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Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:36 am

G'day and welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread # 65. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

* Philippine Airlines expresses interest in commencing Darwin services
* Virgin Australia releases its new campaign - "The romance is back"
* Emirates introduces A380 services to Melbourne
* Qantas confirms schedule changes for its Sydney and Melbourne to London flights
* Qantas confirms cessation of Frankfurt services to now occur October 2013
* Dallas and Qantas' services
* Qantas to acquire 100% of Australian Air Express
* QF ditches interim request to plan and negotiate proposed alliance with Emirates
* Alan Joyce addresses the National Press Club
* Initial concerns about British Airways' future in Australia
* Malaysia Airlines confirms it will reinstate Perth-Kota Kinabalu services from late 2012
* Qantas announces changes to its International Business soft product
* An Air Canada 77L helps the rescue of a stranded Australian sailor
* Qantas announces a $30m upgrade of its Brisbane maintenance facilities
* Article in TravelToday signals a revised MAR13 start of Air India services to Australia
* Melbourne Airport growth
* Qantas' first refurbished 767-300 recommences flying duties
* Alpha's Brisbane catering facility suffers a listeria outbreak
* Update on capacity increases at Brisbane Airport as well as progress of infrastructure projects
* China Eastern mentions that forward bookings to Cairns are lower than expected
* Transaero operates charters from Japan to Cairns with 747s
* Qantas returns to the Gold Coast after a number of years of absence
* Qantas confirms it 767 refurbishment program is tracking well ahead of schedule
* BA reconfirms its commitment to Australia announcing the introduction of 777-300ERs on its Sydney-London services from April 2013 with its flagship First and Premium Economy product
* Burn 115,000 QFF points for a SIM session

In one of the biggest announcements of this year, Virgin Australia announced that it would acquire 100% of WA-based Airline Skywest, as well as a 60% stake in LCC Tiger Airways Australia (both subject to regulatory approval). The same day, Singapore Airlines announced that it would be taking a 10% stake in Virgin Australia.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:46 pm

* According to an article in TravelDaily last week, China Eastern Airlines has made the surprise announcement that its Cairns-Shanghai services will expand to an all year round operation in 2013. The Airline only recently was reported as saying that forward bookings on its Cairns services were less than forecast and year round services were in doubt. It would come as no surprise if subsidies were thrown the Airline's way as a sweetner to operate year round services

* Canberra-based Brindabella Airlines has announced it will base one of its 30-seater J41s in Sydney from 19NOV12. The aircraft would be used on its existing Sydney-Cobar services. The Airline currently operates a number of weekly Cobar services and seasonal (read ski season) services to Cooma from Sydney

* Brisbane Airport Corporation will reportedly conduct overlay works on RWY 01/19 from June to September 2013. As a result, the runway will need to be closed between the hours of 2300 and 0500, which as many would be aware impacts on the midnight departure bank for a number of International airlines including EVA Air, China Airlines, Our Airline, Cathay Pacific, Emirates, Singapore Airlines and Malaysia Airlines. It is not yet known what changes the abovementioned Airlines will implement to accommodate the runway closure

* Malaysia Airlines recently operated a number of 747-400 and A330-300 charters through Rockhampton Airport. Let the pictures do the talking!

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On 1 November Adelaide Airport welcomed its inaugural Emirates service (surprised no one has raised this prior!), with 777-300ER A6-EGI touching down at Adelaide Airport at 2105L as EK440.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:41 pm

http://www.seeperthairporttransform.com.au/

This is a fantastic site about the new Perth Airport redevelopment finally happening. Exciting times ahead for us here in WA!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:44 pm

Tralee housing development in NSW but under Canberra airport's flight path will impact operations and mean a curfew. SMH

I despair of this state.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 1):
Malaysia Airlines recently operated a number of 747-400 and A330-300 charters through Rockhampton Airport. Let the pictures do the talking!

Before anyone asks - they were military charters from Singapore.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:47 am

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 2):

Still doesn't resolve PER bigger issue... Runway capacity!

