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Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:41 am

With United's flexibility (although I don't know the extent of their ability to send the right ac to match demand) what are their best new options given their already comprehensive network? Will we be seeing more long thin routes to Asia with their upcoming 787 fleet? Are there holes in Europe, Africa, Middle East and deep South America? Which routes will help them compete with either Delta or even Star Alliance partners? I often use their 757's to secondary cities in Europe. Or 3 class 767's out of EWR (like Zurich)

I saw the thread about Cape Verde and wondered with their capital to capital leadership if Brasilia would be high on the list. Or to better compete better with AA and Delta from EWR. I also "could" see more paid First on 3 class birds from NY to big premium and ULH destinations- example: Wall St to HK, FRA, BOM or GRU.

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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:46 am

The 787 may also provide the opportunity to add frequency to existing routes.
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:05 am

Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):

Look for more International from SFO
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:06 am

I'd like to see some New Zealand service. Considering that NZ has a monopoly (why?!) on those routes to the U.S; I'm not holding my breath.
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:29 am

I think Africa is the biggest hole in the UA route map. Maybe they can think about Capetown or Johannesburg
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:33 am

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 4):
I think Africa is the biggest hole in the UA route map. Maybe they can think about Capetown or Johannesburg

I think there's some North or West African cities UA could look into. Does anyone know how IAH-LOS is now doing?
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:46 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 3):
I'd like to see some New Zealand service. Considering that NZ has a monopoly (why?!) on those routes to the U.S; I'm not holding my breath.

Yeah, this route is well covered by partner NZ. I'd look for more markets that are not already connected.
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:06 am

Long-term I would like to see them de-link MEL. I think that a 787 LAX-MEL would be doable for them, but I certainly am not holding my breath. If that happens at all, it is certainly a long way off.


More realistically, I think we will see greater "optimization" of the current network before organic growth. I simply do not believe that ORD can support F on every route while EWR can only support it on a handful. Once the joint pilot contract comes into force I could see some more sUA heavies going to EWR and IAH and sCO metal moving to ORD and IAD. Routes such as LHR, FRA, ZRH and HKG can probably support F from all of the hubs, while secondary European cities are possibly better served by sCO frames with J only. Eventually I think we will see more of a 50-50 split of the long haul fleet systemwide, rather than all the 2 class frames in sCO hubs and all the 3 class frames in sUA hubs.

With regards to new routes, I think that LatAm should be the focus going forward. The region is growing rapidly, with significant inflows of investment from North America and a newly-mobile middle class driving demand. More secondary cities in Brazil are probably the best place to start.
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:07 am

I would like to see UA do a nonstop SFO-SIN service with their 787's. While EWR-SIN might be a better bet, the 787-8 lacks the range needed to operate the route. Besides, UA seem to prefer expanding their Asian operations out of SFO.

With SIA pulling the plug on the EWR and LAX nonstops due to the A340-500's poor economics, UA has an opportunity to woo the bankers and corporate clients who are now looking at one stop options. UA would have no problems filling up a premium cabin to SIN, especially since J is configured with just 36 seats. After all, the 787 was designed to give airlines a chance fly long, thin routes profitably.
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:38 am

Restarting PDX-NRT, SEA/PDX-HNL.
Starting NRT-CGK/KUL.
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:45 am

SFO-MNL would be a no brainer..PR has to fuel stop in GUM UA really needs to step it up agianst DL in the MNL market..
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:50 am

I know it won't happen until we get a new terminal building constructed, but I'm holding out for at least an announcement for DEN-MHK and/or ORD-FOE on UAX.

MHK proved everybody wrong with its Eagle service.

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 4):

I think Africa is the biggest hole in the UA route map. Maybe they can think about Capetown or Johannesburg
AA to announce MIA-JNB 77W next year? Lots of speculation, but where would UA do S. Africa from? IAD?? They already have South African!

Quoting as739x (Reply 2):
Look for more International from SFO

What's next for UA @ SFO to Asia? TPE was a good add.

[Edited 2012-11-10 22:52:00]
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:02 am

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 11):
What's next for UA @ SFO to Asia? TPE was a good add.

Maybe finally starting the Canton route.
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:52 pm

in addition to further expansion of SFO as stated before. ORD will receive a variety of new service.

752 service to SNN, and the POSSIBILITY of upgrades to 777 to Europe.

