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Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:08 am

... or, as the newly elected (US) president might say, "yes, we can". Not quite sure exactly what it is we can do, but whatever it is, we can do it.

The previous thread title, "Storm clouds approaching", was somewhat prophetic, given the effect of Sandy, so maybe this will be too! Anyway, here's the link to that thread ...

So, just to recap: what's been happening:

- We have been given an early indication that despite all of MO'L's assurances and attempts to get other airlines to operate routes, the EU Commission is still not convinced. A decision is due in March (I think?)
- New routes for the Gathering: US Airways to Shannon
- More capacity from EI, with the return of the A332 from the United lease
- The Aer Lingus/DAA pension issue rumbles on, though hoped now that disruption can be avoided
- Traffic at DUB continues to run significantly ahead of last year and
- EI reporting strong Q3 traffic (albeit stronger on longer haul than short haul)

Probably a few other things too, but I can't quite recall !

Anyway, this being more than likely the last thread of 2012, I think we end the year with Irish aviation being significantly better than it was this time last year, with a lot more hope, in what is still a pretty fragile economic environment ...
 
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:29 pm

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
- The Aer Lingus/DAA pension issue rumbles on, though hoped now that disruption can be avoided

I wonder will Aer Lingus ever be free from strike threats. Just when you think things are getting back to normal another strike comes along. Its very damaging to the brand and the confidence of passengers booking in advance for festive periods and holidays.

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On a more positive note :

Aer Lingus wins 'Best Airline to Europe ex. Belfast' for third consecutive year

Aer Lingus has announced its success in the Northern Ireland Travel and Tourism Awards 2012, winning the 'Best Airline to Europe ex. Belfast' Award for the third year in a row. The accolade was received at a ceremony held at the Slieve Donard Resort and Spa.

http://www.traveldailynews.com/news/...51972/aer-lingus-wins-best-airline

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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:09 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
I wonder will Aer Lingus ever be free from strike threats. Just when you think things are getting back to normal another strike comes along. Its very damaging to the brand and the confidence of passengers booking in advance for festive periods and holidays.

Agreed. Despite EI offering good value fares and times for my coming trips over the coming weeks I have had to steer clear - simply cannot risk being grounded due to a strike. Its very offputting indeed. Shame as I would like to support them over bigger European rivals.
 
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:34 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Aer Lingus wins 'Best Airline to Europe ex. Belfast' for third consecutive year

In other news, Air Koryo has been voted No1 international carrier ex-Pyongyang!

(I know EI are in a different league, but it's not as if there's a huge level of competition out of Belfast to Europe!)

Quoting shamrock104 (Reply 2):
Agreed. Despite EI offering good value fares and times for my coming trips over the coming weeks I have had to steer clear - simply cannot risk being grounded due to a strike. Its very offputting indeed. Shame as I would like to support them over bigger European rivals.

I don't have much of a choice as it's either EI or FR (possibly BE) on the routes I fly; just don't want to be bothered with FR, but if EI mess things up for me, I'll be extremely annoyed.

Reported today that a Jet2 757 suffered a birdstrike while making an emergency diversion to ORK:

http://avherald.com/h?article=458dabe5&opt=1
 
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:36 pm

Hi

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
On a more positive note :

Aer Lingus wins 'Best Airline to Europe ex. Belfast' for third consecutive year

Aer Lingus has announced its success in the Northern Ireland Travel and Tourism Awards 2012, winning the 'Best Airline to Europe ex. Belfast' Award for the third year in a row. The accolade was received at a ceremony held at the Slieve Donard Resort and Spa.

Last week I was at BHD for work experience and the loads so far on at LGW and LHR flights are quite healthy, according to the sheets of passenger loads they showed me for EI, They do add a bit of colour on the stand at the airport...

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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:41 pm

Quoting shamrock104 (Reply 2):
Agreed. Despite EI offering good value fares and times for my coming trips over the coming weeks I have had to steer clear - simply cannot risk being grounded due to a strike.