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:51 am

Also, does anybody know how long this "fast-tracked" A380 gate at PER is going to take? "Within the next 12 months" has been said for about 4 months already. I assume we'll see EK in with a 380 pretty much as soon as it's ready.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:25 am

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 5):
Also, does anybody know how long this "fast-tracked" A380 gate at PER is going to take? "Within the next 12 months" has been said for about 4 months already. I assume we'll see EK in with a 380 pretty much as soon as it's ready.

From what I understand the gate that is being upgraded has been closed and the tarmac outside has been ripped up. I wouldn't be surprised if it's completed along with Terminal WA.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:43 am

Air China upgrading one of their SYD flights to B77W starting next month.

http://airlineroute.net/2012/11/05/ca-syd-dec12/
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:47 am

Quoting BAeRJ100 (Reply 6):
From what I understand the gate that is being upgraded has been closed and the tarmac outside has been ripped up. I wouldn't be surprised if it's completed along with Terminal WA.

nearmaps has recent photos (october 17), where you can see the start of the tarmac stripping.

I'd think the A380 gate will be built with the initial works of the Virgin Pier (but first thing finished and ready to be used).

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:48 am

From thread #64:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 196):
Was there any announcement, all that is noted in the news is the plan to start paying dividends ASAP - Stating the obvious no?

Not obvious at all that they would be paying dividends in the current environment. This article suggests the exact opposite:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/trav...-reducing-debt-20121106-28vxa.html
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:12 am

Any idea what QF's A333 VH-QPI was doing in Muan, South Korea on the 8th of Oct...?


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I'm guessing 1 of 2 things... Diversion... OR... Charter...?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:35 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 10):
Charter

Yes. She operated HKG-NGO-MWX-HKG (I'm not sure who for though).
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:21 am

THE O'Farrell government's plans for Canberra to host Sydney's second airport are in tatters, following the approval of a big housing development in the Canberra Airport flight path, the federal government says.

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/second-...rt-plan-dashed-20121105-28ucu.html

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...olding-pattern-20121109-2933w.html

Looks like its back to the drawing board even though I doubt it was going to happen... Wish this stupid government would make a decision and stick to it!

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:42 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
even though I doubt it was going to happen.

Agree with you entirely. A thought from left field "Well, if I cant have my airfield plan, then I shall get my housing development plan up and running, no sower grapes, just political pragmatism"
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:25 am

Another Volga Dnepr AN 124F just landed at BNE.The 4th flight in the past 5 weeks.

Garuda looking at resuming BNE in 2013

This was in the Jakarta Post on the weekend

Garuda to receive 24 new aircraft next year
Nurfika Osman, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Business | Sat, November 10 2012,
11:31 AM
National flag carrier Garuda Indonesia says it will take delivery of 24 new
aircraft at a cost of US$1.57 billion next year to support expansion of its
domestic and international flight service.

President director Emirsyah Satar said in Jakarta on Friday that the
aircraft comprise four Boeing B777-300 Extended Range (ER) aircraft, 10
B737-800 Next Generation (NG) aircraft, two Airbus A330-320s, one A330-300s
and seven Bombardier CRJ1000 NextGen aircraft.

"They will be used to help expand both our domestic and international
networks. As for the B777s, they will replace our aging B747 series,"
Emirsyah said on the sidelines of the Garuda Indonesia Travel Fair 2012 in
Jakarta on Friday.

The B747s that Emirsyah referred to are currently used for the airline's
long-haul routes, such as Jakarta-Amsterdam and Jakarta-Jeddah.

Emirsyah said that Garuda planned to expand its international service to
include service from Jakarta to London in the UK; Brisbane, Australia; and
Auckland, New Zealand; next year. "We expect to open the new international
routes by the end of 2013."

Marketing director Elisa Lumbantoruan said that the airline would fly each
of the routes four times a week by the third quarter of 2013.

"In the future, as we will have more aircraft, we will increase the service
from four times to seven times a week," he said.

Garuda currently operates 96 aircraft with an average age of 6.23 years. The
airline flies to more than 50 destinations domestically and internationally.

Under the airline's Quantum Leap program, it plans to increase its fleet
numbers to 194 aircraft with an average age of 5 years by the end of 2015.

