jcarv
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JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:24 pm

Looks like JFK was fogged in good this morning. BOS took many diversions..

DL2049 LAS-JFK 752 N6715C
DL269 TLV-JFK 744 N666US
CA1051 ANC-JFK 744
DL120 GRU-JFK 764 N839MH
AA974 GIG-JFK 763 N359AA
BW520 POS-JFK 73H 9Y-JMB
AA30 LAX-JFK 762 N324AA
AA18 SFO-JFK 762 N325AA
B6174 SJC-JFK 320 N510JB
B6172 SMF-JFK 320
B698 DEN-JFK 320
VX34 SFO-JFK 320 N842VA
LA530 LIM-JFK 763
LA532 SCL-JFK 763 CC-CXD
 
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting jcarv (Thread starter):
Looks like JFK was fogged in good this morning.

Yup, could barely see the car in front of me on my way into work. It was very thick. I was surprised to hear an aircraft come in on 13L shortly after I got to work at like 6:30am....couldn't see it, but I heard it LOL.
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:34 pm

are the ILS systems up?

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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:41 pm

I notice that DL 269 is quickly airborne again to JFK where DL 120 is scheduled to depart BOS at noon. Is this due to crew duty hour issues? Was it necessary top ferry a new flight crew for DL 120 from either JFK or ATL?
 
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:31 pm

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 3):
I notice that DL 269 is quickly airborne again to JFK where DL 120 is scheduled to depart BOS at noon. Is this due to crew duty hour issues? Was it necessary top ferry a new flight crew for DL 120 from either JFK or ATL?

Most probably as you suggest is duty, TLV could be easily 4 pilots and GRU 2 or maybe 3, so the duty time for the former must be quite longer, also sometimes when weather diversions, refueling is an issue, so now the problem to ferry a crew to BOS is that you need a flight and also a whole set of crew. 2 pilots and 8-10 cabin crew.... so you might finish all the Stby for that day and it´s still early morning, i think rebooking pax in other flights is a better idea, some will be connecting so you can even send them via ATL from BOS or direct if flight is available.

Quoting foxecho (Reply 2):
are the ILS systems up?

If the fog is so bad and ILS if it´s not a CAT 3 will not help much. When thick fog and Low Visibility procedures are in force a big issue is holding times and taxi in and out but i´m not sure if someone was taking off, LVP in force slow down the operation of an airport very much, so fuel calculation is very important to know how many mins can you hold.
 
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:55 pm

Delta also diverted its BOG-JFK flight to PHL and its LAX and SFO red-eyes to ALB.
 
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:00 pm

ALB got DL redeyes from SEA/SFO/LAX/SLC, as well as B6s redeye from LGB.
E135/E140/E145/E70/E75/E90/CR2/CR7/CR9/717/732/733/734/735/73G/738/739/752/753/762/772/77W/319/320/321/333/343
 
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:14 pm

PHL got a lot of diversions:

VX30 a320 SFO-JFK
VX418 a320 LAX-JFK
VX420 a320 LAX-JFK
UAL912 752 LAX-JFK
AVA42 a319 BOG-JFK
AMX400 738 MEX-JFK
DAL396 737 BOG-JFK
DAL2340 752 SFO-JFK
 
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:16 pm

The ILS wasn't working last night. It's funny, I mentioned to my captain when I was doing the preflight around 9pm last night that it was starting to get a little foggy and we could definitely see it after we took off. Glad I'm heading back west today and not down to NY.
 
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:17 pm

BWI was a mess this morning too. Fog. Odd time of year for it too.
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:19 pm

Where did LA 532 diverted to?
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:23 pm

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 10):

BOS
 
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:24 pm

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 10):
Where did LA 532 diverted to?

LA530 and LA532 are both at BOS. JJ8080 operating GRU-JFK just arrived at JFK from IAD.
 
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:48 pm

Quoting FI642 (Reply 9):
BWI was a mess this morning too. Fog. Odd time of year for it too.