Same here . Wont risk it over the next few weeks.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
In other news, Air Koryo has been voted No1 international carrier ex-Pyongyang!

Well I didnt like to say  
Quoting Dublinspotter (Reply 4):
Last week I was at BHD for work experience and the loads so far on at LGW and LHR flights are quite healthy,

Good to know , one would expect EI to do well on LGW/LHR. The test will be on future routes further than the UK.
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:20 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):
Same here . Wont risk it over the next few weeks.

I went the other way and decided to book them on the 19th Nov from DUB-LHR. I need to go to LHR and EI were the only option for logistical reasons.

As someone who has never been overly impressed with the EI service, I will never fly them again if they disrupt my plans. Nor will I allow my family or staff to fly them in the future. Can't the staff see that they are shooting themselves in the feet? I don't deny they have a genuine grievance but this is not the way to go about it - especially when market perception is such an important part of the business.
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:22 pm

Quoting captainmeeerkat (Reply 6):
As someone who has never been overly impressed with the EI service, I will never fly them again if they disrupt my plans. Nor will I allow my family or staff to fly them in the future. Can't the staff see that they are shooting themselves in the feet? I don't deny they have a genuine grievance but this is not the way to go about it - especially when market perception is such an important part of the business.

While it is not a good barometer I can tell you that none of the EI staff members I call friends/acquaintances who I talked to over the last 2-3 weeks are in a mood for strike. They want to get back some of what they paid into the pension and be free so they can start afresh. none of them want strike and like yourself are wondering why SIPTU are being so militant. (Keep in mind that probably all of those talked to are not SIPTU members)
It galls me that SIPTU that make media statements absolving the companies of any culpability in the problem but then call strike to force them to step up and help out. (On the other EI refusal to go to binding arbitration seems a bit recalcitrant) Personally, with how the situation looks from media information I think getting 66% back is pretty good.
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:17 pm

Small Plane crash in Birr, Co.offaly

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Emergency services and the garda helicopter have located a small plane which crashed in Co Offaly this evening.

There were two men on board the plane when it crashed some 3km from Birr earlier today.

The condition of the plane’s occupants is unknown at this stage.

Gardaí were notified at about 4.50pm today that all contact had been lost between Air Traffic Control and the aircraft.

A search began at 6.30pm with the assistance of the Garda air support and other emergency services

The wreckage of a Cessna Light Training aircraft was discovered at Clonkelly Upper, Birr, Co Offaly.

A Garda spokesman was unable to confirm whether those on board were injured or give details of their well being.

“It’s a dark evening and the emergency services have important work to do,” said the spokesman.

“We hope to know more later this evening.”

It is understood the site of the wreckage is near an airfield used by light aircraft.

“The plane may have been trying to land in the nearby airfield,” the spokesman added.
The Air Accident Investigation Unit (Dept of Transport) have been notified.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1111/breaking27.html
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:38 am

I note on PPRUNE that FlyBe are to suspend WAT BHX between 6 January and 17 February. This does not bode well for the southern city. It sounds like Galway all over again.

This airport has played a major role in European aviation history - Ryanair's first route was from Waterford to Gatwick and looks increasingly like it may lose all service by the end of next year.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:43 am

Quoting thediplomat (Reply 9):
I note on PPRUNE that FlyBe are to suspend WAT BHX between 6 January and 17 February. This does not bode well for the southern city. It sounds like Galway all over again.

This airport has played a major role in European aviation history - Ryanair's first route was from Waterford to Gatwick and looks increasingly like it may lose all service by the end of next year.

Indeed - it's another airport that is simply up against it - with much of it's catchment area having use of the M9, and thus speedy access to DUB, it always has to compete against the frequency and fares at DUB.

