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Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:21 pm

Is Jetblue planning on any expansion in 2013 ? Should we see their A321s coming the first quarter of 2013? I read in another thread Jetblue was looking at Cincinnati or was that just rumor?
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:08 pm

I would look for more Caribbean and maybe one new domestic city.

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
Jetblue was looking at Cincinnati

I believe it was the opposite, Cincinnati was trying to get JetBlue. I don't see it going anywhere. Look at their route map, it doesn't fit.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:12 pm

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
I read in another thread Jetblue was looking at Cincinnati or was that just rumor?
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 1):
I believe it was the opposite, Cincinnati was trying to get JetBlue. I don't see it going anywhere. Look at their route map, it doesn't fit.

It's very unlikely they are going to CVG, if they couldn't make CMH and BNA work how on Earth is CVG going to work? Where I can see B6 is ATL, again, and PHL. The A321s are going to existing routes, trans-cons and Caribbean.

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Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:19 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
Where I can see B6 is ATL, again

I completely agree. I do think the optimal time to enter ATL has passed though. They should have done it when DL wasn't doing as well and when FL was moving focus away from ATL.

Now as WN is pulling down FL everywhere except ATL they are focusing back to ATL and DL is now just a generally stronger competitor to any airline.

I think they will do ATL but the most optimal time has passed.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:32 pm

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):

Is Jetblue planning on any expansion in 2013

They said recently that they are probably going to keep some A320s that were supposed to come off lease and grow with them, but I think the are waiting to see what happens with AA before announcing anything new.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:35 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 4):
but I think the are waiting to see what happens with AA before announcing anything new.

They just announced last week SJU to STI and PUJ. While I'm sure what happens with AA would impact how B6 grows, I'm also pretty sure that other things are already on B6's radar scope and will be announced regardless of AA...
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:36 pm

Central America should be in their plans as well as more Carribbean service. I would assume a couple of more domestic cities but most expanssion will be out of SJU or international.
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:55 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 3):
I completely agree. I do think the optimal time to enter ATL has passed though. They should have done it when DL wasn't doing as well and when FL was moving focus away from ATL.

Now as WN is pulling down FL everywhere except ATL they are focusing back to ATL and DL is now just a generally stronger competitor to any airline.

I think they will do ATL but the most optimal time has passed.

I agree with Jetblue possibly returning to ATL but I am not sure about the "optimal time."

I could be wrong but I believe that with AirTran slowly changing over to WN, there is a continuing downsizing of ATL by FL/WN and the main beneficiary, of course, is DL. Also a factor is that WN doesn't offer Biz Class or other perks, so all those loyal AirTran customers now face a choice to switch over to DL and start earning Skymiles or accept that Southwest offers more modest perks and benefits for loyalty. And because ATL is literally the busiest airport in the world, I really don't know how many "new" customers Southwest is going to drum up with the 'Southwest effect'. My point is that the LCC scene at ATL is evolving and I think there exists an opportunity for B6 (or other carrier, say NK?) to come in and fill a void.

Let's be honest, if Jetblue ever returns to ATL, it won't be by offering flights to LGB. It will be to their hubs at JFK and/or BOS. Possibly other focus cities too, but a return to the Peach State will only exist to offer more complete schedules from their own growing hubs. IIRC, the #1 and #2 business cities from BOS that B6 does not currently fly to are ATL and PHL. Stiff competition on both routes for sure but this is very telling, in my opinion.

For 2013, I could see one or both of these cities being added to the B6 route map, and maybe one or two other domestic cities too. Your guess is as good as mine as to where! MHT anybody? I think any real growth for Jetblue comes, again, in the Caribbean and Central America. If they are going to make places like CTG work, then there are literally a half-dozen other places that are within the realm of possibility. Clearly the Caribbean is now the domain of LCCs and ULCCs at the expense of legacy network carriers, AA mainly. And it's my belief that it is only a matter of time before places like POS and POP are served by Jetblue...
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:50 pm

I see B6 coming to ATL, I think it is time for them to come back.

I don't see B6 coming to PHL because US has so many flights and US would match all the prices and it just won't happen. I fly JetBlue as much as possible from CLT there a great airline
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:57 pm

What about CUR?

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Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:12 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
It's very unlikely they are going to CVG, if they couldn't make CMH and BNA work how on Earth is CVG going to work?