Further UA/CO integration will occur. Such as NRT-SIN on CO 777 due in March if I recall.

Right now on the CO side, we've taken over a lot of predominently UA ops in compared to recent months. They have as well of our operations. Such as IAH-ORD on the 763 which comes in from IAH.

So for some the integration looks like a nightmare, but it has a purpose and an ultimate objective. And I am excited for it!
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:53 pm

Perhaps restarting RDU-DEN and adding a second RDU-SFO?
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:25 pm

Quoting ManekS (Reply 8):
I would like to see UA do a nonstop SFO-SIN service with their 787's.

If UA was to step into nonstop SIN territory, LAX or EWR seem ideal ahead of SFO. Would the economics of the 788 or possible 789 route work in UA's favor.

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 9):
Restarting PDX-NRT, SEA/PDX-HNL

UA would have competition on all 3 routes. UA would compete against DL on PDX-NRT and to HNL they would be competing with AS, DL, and HA.

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 9):
Starting NRT-CGK/KUL

This might work with GUM based 738s.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 7):
Eventually I think we will see more of a 50-50 split of the long haul fleet systemwide, rather than all the 2 class frames in sCO hubs and all the 3 class frames in sUA hubs.

I don't see UA expanding Global First to CLE, DEN, or IAH to do a 50/50 split. While a.net perceived IAH-GIG/LHR/NRT flights could offer F, UA planners haven't been in a rush to send a 3-class plane to those cities as they did EWR-BRU/ZRH. They did upgauge IAH-GIG to a sCO 772, added a 3rd LHR flight on a 2-class sUA 763, and have downgauged the EWR-BRU flight to a sCO 764. Yet, the lone 3-class 772 that does visit IAH is the IAH-HNL flight.

Quoting COSPN (Reply 10):
SFO-MNL would be a no brainer..PR has to fuel stop in GUM UA really needs to step it up agianst DL in the MNL market.

Would the Philippine government allow UA to start a LAX/SFO-MNL nonstop flight with the 788 if PR and 5J are not allowed to start new US services because of Cat II? The government could use UA as a ploy in the help to achieve Cat I status.
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:25 pm

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 9):
Starting NRT-CGK/KUL.

And/or adding CGK or KUL as a tag to SFO-TPE. A long time ago UA flew SFO-TPE-BKK. Perhaps a SFO-TPE-KUL or SFO-TPE-CGK flight could help maintain the SFO-TPE flight on a more permanent basis by keeping the loads up?
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:35 pm

I would say that RDU-SFO is very likely, although RDU-SJC may be more popular with tech firms. How about LAX-GRU/EZE or SFO-GRU/EZE? The West Coast remains poorly served to South America to this day, but I know how challenging it would be to fill planes with enough revenue for those markets. Would LAX-GRU be more feasible for UA than for DL with its West Coast network?
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:59 pm

CMN is crying for a competitor the monopoly and high prices from AT
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:21 pm

While there may be a few new domestic routes started, its likely UA's new routes for a while will be on the international front. Though China's economy has cooled somewhat, I expect they will add service to some secondary China markets before long. As for Africa, though South Africa has the largest economy but its unlikely that route will make much $$ for UA given the existing competition unless its was a 788/89 route.

South America - UA can and should increase service from EWR and IAH to South America to take on AA, LAN and DL. There isn't as large of a west coast market but service from either LAX or SFO to Brazil wouldn't be a bad idea.

Given STAR, don't expect new service to AUK anytime soon.
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:22 pm

Quoting ManekS (Reply 8):
With SIA pulling the plug on the EWR and LAX nonstops due to the A340-500's poor economics, UA has an opportunity to woo the bankers and corporate clients who are now looking at one stop options. UA would have no problems filling up a premium cabin to SIN, especially since J is configured with just 36 seats.

