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"Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:29 pm

Has anyone heard any of the "buzz" over the upcoming film "Flight." From the trailer, it appears to be about a functioning alcholoic pilot who miraculously lands a jetliner headded for a horrifc crash.
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:21 am

Just saw the trailer myself, and it's looks like a decent movie. I looking forward to see it.
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Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:15 pm

This reminds me of another movie made in the '70's that starred Cliff Robertson who played a functioning alcoholic pilot. The title of that movie eludes me.

Like the winglets on the MD-80! I wonder if they did that to make it look different so the movie makers were not trying to portray the MD-80.
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:12 pm

Part of me is interested in seeing this, but another part of me is cringing at the thought of all the stuff they'll be getting wrong.

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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:00 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
Part of me is interested in seeing this, but another part of me is cringing at the thought of all the stuff they'll be getting wrong.

My sentiments, exactly. And strangely enough: the film is only 139minutes long. This leads me to thoughts: it is VERY short for Zemeckis standards, and precisely how dramatic is it? 139 is typically the length reserved for comedies.

Guess we shall soon find out!


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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:04 pm

If you want a sneak preview of how Robert Zemeckis handles flying sequences and plane crashes in movies, look no further than Cast Away which featured a Fed Ex A300 crashing at sea at night, very dramatic as a movie crash should be.

I only had one major issue when I saw it and that was that after the plane crashed in the sea during a storm the engine continued to run, almost sucking in Tom Hanks while he was in the water. I though it was a bit far fetched, but having seen a youtube of a bizjet I think it was a Learjet, having overshot the runway and landed in a creek, both engines continued to run, although grant you it never submerged underwater like the Fed Ex A300 would have in Cast Away.

I can appreciate directors taking creative license when featuring aircraft in movies, but being an aviation buff I do find it distracting while watching a movie and I am taken out of the film because a film maker has taken a liberty that beggars belief to say the least, try and keep it real, is all I am saying.
 
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:12 pm

I guarantee this "crash" scene will be incredibly fake. From the previews I saw it looks like that "MD-80" handles like an Extra 300.

Still want to see the movie however.
 
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Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:04 am

Looking forward to seeing it. I am sure we will all find plenty of mistakes but at least it looks like they got the cockpit right for an MD-80 that is impressive honestly. I am thinking the winglets needed to be put on so MD-80 operators don't get upset? Or Boeing itself? Or maybe just put them on to make it look like a newer plane. Who knows. It will be fun to watch. And Denzel is good.
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:21 pm

Quoting alaska737 (Reply 6):

Remember Alaska Airlines Flight 261? It nosed dived repeatedly and flew inverted before crashing. From what I've seen from the trailer it looks as if this movie took elements of the 261 crash.
 
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:20 am

Quoting PMUA787 (Reply 2):
This reminds me of another movie made in the '70's that starred Cliff Robertson who played a functioning alcoholic pilot. The title of that movie eludes me.


The name of that movie is "The Pilot" . I have an old copy on VCR that I have not watched for awhile. Seems like a good movie but at times is a little soapy.
 
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:47 pm

Quoting 777guy (Reply 9):
The name of that movie is "The Pilot" . I have an old copy on VCR that I have not watched for awhile. Seems like a good movie but at times is a little soapy.

That's right. I believe there is a trailer for this film on YouTube as well.
 
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:30 am

Just saw it. Didn't like it at all. Not enough about aviation and more about the stuff you usually find it R rated movies.....
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:45 am

Quoting kann123air (Reply 11):
Just saw it. Didn't like it at all. Not enough about aviation and more about the stuff you usually find it R rated movies.....

I loved the movie! It's not a movie about flying, however, it's a movie about an irresponsible guy who, following a heroic act, realizes he must come to terms with a lifetime of misconduct. Having represented many people over the years with substance abuse issues, I found the movie pretty powerful. The plane segment at the beginning - believable or not - managed to hook me in!
 
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:14 am

Quoting CaptainKramer (Reply 5):
I only had one major issue when I saw it and that was that after the plane crashed in the sea during a storm the engine continued to run, almost sucking in Tom Hanks while he was in the water. I though it was a bit far fetched, but having seen a youtube of a bizjet I think it was a Learjet, having overshot the runway and landed in a creek, both engines continued to run, although grant you it never submerged underwater like the Fed Ex A300 would have in Cast Away.

I'm pretty sure they were trying to imply that the aircraft was an MD-11... the cockpit was a hybrid of one anyway. They would not be using A300s on Pacific flights to Tahiti or wherever they were going.
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:50 am

I was watching the game last week with a friend when the trailer came on. I told him "Those guys on Airliners are going to tear that movie to pieces.

My question just from the trailer is how long can a modern airliner maintain inverted flight?
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:51 am

Saw it the day it was released! Was good as movies go, but was a bit depressing. Also, I would have liked to see more aviation and airplanes in the movie! Still liked it a lot.
 
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:56 am

I saw it last week.

Denzel gave a great performance (Oscar nom most likely) and John Goodman was terrific as Denzel's dope man (Oscar nom highly possible).