Compared to the other two, CVG wouldn't have any direct LCC competition as well as a larger catchment area to draw from, who knows though, if the city can throw enough money at them it would certainly be nice to see them here.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:12 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 8):
I see B6 coming to ATL, I think it is time for them to come back.

I don't see B6 coming to PHL because US has so many flights and US would match all the prices and it just won't happen. I fly JetBlue as much as possible from CLT there a great airline

DL has more ATL flights than US has PHL flights and DL will match prices just the same. DL has the handbook on giving a competing LCC hell in your hub.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:19 pm

I was thinking, what about AZA? F9 will soon be flying out of both PHX and AZA; and I don't see why B6 can't do it.
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:33 pm

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 11):

I agree but I still don't see PHL happening, didn't B6 do ATL-LGB, To me that was foolish what they need to do is some JFK and BOS flights to ATL
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:41 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 12):

I was thinking, what about AZA? F9 will soon be flying out of both PHX and AZA; and I don't see why B6 can't do it.

Not only is B6 not focused on the West Coast, they are not focused on a secondary airport as small as AZA in a place that they are not focused on in general.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:52 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 14):
Not only is B6 not focused on the West Coast, they are not focused on a secondary airport as small as AZA in a place that they are not focused on in general.

So I guess you're implying that B6 wouldn't be looking at places like BLI, GEG, or FAT either?
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:14 pm

How about MSP, MKE, STL, or MCI? It surprises me that to this day basically the whole midwest is ignored.
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:50 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 15):
So I guess you're implying that B6 wouldn't be looking at places like BLI, GEG, or FAT either?

Yes.  
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:07 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 8):
I don't see B6 coming to PHL because US has so many flights and US would match all the prices and it just won't happen. I fly JetBlue as much as possible from CLT there a great airline

You essentially contradict yourself here. US has far more flts in CLT than it does in PHL and yet B6 still flies from CLT.

I think it is only a matter of time to see B6 at PHL. Though I think there are 2 things that may conern B6 about the PHL market
-They will likely want to serve PHL-BOS and US has proven that it is extremely dominant on this route. B6 will have to fight it out with low fares and 8+ flts/day
-Not that B6 is looking to make PHL a focus city, but they have to be a bit concerned after the past 2 years US has beaten WN down to a mere 20 something flts. B6 may be conerned that the PHL market is still very much loyal to US and it may be tough to gain a reasonable marketshare.

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Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:19 pm

A place like CVG makes sense, esp with no LCC competition to Florida.

B6 could start MCO/FLL same way that BDL, PVD and SWF started and with those two they really wouldnt ruffle many feathers at DL. Then woth an established station its extremely easy to launch JFK and BOS once you have name recognition in the market.
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:28 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 18):
I think it is only a matter of time to see B6 at PHL. Though I think there are 2 things that may conern B6 about the PHL market
-They will likely want to serve PHL-BOS and US has proven that it is extremely dominant on this route. B6 will have to fight it out with low fares and 8+ flts/day
-Not that B6 is looking to make PHL a focus city, but they have to be a bit concerned after the past 2 years US has beaten WN down to a mere 20 something flts. B6 may be conerned that the PHL market is still very much loyal to US and it may be tough to gain a reasonable marketshare.

I agree with all points above.
I think BOS-PHL will be saturated right from the start with nobody making a dime. In essence, travellers between the two cities will have to compete between not just two or three airlines but essentially competing loyalties too. PHL obviously tends to be loyal to US and I think the BOS market tends to be very loyal to B6. I think the B6 product, both on-ground and in the air, would be better than US on a route like this (assuming 5-8 frequencies per day) but US clearly has the better mileage and rewards program. Plus they are already well-established on the route, so B6 would have to spend an awful lot to make in-roads. In my opinion, WN would probably be squeezed out of the market or just have token service; they have a great national marketing presence but I think this would be a two dog fight between US and B6. Of course, all of this is dependent on B6 even entering the market - but this is a matter of WHEN not IF, in my opinion.
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:51 pm

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
I read in another thread Jetblue was looking at Cincinnati or was that just rumor?

You've probably read that dream/rumor in about 100 threads over the years here on A.net!  
Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 16):
How about MSP, MKE, STL, or MCI? It surprises me that to this day basically the whole midwest is ignored.

To expand your thought, Blue is also pretty much (with the exceptions of LA and SF) ignoring the entire west these days...
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 12):
I was thinking, what about AZA? F9 will soon be flying out of both PHX and AZA; and I don't see why B6 can't do it.