SQ still offers the 1-stop option to LAX and JFK.
Cannot say about NY, but people who flew nonstop from LAX will switch over to the SQ 1-stop instead of UA. SQ flies the A380 on the route that offers a much better hard and soft product compared to UA.
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:26 pm

I suspect we will see a good bit of weekend stuff out of IAD with 73s....Like IAD-Caribbean/Central America
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 3):
Considering that NZ has a monopoly (why?!) on those routes to the U.S

How much service does a country with a population about the same as metro PHX need? If it was considered a profitable market by other carriers, I'm sure they would be operating. The fact that they aren't seems to indicate they have more profitable ways to use their aircraft.
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:31 pm

A few thoughts:
Wow, I didn't know that IAH to GIG went to an sCO 777. That is a lot of capacity! I have always prayed for the old SA)">CO route (EWR/GIG) to come back as I live in both cities. With TAM going away, a 2 class 767 (or 787) would be perfect to fly it. I think GRU needs GF, almost every international airline into GRU has an F cabin, even TAM. GRU is a behemouth "MAJOR" business and even a luxury destination (great shopping and hotels) - and always at least 10+ hours. Brazil's 2013 growth I believe is projected at about 4.5%. As for LAX to GRU, I did the VARIG flight once. For United to connect GRU to SFO then onto Asia (or west coast USA) I wonder why it doesn't work- especially with the size of Brazilians of Japanese roots. The largest pop of Japanese outside Japan.

Why did United pull Moscow? Does anyone know why? A great capital to capital route. From a BRICS standpoint, that is a painful loss.

Last, sure it is great to have a Star partner cover a destination like South African, or New Zealand. But if you book a United flight from JFK to JNB but it's operated by SA, how much of that ticket price goes to UA? Also, for those who are eagerly seeking Global Services status...you MUST be on United metal.
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:33 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw DSM/OMA-IAD...
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:37 pm

Quoting legacyins (Reply 12):
Maybe finally starting the Canton route.

That what were hoping. UA is running into one problem thought, International gate capacity during the morning peak. I'm curious if we may see a shift to a few late night flights leaving with CX,CI and BR. And I believe that timing would work with CAN as well as MEL or MNL as someone wanted above.

Quoting COSPN (Reply 10):
SFO-MNL would be a no brainer..PR has to fuel stop in GUM UA really needs to step it up agianst DL in the MNL market..

I don't see this happening. To much VFR traffic with awful yields and the 787 is 36/183 configuration. That a lot of biz class seats that likely will go empty.

Personally I don't think we will see a lot of 787 flying from SFO. As we can see from next summers schedule the 747's will be mainly flying from here. They are adding additional seats to SFO

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 9):
Restarting PDX-NRT, SEA/PDX-HNL.

Not a chance. Why??
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:14 pm

What ever happened to CAN?
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:31 pm

Perhaps EWR-VIE would be an option.
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:51 pm

I hope to see more Africa and Brazil. Can 757s do IAH to Fortaleza, Recfife, or Manaus? Would also love to see IAH-Johannesburg. I can see IAD and/or EWR to CPT, Johannesburg, Sal, Casablanca, and the stretch, Nairobi.
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:59 pm

EWR-PRG? Didn't DL dump their flight from JFK? 3rd daily to TLV or split their 2 now -one 777 one 747. 3rd daily to India. Newark-S.Africa?
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:00 pm

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 15):
UA planners haven't been in a rush to send a 3-class plane to those cities as they did EWR-BRU/ZRH.

I think this has more to do with operations efficiency and the fact that the status quo works, rather than because it is the most optimal strategy.

I am in no way saying that every route out of EWR needs F, indeed quite the opposite. Similarly I am not advocating moving sCO metal onto every flight out of ORD. Rather after a joint contract, when they can move metal around easier, I think we will see more fleet cross-overs.
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:02 pm

There must be room for UA on ORD-MAN!?

The AA service, by all accounts, has a fantastic yield.

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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:12 pm

Quoting ManekS (Reply 8):
I would like to see UA do a nonstop SFO-SIN service with their 787's.

I don't believe the 787 has the range to fly this route (or SIN-LAX or EWR).
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:15 pm

I think UA could re-launch LAX-GUA and add more EWR-GUA frequencies. They recently announced IAD-SAL which foreshadows where they are pointing at in my opinion. UA should take advantage of TA and CM who dominate Central America. Colombia should be interesting as well since they have AV/TA and Copa Colombia which are both members of *A too.

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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:20 pm

Quoting VC10er (Reply 23):
Last, sure it is great to have a Star partner cover a destination like ... New Zealand

There already is, called "Air New Zealand"!   - a member of Star Alliance.
UA even code share with them already.

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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:27 pm

Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
and wondered with their capital to capital leadership if Brasilia would be high on the list.