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Traffic at DUB continues to run significantly ahead of last year and
- EI reporting strong Q3 traffic (albeit stronger on longer haul than short haul)

Just to dissect those numbers a little, traffic at DUB on Continental Europe was up by 14% in Oct. None of that growth came from EI jugding by their short haul numbers, and so it must be assumed that FR must have contributed somewhat to the 14% figure. FR also have not cut back at DUB this winter by anything like the level of the last three years. Perhaps we are now at a situation where they may begin to grow at DUB again?
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:02 am

It seems this may finally be the end for the FR attempted take over:

"The EU is to serve formal objections against Ryanair’s third proposed takeover of Aer Lingus, after Europe’s largest low-cost carrier by revenues failed to offer concessions that address all Brussels’s competition concerns about the deal"



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/1112/1224326470955.html


All I can say is "thank god!" I much prefer these two airlines as viscious competitors..... 
 
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:23 am

Quoting thediplomat (Reply 9):
This airport has played a major role in European aviation history - Ryanair's first route was from Waterford to Gatwick and looks increasingly like it may lose all service by the end of next year.

Yes it is quite sad but probably a somewhat necessary step that will probably be good in the long run in that like the effective closeure of SXL and GWY, will help consolidate passenger traffic at ORK. We have all said that Ireland has too many airports given the size of the country. WAT did give us FR and it will always have that claim to fame but the reality is that is just isn't needed anymore.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 11):
All I can say is "thank god!" I much prefer these two airlines as viscious competitors.....

Thank God is right! That said, I also don't want to se EI being absorbed into the likes of IAG either. If they could just get this pensions thing solved and tempt EY into buying a nice healthy shareholding....
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:29 am

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 12):
Thank God is right! That said, I also don't want to se EI being absorbed into the likes of IAG either. If they could just get this pensions thing solved and tempt EY into buying a nice healthy shareholding....

I'd prefer something that allowed EI to pursue it's own growth ambitions rather than just becoming a feeder airline for BA - I think EY may offer that possibility but it depends of course what it's management has in mind!
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:03 am

Sorry to report that RTE now reporting two occupants dead in the crash of a Cessna 150 near Birr Airfield.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:43 am

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 14):

Indeed very sad news RIP to both Pilots .
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:09 pm

Start the re protections !

Strike action at Aer Lingus is set to go ahead next Monday after SIPTU shop stewards refused to withdraw their notice of industrial action.

It had been hoped that the two-hour stoppage over pensions would be called off after a five point plan to resolve the row was proposed by employers' body IBEC and ICTU.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1112/aer-lingus-action.html
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:33 pm

Hello from New Hampshire...I was wondering whether the Boston services are among the more profitable for Aer Lingus since there is no other carrier willing to compete? I do notice an uplift in capacity coming to Boston in 2013; terrific to see!
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:13 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 16):
Strike action at Aer Lingus is set to go ahead next Monday after SIPTU shop stewards refused to withdraw their notice of industrial action.

I had hoped that the IBEC/ICTU intervention would calm thing down.

I understand the union's desire to have further wage cuts off the table but for SIPTU officials to say that they are "not in a position to withdraw the notice of industrial action" is laughable.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:35 pm

Tomorrow (13/11) KLM operates a Fokker 100 charter into DUB, final chance to see a KLM Fokker 100 as these aircraft are in their final stages of operation. KL7141 (PH-OFP) seems to be schduled for this flight.
 
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:48 pm

Quoting eham (Reply 19):

Excellent! It's been quite a while since we saw KL in DUB!
 
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:30 pm

Is é an todhchaí na heitiltí Aer Arann Islands in amhras:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...epopulate-aran-islands-213576.html

(The government subsidies for the Aer Arann Islands flights between the Aran Islands and Aerfort na Minna in Connemara are in doubt as Budget 2013 approaches.)

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 17):
Hello from New Hampshire...I was wondering whether the Boston services are among the more profitable for Aer Lingus since there is no other carrier willing to compete? I do notice an uplift in capacity coming to Boston in 2013; terrific to see!

It would seem BOS is quite a lucrative market for EI based on the capacity increases alone that we have seen and continue to see. SNN-BOS has increased from 3x weekly to 4x weekly during the summer months and now obviously the near-double daily DUB-BOS schedule taking effect from next summer.