And where exactly would Blue fly from AZA? They are barely serving Sky Harbor now - 1 BOS flight and 1 to JFK. (And that's their winter -- peak season -- schedule for Arizona!)

I would be very surprised to see B6 do anything west of the Mississippi for at least the next couple of years. They have become an East Coast-, Caribbean-, and Latin American-centric carrier and I expect that will be where any growth will happen.

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Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:09 pm

Maybe we can see TUS possibly again?
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:04 pm

I believe they were talking and seeing DAB as a possibility
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:05 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 21):
They have become an East Coast-, Caribbean-, and Latin American-centric carrier and I expect that will be where any growth will happen.

Exactly. There has been no evidence of jetblue changing from this mindset, so everyone in the rest of the country shouldnt hold their breath for any expansion.
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:13 pm

I'd love to see expansion out of AUS or EWR and and direct flight between to two would be great.   
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:13 pm

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 16):

How about MSP, MKE, STL, or MCI? It surprises me that to this day basically the whole midwest is ignored.

Could we see DTW in the future?
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:17 pm

I think JetBlue could make a move a bit deeper into South America. From MCO and FLL once their A320's have sharklets they'll be able to reach places like LIM, MAO, CCS, CLO, UIO etc. I think FLL-MAO or FLL-LIM could work.

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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:21 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 19):
A place like CVG makes sense, esp with no LCC competition to Florida.

No it doesn't. Have you seen B6's route map. It doesn't make sense at all for B6.

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 22):
Maybe we can see TUS possibly again?

Very unlikely.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 25):
I'd love to see expansion out of AUS or EWR and and direct flight between to two would be great.

EWR needs slots and WN has beaten them in AUS and that will continue.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 26):
Could we see DTW in the future?

Not only has Dave Barger hinted at it, he is from Detroit...
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:27 pm

How likely is ANU being added to the list? With AA on that route from JFK, I'm not sure how much market will be left for B6. But with the pull out of MQ next year, is SJU-ANU likely from B6?
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:28 pm

What about a service to BON? Would love to see more airlines trying to go there. Any thoughts?
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:29 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 26):
Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 16):

How about MSP, MKE, STL, or MCI? It surprises me that to this day basically the whole midwest is ignored.

Could we see DTW in the future?

Back when AA was drawing down STL, there were rumors of B6 taking over Concourse D. Those never came to fruition.

IND has also been mentioned in the past as a new B6 city, but I don't think we will be seeing IND (which was rumored as an initial E190 city) anytime soon. DL already serves BOS and NYC very well from IND, and IND's costs are very high. Complicating matters, I read recently where IND management prefers to nurture existing service as opposed to throwing incentives at new entrants like B6. Though I've noticed that when IND does use incentives, they prefer the likes of Branson AirExpress (lasted 2 months) or Vision (slightly more successful to MYR) than getting an airline that they don't have or improving IND's abysmal West Coast access (VX, are you listening?).
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:31 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 28):
No it doesn't. Have you seen B6's route map. It doesn't make sense at all for B6.

Im referring to the lack of other LCC's to Florida. If B6 is willing to start cities like BDL (7x WN florida flights) and PVD (11x WN florida flights) then surely the scant remnants of DL CVG-Florida create some opportunities for them. BNA and CMH didnt try florida but had competition, CVG has nothing and sooner or later they will have WN if B6 doesnt go first.
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:34 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 8):

Aren't you contradicting yourself?? B6 is doing fine at one US hub, but is scared to try another US hub???
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:35 pm

I'd love to see them come to CLE. UAL flies unchecked on CLE-BOS (unless you count airtan from CAK) and CLE-JFK is dominated by regional jets. I'd bet JetBlue could capture a pretty good market share.
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:36 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 32):
BNA and CMH didnt try florida but had competition, CVG has nothing and sooner or later they will have WN if B6 doesnt go first.

For B6 its less the MCO/FLL opportunity and more where the city being added is. If no one flies MCI or STL to Florida they aren't going to start service to either city because its just not in their plan. CVG in the case of B6 is in the same category.

Will they eventually go to the midwest? Maybe, but that is not their plan in the next 5-7 years.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:38 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 34):
UAL flies unchecked on CLE-BOS (unless you count airtan from CAK) and CLE-JFK is dominated by regional jets.

CAK competes very well with CLE. FL flies CAK-BOS as you mention but they also fly CAK-LGA which really helps CAK.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:39 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 28):
Quoting brilondon (Reply 26):
Could we see DTW in the future?