That said, the movie is certainly a character study vs. an aviation nut's wet dream. I'm quite sure some of the techies on here will find some flaws but no glaring flubs that I could see, wingletted MD-80 aside.

The flight sequence portion of the film was the catalyst for the character developments that follow but certainly not the star of the film.

Worth a view for those who enjoy some good acting.
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:10 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 7):
I am thinking the winglets needed to be put on so MD-80 operators don't get upset? Or Boeing itself?

Why would film makers care about that? There are plenty of movies where complete US cities are destroyed, nobody asked the citizens if they liked that ides..  
 
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:29 am

Looking at the trailer it seems that it is a character driven story that develops from the aircrash rather than a movie about an aircrash....

I may well have gotten the wrong impression but will still give this a chance sometime over the next few weeks.
 
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:40 am

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 18):
Looking at the trailer it seems that it is a character driven story that develops from the aircrash rather than a movie about an aircrash....

I may well have gotten the wrong impression but will still give this a chance sometime over the next few weeks.

If you think this movie is about a plane crash, you're gonna have a bad time...  

It was ok IMO. It was mostly two hours of watching Denzel Washington drink and do crack so I was disappointed...
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:23 pm

Cockpit scenes were filmed in a DAL MD88 simulator in ATL.
 
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:33 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 17):
Why would film makers care about that? There are plenty of movies where complete US cities are destroyed, nobody asked the citizens if they liked that ides..

A single movie by the major studios is a huge production with hundreds of persons involved, the director and producers do not oversee every single detail, I'm sure you have seen a number of movies where PC gets into the movie somehow.
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:10 pm

Quoting Md88Captain (Reply 20):
Cockpit scenes were filmed in a DAL MD88 simulator in ATL.

It's remarkable that Delta allowed filming to take place in their MD88 simulator. Airlines are usually so squeamish about allowing anything negative to reflect upon them. Although I understand the airline in this movie was a mythical regional airline based in the southeast U.S., Denzel Washington as a drug and alcoholic abuser is hardly the heroic image the industry wants.

When the movie trailers of Flight first came out, I immediately thought of an old 1970s book called "The Pilot". In that fictional work the captain hides booze in the lavatory and flies his routes loaded with what the book calls spookers.
 
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:33 pm

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 22):
When the movie trailers of Flight first came out, I immediately thought of an old 1970s book called "The Pilot". In that fictional work the captain hides booze in the lavatory and flies his routes loaded with what the book calls spookers.

The movie version of "The Pilot" came out in 1979, produced, directed and starring the late Cliff Robertson. A decent enough movie if you can find it. Lots of DC-8 action!
 
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:11 pm

Quoting n797mx (Reply 19):
If you think this movie is about a plane crash, you're gonna have a bad time...  

So looks like my impression of the film is correct then......

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 18):
Looking at the trailer it seems that it is a character driven story that develops from the aircrash rather than a movie about an aircrash....

Still gonna give it a shot, Denzel is a great actor so should be good to watch.
 
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:24 pm

Quoting alaska737 (Reply 6):

I guarantee this "crash" scene will be incredibly fake. From the previews I saw it looks like that "MD-80" handles like an Extra 300.

I've only seen the trailer, but yes, it definitely looks like physics do not apply in this film. To roll an MD-80 about an axis and fly upside down without any change in altitude, as if it was fixed on a stick, could absolutely 100% never ever happen.

I also rather doubt that a wing, as strong as they are built structurally, could hack a church steeple off without sustaining massive damage (i.e. ripping the wing apart.) And is it just me or is that either the tiniest church on the planet or is the MD-80's wing now 400 feet long?

Either way, I'm quite sure the majority of this movie is not supposed to be about flying, but the glaring errors I've seen just in the trailer give me absolutely no desire to see this film.
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:13 am

The wing vs steeple question makes me recall the USMC EA-6 that sliced through the cable car cable in Italy years ago. I would have thought that the EA-6 wing would come right off but it suffered comparatively little damage. We've also seen wings slice through trees and keep intact (AMR MD80 @ BDL).
 
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:55 am

Quoting PMUA787 (Reply 2):
This reminds me of another movie made in the '70's that starred Cliff Robertson who played a functioning alcoholic pilot. The title of that movie eludes me.

It was called "The Pilot" and starred Cliff Robertson. It's available on DVD.

I saw the film last week and a few things rang true--the first officer's feeling that something was wrong with the captain prior to departure. But he did and said nothing--in reality, he would have made a hard but necessary phone call.

The second was the whole inverted airplane thing. Implausable.

The crash scene was ok except when the right wing hit the steeple in reality it would have sheared of the wingtip, skewed the airplane to the right and slammed it into the ground. And the MD80's do NOT have winglets. Plus, if the aircraft had landed the way that one did, left wing down, it would have caused a fireball that would have engulfed the entire left side of the airplane. They could not have dumped that much fuel in just a few minutes.

But in the end good triumped over bad. He did "the right thing." (not to be a spoiler.)
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:01 am

I've been looking forward to seeing this movie since I first clapped eye on the trailer in February I think it was.