Interesting to note that there will be three Ireland-BOS flights on Mon/Wed/Fri/Sun, two on Thu/Sat and just one on Tue based on current Summer 2013 schedules.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:14 pm

Good news about the FR bid; I hope this is the last time they'll try.

I'm currently watching a documentary on the design and manufacture of the 777 back in the 90s, and one particular piece of it shows a map of the world where different parts of the aircraft were made. Interestingly there seems to be a dot over Ireland in this graphic and it would appear that the nose gear doors were made there. Now I suspect this is in fact supposed to be another dot over the UK and not Ireland but I can't be sure - can anyone else shed some light?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...er_detailpage&v=gZ8kSqOS_H4#t=182s
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:21 pm

EI Regional are not affected by strike action right? But ground crew will be?
Just trying to weigh my options for a short trip and whethe it's worth my while to do it on a route that has only 4/5 flights a week.

In ORK who handles EIR? Is it like Dub, a contractor wearing the EI uniform, or is it EI?

Thanks for any help!!!
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:23 pm

Quoting eham (Reply 19):
KLM operates a Fokker 100 charter into DUB

I remember some NLM Cityhopper F28 flights in 1978(?) but can't remember any KLM flights into Dublin,,,,,the KLM scheduled service was way before my time  
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:25 pm

Quoting Phen (Reply 22):
Good news about the FR bid; I hope this is the last time they'll try.

I'm currently watching a documentary on the design and manufacture of the 777 back in the 90s, and one particular piece of it shows a map of the world where different parts of the aircraft were made. Interestingly there seems to be a dot over Ireland in this graphic and it would appear that the nose gear doors were made there. Now I suspect this is in fact supposed to be another dot over the UK and not Ireland but I can't be sure - can anyone else shed some light?

Bombardier (Shorts) in Belfast made various parts for both Boeing and Airbus. Could it be them?
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:45 pm

EIR's ground staff are - Sky handling for ground ops ( baggage, loading , dispatch & tug etc) but EI do the check-in and boarding of the flights.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:47 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 21):
It would seem BOS is quite a lucrative market for EI based on the capacity increases alone that we have seen and continue to see. SNN-BOS has increased from 3x weekly to 4x weekly during the summer months and now obviously the near-double daily DUB-BOS schedule taking effect from next summer.

Interesting to note that there will be three Ireland-BOS flights on Mon/Wed/Fri/Sun, two on Thu/Sat and just one on Tue based on current Summer 2013 schedules.

EI may want to BUY a Boston gate outright. Lots of talk about new carriers coming: Qatar, Turkish, probably Emirates, too. And now that JAL is banging out their Tokyo daily 787, China can't be far off. The last thing EI wants is for a gate to be occupied when one of their three A330s comes into Logan. I would imagine that being one of the 'originals' at Logan...and Boston being so heavily Irish...EI will get exceptionally favorable treatment at Logan if gates become constrained. It's not nice to come into a country on a long transatlantic flight to wait on a remote stand for a gate to open up.

As 787s come on-line with international carriers, Boston will look very appealing. It is a very 'long-and-thin' destination, and if the number of new flights and carriers increase here (a certainty) and the number of new gates doesn't (a certainty), then there won't be too much 'empty' time for those gates...especially in the summer when EVERYONE is doubling up. I don't know if Buying a gate gains them any more protection than Leasing does. But I do know that when you Lease a gate, it still never really is yours...
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:08 pm

Quoting Richcandy (Reply 25):

Ah yes that may well be it...
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:12 pm

Did EI Buy a gate at ORD because they always seem to be using M5
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:15 am

Quoting irishair98 (Reply 29):
Did EI Buy a gate at ORD because they always seem to be using M5

I think the use of gate M5 at ORD is because of its position relative to an area where passengers can be brought through the arrivals process without the need to go near the immigration area (as they will have cleared at DUB)

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 27):
EI may want to BUY a Boston gate outright. Lots of talk about new carriers coming: Qatar, Turkish, probably Emirates, too. And now that JAL is banging out their Tokyo daily 787, China can't be far off. The last thing EI wants is for a gate to be occupied when one of their three A330s comes into Logan. I would imagine that being one of the 'originals' at Logan...and Boston being so heavily Irish...EI will get exceptionally favorable treatment at Logan if gates become constrained. It's not nice to come into a country on a long transatlantic flight to wait on a remote stand for a gate to open up.