Not only has Dave Barger hinted at it, he is from Detroit...

Cant wait! This WILL be a successful station right out of the gate..my prediction for DTW would be 1 daily FLL/2 daily JFK and sometime down the road 2 Daily BOS. I agree with those of you saying SJU-ANU and a few other carribean hotspots not yet served. B6 has become THE way to fly to the turquoise waters and they can only build more on that
 
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Quoting airliner371 (Reply 36):
CAK competes very well with CLE.

Which tells me B6 might do well, considering a fair share of FL's CAK-BOS pax are dodging United's high fares. If JetBlue came in and offered 200$ r/t to UAL's $400, I'd bet they'd siphon quite a few people from both United at CLE and AirTran at CAK, especially considering B6's far superior service quality.
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:20 pm

What about TUL ? Metro population of 1 million, a strong economy, and limited direct service to East and West Coasts.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:24 pm

The talk of Worcester, Massachusetts is just SILLY with Boston being so close by.

Why, that's like them flying to Los Angeles AND Long Beach.

Just silly.  
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:26 am

I wouldnt expect any new announcements from B6 that pertain to opening any new cities on the West. They will continue to expand BOS and the Carribbean for the forseable future. Here are my guesses as to what you could see in the next year.

1) ANC will go to year round service beginning in May when they have started service the last two years.
2) FAI will be announced as a seasonal route. They will run the same schedule that ANC did as a seasonal.
3) DTW or PHL will be announced. I dont really know why I see DTW as an option other than the CEO is from the Detroit area and has eluded to having a desire to fly there when the time is right. PHL is interesting. B6 is doing well on the BOS-DFW route and everyone said they were stupid for doing that. I understand there is some fierce loyalty to HP in PHL, but in this economy, customers are starting to switch their loyalty to Price as opposed to a carrier.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:31 am

Quoting greggariouspdx (Reply 39):
What about TUL ? Metro population of 1 million, a strong economy, and limited direct service to East and West Coasts.

OKC would come first if they came to this region. And I doubt OKC is on their list right now.
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:32 am

Would love to have them in STL, but D Concourse is mothballed and not being renovated like A and C (B is closed). US Airways just filled in some C Concourse gates next to the AA gates.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:42 am

I know it is not optimum when you could fly to JFK, but why doesn't B6 try to fly MSP-Caribbean direct? There are a ton of people who fly out of here with 1 or 2 stops already. You could fly SJU, STT or PUN 2-3 times a week and clean house. DL makes you connect in ATL, UA in EWR or IAH, AA in MIA. NK in FLL, get the point. At least give us a flight BOS or JFK. I can live without SFO or LAX, even though in winter MSP often is your fuel stop in strong winds.

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Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:42 am

Quoting usafret (Reply 43):
Would love to have them in STL, but D Concourse is mothballed and not being renovated like A and C (B is closed).

And at the rate things are going at STL, I think we could see WN take over/renovate the east D gates and reopen the D-E connector...   
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Can anyone name the major US airports JetBlue is not flying to yet?

I was very surprised when reading the comments, that they don't fly to ATL, DTW or MSP. I know most of those large airports not served by B6 are someone's hub, but I would think that a couple of flights to JFK, BOS, MCO or FLL would be feasible from some of them.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:57 am

Quoting greggariouspdx (Reply 39):

What about TUL ? Metro population of 1 million, a strong economy, and limited direct service to East and West Coasts.

It does not go with B6 at all. The city can be large with a great economy but it doesn't fit with B6 at all. Very, very unlikely.
 
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Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 46):
Can anyone name the major US airports JetBlue is not flying to yet?

In the Midwest alone:
-CAK
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-CMH (tried once)
-CVG
-DAY
-DSM
-DTW
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-MCI
-MDW (though they do serve ORD)
-MKE
-MSP
-SDF
-STL

Not to mention the many smaller airports served by the likes of the regionals, G4, and F9...
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:19 am

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 45):
And at the rate things are going at STL, I think we could see WN take over/renovate the east D gates and reopen the D-E connector...

There's no market for them in St. Louis, unfortunately. They were set to enter in 2006 - when there was opportunity, but with WN beefing up St. Louis to the east coast, there's nothing left.

I imagine we may see a couple routes like ICT and/or GRR, but aside from that I don't think WN will be expanding much past their current service levels.

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