I'm am, however, extremely disappointed to see its not to be found in any cinema in my area or beyond.
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Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:38 am

I saw it and it was a very powerful movie. It is a HOLLYWOOD movie and drama trumps factual airplane technicalities. But it is (to me) about the sad and horrible sickness addiction is. If drugs or alcohol have touched any of your lives, it will have an impact on you. Denzel was awesome.

As for the issue of obscuring the aircraft type, it makes sense for a general audience not to attribute the malfunction or defect to a certain airplane they could then be afraid to fly. Same goes for creating a bogus airline, if they used Delta or Southwest, it would be very unfair to them. As for using name brands, the beer and spirits companies should be very upset.

But, the whole aircraft incident in the movie is thrilling even if inaccurate IMHO!
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:01 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 27):
They could not have dumped that much fuel in just a few minutes.

MD-80's can't dump fuel anyway.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 29):
But it is (to me) about the sad and horrible sickness addiction is.

Which is why I'll withhold judgement on the movie as a whole, because it's not an "aviation movie."
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:11 am

Quoting KAUST (Reply 4):
My sentiments, exactly. And strangely enough: the film is only 139minutes long. This leads me to thoughts: it is VERY short for Zemeckis standards, and precisely how dramatic is it? 139 is typically the length reserved for comedies.

2 hours 19 is a reasonable length for a movie. A lot of them these days are only 100 minutes or so

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featured a Fed Ex A300

It was an MD11 and the engine in question was the tail one hence the reason it was still running, it was still out of the sea.
 
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:19 am

Quoting VC10er (Reply 29):
I saw it and it was a very powerful movie. It is a HOLLYWOOD movie and drama trumps factual airplane technicalities. But it is (to me) about the sad and horrible sickness addiction is. If drugs or alcohol have touched any of your lives, it will have an impact on you. Denzel was awesome.

Very good post. I saw the movie last night and that summarizes my feelings too. It is a movie about addiction, with aviation providing the context and background. Denzel Washington's profession could have been many others, but the idea of an alcoholic, drug addicted pilot pulling off an amazing "crash landing" of a disabled aircraft shows that some addicts are actually highly skilled professionals that are still able to function in society. Not all are unemployed junkies or "whinos".

There is a line in the movie early on when Washington's union rep / old flying buddy from the Navy (played by Bruce Greenwood) says something like, "I remember you use to fly for Delta". Probably added to make it clear to the audience that the fictional airline was not modeled after Delta.

And the fact that my wife was willing to go see the movie with me when she can't stand "airplane talk" was a real bonus!  
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Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:12 pm

For a quick "airplane movie fix" I heartily recommend "The Pilot." Cliff Robertson stars as a DC-8 captain (some GREAT interior and exterior shots of the DC-8-50 series). He is an alcohol abuser but is under treatment to stop drinking. The ending is predictable but what I liked was the fact that this fictional pilot lived in Ridgefield, CT where I lived. Ridgefield is (or was) a pilot heaven when CT had no state income tax. I worked on the DC-8 for many years and it brought back a lot of memories--the little "lounge" in front, then a narrow corridor with a galley on one side and 2 lavs and a closet on the other and THEN came first class. It meant that the overwing exits were only about 3-4 rows back in tourist class.

The coffee makers used real cans of coffee and had perferators that punched a hole in the top of the can and one in the bottom and forced the hot water through. If you released the handle too soon after the brewing cycle completed and the can had not depressurized, you got rewarded with a showering spray of hot coffee grounds all over you. We learned the hard way to stand off to one side and release the handle.

But a great airplane, tough and roomy with real curtains on the windows.
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:45 pm

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 13):
I'm pretty sure they were trying to imply that the aircraft was an MD-11... the cockpit was a hybrid of one anyway. They would not be using A300s on Pacific flights to Tahiti or wherever they were going.

I never really understood why someone was sending ice skates to the South Pacific.
 
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:01 pm

If you work for the airline industry you know the events depicted in this movie and the stuff the pilot gets away with are extremely unlikely and completely false. However the story of alcoholism and drug addiction is closer to the truth.
 
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:15 pm

Quoting santi319 (Reply 35):
If you work for the airline industry you know the events depicted in this movie and the stuff the pilot gets away with are extremely unlikely and completely false. However the story of alcoholism and drug addiction is closer to the truth.

Since we are all subject to random alcohol and drug testing (I seemed to get nabbed about once a year) very, VERY few people abuse the system. It's just not worth the risk. I read somewhere that the positive test rate was and I seem to recall that it was a fraction of sent system and state laws be damned. No grass, no time, nowhere. Much easier to enforce a single standard.
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RE: "Flight" Starring Denzel Washington

Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:30 pm

I saw the movie a few days ago and liked it very much. I could tell that they used more than one aircraft because in some scenes there was a missing window on the port side, just like Delta's MD-88s. And in other scenes the window was there, making me think it was an MD-81/82/83. The seat covers were from American Airlines, but since there were no adjustable headrests, the seats were probably from ex-TWA MD-80s. Also, they had the original MD-80 overhead bin doors.

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