Emirsyah also said that Garuda's low-cost carrier, Citilink Indonesia, would
receive 10 new A320s next year that are worth about $900 million.

The budget airline is expected to field a fleet of about 100 aircraft,
including 50 turboprop aircraft, by the end of 2015.

"We are going to announce whether we will use ATR-72s or Bombardier Q400s
planes by the end of this year. We are still studying both aircraft,"
Emirsyah said.

The turboprop aircraft would be based in eastern Indonesia, as feeder planes
for routes served by Citilink's and Garuda's Bombardiers.

Last month, Garuda officially put into operation a Canadian-made Bombardier
aircraft at its regional hub in Makassar, South Sulawesi to help strengthen
service on its domestic routes.

Four out of the 18 jets that Garuda is expected to take delivery of will
serve routes connecting Makassar and Ternate, North Maluku; Kendari,
Southeast Sulawesi; Mataram, West Nusa Tenggara; and Surabaya, East Java.

The fifth Bombardier, which the airline expects to take delivery of in
December, would enter service from Garuda's hub in Surabaya and connect the
city to one of the world's most popular tourist destinations: Denpasar,
Bali.

According to Garuda recent reports, the airline's total revenues grew 14.4
percent to $2.39 billion in the first nine months of 2012, while net profits
climbed 51.9 percent to $56.48 million.

Its passenger numbers also rose 20.2 percent to 14.89 million, while its
cargo volume surged 18.7 percent to 201,070 tons.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:02 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 10):

I believe it did a charter in the lead up to the F1 Grand Prix in South Korea.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:05 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 14):

It's great to heat that Garuda are considering BNE. I've often though that (along with PVG and PEK) that CGK was the biggest hole in our longhaul network.

From what I've heard, they are now a very good carrier. It's great to see that they are performing well financially as well.


Just to cross-thread... MEL and BNE were suggested in the UA speculation thread as possible 787 destinations. I can definitely see MEL occurring at some point. It isn't going to happen right now, but longterm I think that it would be a good move. The traffic to support this route must surely be there. The 787 would also be a good product upgrade from the 747s across all cabins, but especially Y.

Re BNE, I am - unfortunately - less convinced. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see UA in BNE, not least for entirely selfish reasons as my mum is a BNE-based 1K. The current drag through SYD is a pain in the ass, it is fine for QF-QF connections, but when you have to collect your luggage and pay for the train it is far from optimal. I can't, however, see it working without an Australian partner. I believe that the market from the USA to Brisbane/SEQld is relatively small and UA has next to no brand penetration in this market so they're unlikely to pick up to much BNE-originating traffic. Without an Australian partner to market them here and provide feed from CNS etc I can't see it happening. I'd love to be proven wrong, though!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:41 am

QF has posted on Facebook that the last A332 on order will be in Australia by the end of November... She has been painted with the OW livery (which I'm not a fan of...) but this is good news  

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Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 16):

I think the best thing that they could do initially is fly to MEL through BNE. The routing would probably end up being faster than the existing SYD stop overall, and the existing MEL market can help support BNE while they build the brand.

The problem then is that SYD loses MEL's traffic, which could be an issue in the low season. What they really need is the A350 (or even the 789), but that's still a few years away for UA. Perhaps the solution then for SYD would be a 747 from LAX and a 787 from SFO (given that it's the more premium market). Overall that would given them a bump in capacity overall to Australia, but it's not ideal.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:35 am

UA have 2 flights daly going into SYD, 1 from LAX and 1 from SFO which 1 of those flights is a tag on to MEL (not sure if its the SFO or LAX flight) I wounder why cant UA send the other flight of to BNE, and then on to the US or fly it back to SYD like they do with the MEL tag on, that way UA serves BNE and one of those 744s are not sitting on the tarmac for most of the day, correct me if I am wrong but dont both those flights get into SYD early in the morning and dont leave until mid afternoon? Does UA have rights to fly into BNE with their own metal if they wanted to?
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:47 am

