeks ago.

Until this new tendering process is complete (or Ministry of Finance shuts up), AI's deliveries are all on hold.

That's just great.   

Any fears in the Western World of India being an economic power house are put to rest by the actions of hte Indian Govt.

Guess there's always Jet Airways.

[Edited 2012-11-06 14:23:48]

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:55 pm

Quoting etoile (Reply 35):
Why are you excluding 1/3 of the U.S. population?

You're right, I should have just said Americans! The melting pot of the world. I'm sure "Sino" offended someone, somewhere, too....

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 47):
In the case of Air India's delivery delays, AI is also a pawn in a chess match

Stepping back a bit, would the Indian government be so involved at this juncture but for AI needing a bailout due unprofitable operations/mismanagement? Its hard to imagine AI as a pawn if their actions gave rise to increased oversight. My apologies upfront for not having a complete understanding of the dynamics at play here. Your perspective adds a lot to this thread.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 48):
Guess there's always Jet Airways.

The only profitable Indian airline, correct? When are they expected to take delivery of their first 787?
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