That route does really deserve a better regard.
Transbrasil used to operate BSB-IAD, a route that currently has a regular o/d traffic which other UA's routes between IAD and Brazil does not have. Besides that, DL's ATL-BSB does not have an o/d traffic as significant.
Therefore, it is time for UA operates its 752 on that capital to capital route and take advantage of that pair of hubs.
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:32 pm

I would not be surprised

DEN-LHR 788
LAX-MEL 788
LAX-AKL 788
ORD-MAN 752
IAH-SCL 767
SFO-TLV 777
SFO-BLR 788
BOS-LHR 752
BOS-BRU 752
CLE-FRA 752
NRT-KUL 777
NRT-CAN 738

Going out on a limb, perhaps some point to point to FRA ala DL to CDG

BDL-FRA
PIT-FRA

or maybe something crazy off the wall like

HNL-PER
IAD-CPT
EWR-JNB
IAH-BRU

Either way, it will defiantly be interesting!

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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:40 pm

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 36):
CLE-FRA 752

4,141mi may be a bit too far for a 757. I believe EWR-TXL is the longest TATL 757 route that has been flown by UA, and it is 3,980mi. CLE-CDG, also flown by CO with a 757, was 3,937mi.
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:54 pm

Quoting neveragain (Reply 37):
4,141mi may be a bit too far for a 757. I believe EWR-TXL is the longest TATL 757 route that has been flown by UA, and it is 3,980mi. CLE-CDG, also flown by CO with a 757, was 3,937mi.

Would the E+ configuration installed on the 752's make this work due to lighter weight? Or perhaps w/a few person penalty. I bet there is enough traffic to support it w/LH on the other end and only 16 BF seats. However, not sure UA is that interested in CLE.

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 36):
IAH-SCL 767
Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 36):
DEN-LHR 788

I would have thought we'd have seen both of these already.

Perhaps we need some TATL recovery first = 2014
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Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 36):
BOS-LHR 752

They passed on this and gave it to DL.

SFO>CAN has to happen sometime....seems like a route designed for the 788.
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:13 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 28):
I hope to see more Africa and Brazil. Can 757s do IAH to Fortaleza, Recfife, or Manaus? Would also love to see IAH-Johannesburg. I can see IAD and/or EWR to CPT, Johannesburg, Sal, Casablanca, and the stretch, Nairobi.

B757 doesn't have the range for IAH-FOR/REC.
Interesting would be for UA to fly to South Africa via Brazil as PanAm once did. Make it EWR-REC-JNB daily and IAH-REC-CPT thrice per week.
Loads on IAH/EWR-GIG/GRU are too good to add tag-on to CPT and/or JNB, even if possible by U.S.-Brazil/South Africa bilaterals.

Quoting avi8 (Reply 33):
I think UA could re-launch LAX-GUA and add more EWR-GUA frequencies.

As long as AV (then TA) is flying California-Central America, I can't see UA trying LAX/SFO-Central America, unless it's a SFO-PTY (because CM B737-700 may have a tough time flying PTY-SFO non-stop).
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:28 am

Quoting neveragain (Reply 32):
I don't believe the 787 has the range to fly this route (or SIN-LAX or EWR).

The 787 has a listed range of 7650 - 8200 nm depending on seating config. According to Great Circle, here is the distances for the three routes:

SFO-SIN: 7340 nm
LAX-SIN: 7620 nm
EWR-SIN: 8285 nm

It seems like SFO-SIN would definitely be doable, and perhaps LAX-SIN as well depending on the range of a UA-configured 787.
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:43 am

Quoting capri (Reply 18):
CMN is crying for a competitor the monopoly and high prices from AT

   Issue is that UA will see little to no F/J traffic and pass, even though it's a short-sighted view imho

My personal international top 10 list (no particular order):
EWR-GIG
EWR-ICN
EWR-VIE
IAD-DOH (nonstop, none of this tag nonsense)
IAD-RUH
IAH-SCL
LAX-MEL
LAX-HKG
SFO-NGO (788)
SFO-PTY
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:08 am

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 36):
SFO-TLV 777
SFO-BLR 788

At 7,560 nm the 787 might be able to push BLR. If it could that would be an awesome route! I could see it working very well, both in terms of J demand and cargo uplift (so long as the route isn't weight restricted). Bear in mind that since the route is almost directly due north-over the pole-due south, there should be less impact from prevailing winds as an east-west route.

As for SFO-TLV, I don't know how big the Jewish population is on the west coast, but it sounds like a good option if there is the demand to support it.