Seems like more job loses at QF maintenence, Avalon and Sydney agian and looks like Brisbane is jumping way ahead of Sydney and Melbourne as far as maintaining aircraft, if Brisbane is doing maintenance on the 763s and A330 200/300 where do the 737/717/Q400s go for maintenance now that Melbourne has shut or shuting down? I know SYD still maintains some 747s as do Avalon but dont know for how much longer. Could it be another fight between unions and management brewing again ?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:00 am

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 19):

The 717 maintenance is outsourced already, IIRC; QantasLink recently upgraded the Tamworth base to service the Q400 fleet.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:09 am

Thanks Skyhawk for that information
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:14 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 17):
QF has posted on Facebook that the last A332 on order will be in Australia by the end of November... She has been painted with the OW livery (which I'm not a fan of...) but this is good news

I Wonder how long this one will last in the OW livery.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:30 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 14):

Let's not forget GA have tied up with EY rerouting the CGK-DXB-AMS service via AUH...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:31 pm

Just out of curiosity, could we see KE or OZ expand more down under? Seoul is a booming market - perhaps a thrice weekly ICN-PER could eventually be on the cards.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:23 pm

KE are pulling MEL apparently according to another board.

BNE will be 6 a week from next week.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:27 pm

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 18):
UA have 2 flights daly going into SYD, 1 from LAX and 1 from SFO which 1 of those flights is a tag on to MEL (not sure if its the SFO or LAX flight) I wounder why cant UA send the other flight of to BNE

It is normally the aircraft from LAX that does the SYD-MEL-SYD tag, according to the cabin crew when I flew that flight two weeks ago. I don't know if that aircraft then flies back on SYD- LAX or SYD - SFO (I believe SFO is UA's west coast maintenance base).
As for BNE, while a SYD-BNE-SYD tag could be fitted into the schedule I doubt it would be cost effective. IMHO MEL only works as it is because a) UA's corporate contracts; b) rock bottom fares & c) it is not seen as a backtrack. I doubt a) is as big to BNE, b) makes it less than attractive and c) it certainly is a backtrack.
While one aircraft does sit at SYD, its only 7-8 hours, not like the 14+ some QF aircraft sit at LAX. Both aircraft arrive SYD about 7:00 am and leave between 2:00 & 3:00 pm.
A LAX-BNE-MEL route might work, but then MEL loses the connection to SFO. Maybe when UA have more B787s something like SFO-BNE-MEL & LAX-MEL might work with B787s while LAX-SYD stays B744 until the A359s arrive.


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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:17 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 17):


Wasn't Kangaroo Island previously a 747?

Quoting qf002 (Reply 17):
Perhaps the solution then for SYD would be a 747 from LAX and a 787 from SFO

If that were to happen it would probably be the other way around, with no competition to SFO and their West Coast fortress there.

A more likely scenario IMHO would be 2 777s. For a start I do occasionally monitor UA's loads out of Australia and they do surprisingly well up front, even F gets decent loads. Since the 787s are 2 class I don't think that they are necessarily the right aircraft for the route.

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 18):
1 from LAX and 1 from SFO which 1 of those flights is a tag on to MEL (not sure if its the SFO or LAX flight)

UA839/840 is LAX-SYD-MEL, but the aircraft is usually the SFO one. This changes when they rotate a 747 out of LAX: as SYD is UA's only 747 flight out of LAX they do something like SFO-SYD-LAX-SYD.....SYD-LAX-SYD-MEL-SYD-SFO.

How often the frame in-bound from LAX does the MEL turn is simply dependent on how often they rotate that aircraft.

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 18):
correct me if I am wrong but dont both those flights get into SYD early in the morning and dont leave until mid afternoon?

They are synchronised specifically that way so that MEL is fed from both LAX and SFO.

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 18):
Does UA have rights to fly into BNE with their own metal if they wanted to?

It's open skies so I don't see why not. Obviously they couldn't carry local traffic, but they shouldn't have any problems getting a tag-on.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 26):
UA's corporate contracts

I think this a good point. As I said I do keep an eye on how they're doing, and F and J loads into MEL aren't that bad. Also, MEL is one of the few stations outside the USA to have a United Club. The fact that it's lasted this long (especially post merger) would suggest that there is a decent flow of high value customers. Almost every other international station (including SYD) is outsourced to a third party lounge.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:53 pm

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 18):

United used to fly daily to BNE .LAX-SYD-BNE-SYD-LAX.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:01 am

I don't see why UA should fly LAX-BNE. There's already two airlines on the route and the market isn't that large. SFO-BNE could possibly work but you wouldn't want to send anything bigger than a 788 at first. I'd be a bit nervous about it suggesting it inside UA though.