Could EI not move to another terminal at BOS if all flights ex Ireland were pre-cleared at CBP in DUB/SNN? Might be a solution to crowding in Terminal E?
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:15 am

Stumbled upon an interesting site:

www.flytodublin.com

It's from the DAA, and is a B2B site to encourage new routes.

One quite interesting table, a list of the top ten connecting destinations in each of long and short haul:

Long Haul

1 Sydney
2 Toronto
3 San Francisco
4 New York
5 Los Angeles
6 Boston
7 Orlando
8 Washington
9 Bangkok
10 Miami


Short Haul
1 Moscow
2 Helsinki
3 Gothenberg
4 Rome
5 Berlin
6 Paris
7 Munich
8 Stockholm
9 Luxembourg
10 Milan

It's interesting to note that a number of these are already served directly and would seem to suggest a capacity shortage on certain routes.

Notably, in the long haul sector, a number of these destinations have already been secured, or had services added.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:30 am

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 31):
One quite interesting table, a list of the top ten connecting destinations in each of long and short haul:

The three that jump out as being unexpected are New York, Boston and Paris. Could also be though more to do with passengers not originating at DUB wanting to fly with certain airlines to accumulate FF miles with a particular airline or alliance or perhaps they are business travellers whose companies have deals with certain airlines or travel agents. Sydney certainly isn't a surprise. In fact, the only thing that surprises me about that is that it is the only city in Australia that made that list. San Francisco is interesting from the point of view that tech companies have been lobbying for a DUB-SFO service for some time now. Perhaps UA should be given this data. Could potentially be DUB's first 787 service (presuming EY or EK don't beat them to it).
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:39 am

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 32):
The three that jump out as being unexpected are New York, Boston and Paris

Certainly where New York and Boston are concerned, I would suggest this had a lot to do with the very high fares in the market this year on direct services. Some pax undoubtedly sought better deals via Paris or Amsterdam.

However, connecting elsewhere on a short flight to Paris, when there are no less than 12 daily direct services offered is a surprise indeed!
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:05 am

Interesting that so few Asian destinations show in the list, despite sizeable communities here and comments on this board going back years about Asian prospects. No China, Singapore, Malaysia or Phillipines. Only BKK.

Also interesting how many routes that have been tried before feature, including LAX, SFO and LUX.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:16 am

At ORK, we've seen some of KLM's metal over the last few years, diversions only though!   KLM MD-11 @ ORK

KLM 747 @ ORK
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:20 am

Tony, EY have already stated that they will operate their 787-9's into Dublin when they get them in 2016 I think it is.
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:57 am

Quoting nightfox365 (Reply 36):
Tony, EY have already stated that they will operate their 787-9's into Dublin when they get them in 2016 I think it is.

Yes I am aware of that but I was reading another thread talking about new UA international destionation and a B787 SFO-DUB was mentioned by a good few posters. 2016 is a while off yet so it is well possible that someone could beat EY to it!

Just saw this on the RTE website.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1113/eu-carbon-emission.html

Sounds like the greenies are pissed! Would they not be better off targeting industries that produce the vast majority of carbon emissions and do nothing to reduce them rather than an industry that only produces a tiny percentage and has constantly invested in newer greener technology?

[Edited 2012-11-13 04:08:58]

[Edited 2012-11-13 04:09:24]
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:26 pm

Just found this cool video on YouTube that I hadn't seen before

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnWO-hlcZRQ

Well worth a watch!
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:03 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 33):
However, connecting elsewhere on a short flight to Paris, when there are no less than 12 daily direct services offered is a surprise indeed!

Could be for various reasons. If you are in an FF Alliance program it sometimes makes sense. I was always surprised at the onward EU connections on my LX flights DUB-ZRH. Many where EI or another carrier had direct flights.