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 36):
BOS-LHR 752
BOS-BRU 752

Hmm, I guess this depends on whether UA is interested in making a go of BOS. I would suggest that it is highly unlikely. After all, BOS-LHR would be up against 5 daily with BA/AA.

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 36):
CLE-FRA 752

If UA decide to keep CLE then this would be a great flight (maybe LHR as well - I know that CO flew to LGW and cut the flight, but...)

The problem is, as mentioned above, the 752 might not have the legs. If they keep CLE it might be good to add a couple of long-haul flights to feed the hub in order to keep it viable. After all, I can imagine there are a fair few people who would be quite happy to avoid EWR or ORD when heading to Europe!
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:21 am

Not much talk of United Express routes, so here's one that I see very soon: FWA-IAD.

And for very good reason, moreso than FWA-DEN or FWA-EWR:
-Very strong O&D between the two areas (even stronger than FWA-NYC), with most of the traffic going to IAD and not DCA/BWI
-Surveys have recently been done by the Greater Fort Wayne Chamber of Commerce regarding local business usage of FWA-IAD
-Would fill in a huge gap in the Northeast from FWA (which is already well covered out west and south with ORD/ATL/DFW/MSP, but only DTW to the east)
-Would open up additional European and Middle Eastern connectivity from FWA (both UA and Star partners)
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:32 am

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 38):
Would the E+ configuration installed on the 752's make this work due to lighter weight?

Not my area of expertise, but someone here should know.

Quoting AA94 (Reply 40):
The 787 has a listed range of 7650 - 8200 nm depending on seating config. According to Great Circle, here is the distances for the three routes:

And someone should know a definitive answer to this as well. I believe SIN-LAX was the longest route in the world measured by flying time (longer than EWR). Can the 787 carry enough fuel to stay in the air for 16-17 hours with a full passenger load?
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:56 am

Let's take a look at available international widebodies.
-5 762s (going away)
+4 788 (2012 aircraft)
+8 763ER (right now 3 in mod, 3 in domestic config and 2 intl aircraft in MX) - many of the former routes are being flown with 753s
-3 772 (guessing that 3 772A will become Hawaiian aircraft)
+4 764 (slated for 2 class lie-flat in 2012) - swap with 772A aircraft

That's 8 additional international widebodies and every 788 after the first 4 would add to that total.

Possibilities:
Upgrading of some EWR-TATL routes
Frequency increases on TATL routes
Eastern European routes the 752 can't make and SA)">CO didn't have the widebodies to operate - WAW, PRG, HEL, VIE. Maybe CPH would return with a 752 and/or Moscow with a 763.
Added service to IAD - Don't know if HKG or TLV would work.
Added SA flying - IAH-SCL, EWR-GIG, more Brazil
Australian service - Would something like LAX/SFO-BNE-MEL work on the same aircraft?
EWR or SFO-BLR
SFO-SIN

FYI: JNB 's shortest distance to a UA hub is EWR at 7085NM.
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:01 am

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CLE-EYW ERJ/CRJ
CLE-COS 737/Airbus
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:13 am

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 15):
Would the Philippine government allow UA to start a LAX/SFO-MNL nonstop flight with the 788 if PR and 5J are not allowed to start new US services because of Cat II? The government could use UA as a ploy in the help to achieve Cat I status.

Most Likely yes...; because Its about bringing in more $$$ to the Philippines also PR and 5J will get approved as soon as they pass the FAA Audit (failed last time) but there will be lots of pressure from PR (SanMiguel) and 5J to do what the FAA wants and pass it this time..
 
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:38 am

Does UA do IAD-PEK? If not, it seems like it'd be a good 777 route; being a star hub to star hub and capital to capital flight.
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RE: Likely New United Routes Over The Next Year Or So?

Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:20 am

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 45):
lian service - Would something like LAX/SFO-BNE-MEL work on the same aircraft?

Well it adds BNE, which is a plus, but it does nothing for MEL, which is approximately twice the size of BNE. It doesn't make the connection any easier in Australia as LAX-MEL is same plane service and the connect from SFO-SYD is international to international (all pax from LAX/SFO go through C&I in MEL) so that is very easy.

B787s LAX-BNE and LAX-MEL and maybe SFO-SYD-MEL would seem to make more sence to me. The B787 is too small for SYD-LAX.

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