I think a more likely scenario is SFO-MEL with a 787 and losing the SYD-MEL-SYD tag. That's more or less what they have done in the high season isn't it? Perhaps MEL-LAX direct, but perhaps not.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:14 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 27):

UA839/840 is LAX-SYD-MEL, but the aircraft is usually the SFO one.

That is not what the cabin crew said on UA839 arriving SYD on 22/10/12. He said it was usually the LAX aircraft unless it was being swapped for maintenance, but he didn't say how that was done.

Who's right & wrong, I have NO idea.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:39 am

I just got an e mail from Qantas showing a change for 581 in January 11th from a 744 to a 763. A quick look through the schedule shows that its 767 daily from about 2nd december 2012.

Is VH-OJD finally being put out to pasture.

And surely that is going to play into Virgins hands with huge reduction in J (Skybed) and pretty average product and capacity with the 763.

You would think with yet another steak knife arriving (VH-EBV) they could 332 it daily....

who knows.......
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:39 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 30):

I've just checked the four dates that are publicly available right now, Nov 11-14

On Sunday Nov 11 MEL was operated by the SFO aircraft

On the other three dates (12, 13, 14) the flight is operated by an aircraft going LAX-SYD-MEL-SYD-SFO, effectively moving the frame out of LAX.


The reality is that UA840 arrives from MEL at 2:20, and departs to LAX at 3:20, which leaves on a 60 minute turn. UA870, however, doesn't leave until 4:20 - a 2 hour turn. The frame operating from MEL to SYD is almost always therefore the one that goes onto to SFO.

What changes is whether it is the frame inbound from LAX that operates the MEL turn or not. I have seen weeks and weeks go past when they've had 2 747s simply going back and forth LAX-SYD-LAX, and other times when they seem to rotate a new aircraft through LAX everyday (i.e. SFO-SYD-LAX-SYD-MEL-SYD-SFO)
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:20 am

Can't seem to find it anywhere recently - is the new arrival of the QF A332 signalling the end of the 744 on SYD-PER?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:05 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 33):
Can't seem to find it anywhere recently - is the new arrival of the QF A332 signalling the end of the 744 on SYD-PER?

There was a thread on this, the 747 comes back next year.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:35 am

JetGo's 2nd ERJ 135 due into BNE tomorrow on delivery.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:17 am

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 34):

I believe the B744 is to be utilized on the QF21 SYD-NRT route... There are only 2 Kangaroo aircraft remaining and heading to the desert soon...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:24 am

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 24):
Just out of curiosity, could we see KE or OZ expand more down under? Seoul is a booming market - perhaps a thrice weekly ICN-PER could eventually be on the cards.

Can't see that one working.

The factors in play are:

- There would be minimal VFR travel from PER to Korea
- The Australian outbound tourism market to Korea is no exactly huge in itself
- There is a declining inbound tourism trend occurring for inbound travel from Korea into Australia from the last stats I saw
- The route is not seen as competitive as a transit point to Europe from Australia. Might try to get a slice of the USA-PER market, but that would be a hard one to make work too.
- Remember that transit pax are usually lower yielding too, so I struggle to see how they would make it work even in WA's boom times.
- With the flood of capacity PER seems to be getting, Its not one that makes sense as a viable option at this rate IMHO.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 25):
KE are pulling MEL apparently according to another board.

It appears that the 4th March, 2013 was listed as the date it would cease on that other board. No confirmation of that yet though.

Certainly is not a big shock though.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:22 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 27):
Wasn't Kangaroo Island previously a 747?

Yes, VH-OED apparently.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 27):
If that were to happen it would probably be the other way around, with no competition to SFO and their West Coast fortress there.