Seems EI might combine flights some with A330 and others may be operated by chartered in A/C . Some interesting things to spot at DUB maybe next Monday .
 
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:46 pm

What connections are there that would realisticly get you to Paris where your FF scheme doesn't apply on a direct? The obvious one is WX via LCY... but the direct is covered. BA via LHR - you can get BA miles on EI still?

BE sell DUB-CDG tickets - via CFN and GLA, 8 hours end to end... couldn't find any other non-contrived ones on a quick look.
 
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:12 pm

Quoting EIDL (Reply 40):
What connections are there that would realisticly get you to Paris where your FF scheme doesn't apply on a direct? The obvious one is WX via LCY... but the direct is covered. BA via LHR - you can get BA miles on EI still?

BE sell DUB-CDG tickets - via CFN and GLA, 8 hours end to end... couldn't find any other non-contrived ones on a quick look.

Yup, it's an odd one alright. I thought that as no figures are actually shown, perhaps this is more DAA's list of "wants" as opposed to an actual statistical top ten.

Perhaps they are simply pushing for growth on routes where they think a suitable carrier already exists..... (there's the conspiracy theorist in me...)
 
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:35 pm

Hi

Leaving DUB last night I saw VS A346 G-VFOX towed out, all white. Anyone have more info? Me first time seeing a -600 up close, man those engines are impressive! Dwarfed the FX A300 parked next to it.

Thanks
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:15 pm

Quoting EIDL (Reply 40):

What direct flight DUB-CDG would you earn Star Alliance miles on? Im not talking "partner" agreements here but on full members of Star Alliance . Thats why I mentioned LX as an example.
 
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:30 pm

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 42):
Leaving DUB last night I saw VS A346 G-VFOX towed out, all white. Anyone have more info?

Was being painted white after it's lease came to an end with VS. Flew DUB-Manila to go into maintenance this afternoon.

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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:45 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 43):
What direct flight DUB-CDG would you earn Star Alliance miles on? Im not talking "partner" agreements here but on full members of Star Alliance . Thats why I mentioned LX as an example.

None of them, but similarly I can't see a *A airline coming on to that route.

I would consider changing in FRA or ZRH to be getting towards contrived - the overall journey time and price would be enough to make whoever is paying the bills for even the most hardened FF balk. If there's more than even one person a year that makes that journey by choice I'd be astounded.
 
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:50 pm

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 44):

Ah thanks. I was hoping it was just in for a repaint  
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:02 pm

Quoting EIDL (Reply 45):
None of them, but similarly I can't see a *A airline coming on to that route.

I would consider changing in FRA or ZRH to be getting towards contrived - the overall journey time and price would be enough to make whoever is paying the bills for even the most hardened FF balk. If there's more than even one person a year that makes that journey by choice I'd be astounded.

The more I reflect on this list, the more I think it is aimed at existing DUB airlines to expand existing service or add some new points.

I also find it extremely hard to believe that so many are connecting to Paris of all places via an intermediate point. However, it may be a hint at an existing airline to add frequency.

Interestingly enough, EI are increasing CDG to 4 times daily on certain weekdays from S13.
 
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:49 pm

On an odd note MoL was on Ei125 DUB-ORD last week, in J class transferrign onto Denver....make of that what you will.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 47):

The more I reflect on this list, the more I think it is aimed at existing DUB airlines to expand existing service or add some new points.

Christy Mueller recently stated that EI must grow their network 'organically' to remain effective in their position.....

...I have no idea what that means.....


I still contend that with SFO/LAX as prominent final dests for DUB outbound traffic EI must make a move in this area. 21% of their revenue is from interline/non-EI traffice. If another airline jumps into West Coast-DUB then EI will see this figure drop and loads on their DUB-ORD drop sharply.


Oh for the opportunity to ask questions directly to that man.....
 
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RE: Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!

Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:44 am

Quoting EIDL (Reply 45):

Again you would be surprised at some Airlines transit figures from DUB to ZRH/FRA and beyond to random European cities that have direct flights. You would also be surprised at the fares.