My thinking is that UA seems to carry a lot of lower yielding Y traffic to LAX, whereas SFO as a destination would probably be targeted at a higher end passenger, and some connecting traffic. I did think about the loss of F to SFO, but I'm really not familiar with UA on this route...

I don't think we're likely to see UA change their strategy here for a few years though. Things will change with the A350.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:05 am

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 31):
I just got an e mail from Qantas showing a change for 581 in January 11th from a 744 to a 763. A quick look through the schedule shows that its 767 daily from about 2nd december 2012.

Are the new refurbished 767's being deployed on the SYD-PER route first? I have an upcoming flight on a 767 to PER, and would be keen to see the new product and test out the new IFE (ipads).
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:34 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 28):
United used to fly daily to BNE .LAX-SYD-BNE-SYD-LAX.

I dont dout you eaglefarm cause you are probley right,   when did UA serve BNE I thought the only 2 cities they serve is SYD and MEL what years did they fly to BNE?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:38 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 26):
It is normally the aircraft from LAX that does the SYD-MEL-SYD tag,

Thanks gemuser for that information very interesting about their MEL tag ons. Its a shame the direct MEL LAX service didnt work out for them I belive it was because the MEL LAX flight realy streached their 744s to the max. Unlike QF they didnt have the 744ER in their fleet.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:42 am

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 40):
I dont dout you eaglefarm cause you are probley right, when did UA serve BNE I thought the only 2 cities they serve is SYD and MEL what years did they fly to BNE?

I am also curious about that. I remember seeing a UA 747 in the battleship sceme in the 90s sometime from memory, but can't remember more than that.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:51 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 25):
KE are pulling MEL apparently according to another board.

BNE will be 6 a week from next week.

Dam !   be a shame to loose KE from MEL. How come a flight will work from one city and not from another ?
Like take for example lets say MEL to HNL ( I dont know if that is a good example or not) How does a flight from SYD to HNL work for QF or JQ but it does not work from MEL or in this case KE going to drop MEL but increasing BNE whats the difference between BNE and MEL both big citys and commerical centres and plenty for tourists see and I am sure plenty from MEL would like to see Korea to. So how does it work from one city and not the other?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:04 pm

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 39):
Are the new refurbished 767's being deployed on the SYD-PER route first? I have an upcoming flight on a 767 to PER, and would be keen to see the new product and test out the new IFE (ipads).

Yes, only 1 of a total 16 B763 to be refurbished has been operating SYD-PER-SYD... Only VH-OGQ has been refurbished so far...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:14 pm

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 43):
So how does it work from one city and not the other?

In this case, it is about the inbound market. Lots of Koreans going to Queensland, but comparatively very few travelling to MEL. Same reason that there are so many flights between Queensland and Japan, but none to MEL.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:06 pm

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 40):

UA flew to BNE around 1992 for several years.Initially Mon,Thur,Sat and then daily.It was a add on to the LAX-SYD service.

CO also operated a daily flight as well from 1989.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:35 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 45):
Same reason that there are so many flights between Queensland and Japan, but none to MEL.

I've been wondering if JQ will try making ICN-CNS or ICN-OOL work once the 787's arrive. It seems a logical extension of the network and by that stage Jetstar Japan should be in Korea with A320's to support brand recognition and build a base of flyers.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:05 pm

Quoting sydscott (Reply 47):
I've been wondering if JQ will try making ICN-CNS or ICN-OOL work once the 787's arrive.

Initially I think it's more likely to do something like ICN-NRT/KIX-CNS/OOL utilising Jetstar Japan and a similar strategy for many SE Asian destinations from Australia via Singapore. Maybe they'd even fly direct from Singapore. My understanding is that Korea and Taiwan are the in thing in Asia right now (the power of soapies and pop music!) and intra-Asian traffic would probably be higher than traffic to and from Australia.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:13 am

despite impending loss of KE, growth in international still occurring

http://www.routes-news.com/news/item...drives-growth-at-melbourne-airport

interesting stat from that article: just shy of 900k people use another port for an international connection, of which 600k is at SYD.

165k people who are bound for the US are going via another port - that's roughly an equivalent 1x daily A380 load going to the US via AKL/BNE/SYD. Hello DL & 77Ls, where art thou?

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