Yup, IAD got Diversions from WN, FL, DL, B6, & TAM
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:12 pm

Both LAN 530 & 532 cancelled this morning. I guess American Airlines was handling them in BOS. Both flights cleared customs and AAL was rebooking passengers to JFK and beyond. There are two flight plans to JFK at 1800 tonight however.
 
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:47 pm

Quoting foxecho (Reply 2):
are the ILS systems up?

Found this NOTAM summary

JFK 10/243 JFK NAVIGATION RUNWAY 4L DISTANCE MEASURING EQUIPMENT OUT OF SERVICE
JFK 10/261 JFK NAVIGATION INSTRUMENT LANDING SYSTEM RUNWAY 22L LOCALIZER OUT OF
SERVICE WITH EFFECT FROM OR EFFECTIVE FROM 1210311631
JFK 10/263 JFK NAVIGATION INSTRUMENT LANDING SYSTEM RUNWAY 22R DISTANCE
MEASURING EQUIPMENT OUT OF SERVICE WITH EFFECT FROM OR EFFECTIVE FROM
1210311633
JFK 10/264 JFK NAVIGATION INSTRUMENT LANDING SYSTEM RUNWAY 22L DISTANCE
MEASURING EQUIPMENT OUT OF SERVICE WITH EFFECT FROM OR EFFECTIVE FROM
1210311634
JFK 10/268 JFK NAVIGATION INSTRUMENT LANDING SYSTEM RUNWAY 4R MIDDLE MARKER OUT
OF SERVICE WITH EFFECT FROM OR EFFECTIVE FROM 1210311839
JFK 10/279 JFK NAVIGATION INSTRUMENT LANDING SYSTEM RUNWAY 4R CATEGORY 2/3 NOT
AUTHORIZED WITH EFFECT FROM OR EFFECTIVE FROM 1210312050
JFK 11/046 JFK NAVIGATION INSTRUMENT LANDING SYSTEM RUNWAY 22R LOCALIZER OUT OF
SERVICE WITH EFFECT FROM OR EFFECTIVE FROM 1211062322


So the only CAT III runways (04R & 22L) would be unable to accept any CAT III landings.

Only CAT II landing runway available would be 13L.

Things are still pretty much a mess after the storm for efficient operations in limited visibility conditions.
 
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:35 am

I was working a flight into JFK early this morning. It was about 04:30, and we came VERY close to diverting. In fact we'd pretty much already decided to divert to EWR when the RVR to runway 13L came up juuuuuust enough for us to complete the approach. We did a Cat II to an autoland.

It was an eerie approach. The top of the fog layer was at about 500 feet or so, and it was clear on top. You could see the approach and lead-in lights flickering through the murk from above. The weather was perfectly clear except for the last 20 or 30 seconds of the approach.

I had never seen JFK so foggy. Taxiing was a real challenge. Without centerline lights on the taxiways, it would have been more or less impossible.

Commuting home to BOS later in the day, I noticed two LAN 767s parked at the AA gates at Terminal B.


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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:58 am

AV BOG-JFK (A330) was diverted to EWR.
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:05 am

The fog persisted until mid-morning in the tri-state area. I suspect a number of diversions and delays.
By the way, today is anniversary 11 years ago of the crash of AA 587 from JFK.
 
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:12 am

Quoting jcarv (Reply 14):
Both LAN 530 & 532 cancelled this morning. I guess American Airlines was handling them in BOS. Both flights cleared customs and AAL was rebooking passengers to JFK and beyond. There are two flight plans to JFK at 1800 tonight however.

LAN had a 3rd flight divert to BOS earlier, before 530 and 532 but I don't have the flight number. 530 and 532 pax cleared customs in Terminal E and AA handled the departure back to JFK out of Terminal B. I didn't know JFK had 3 LAN flights a day...530 and 532 were not very full either.
 
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:43 am

BUF got two B6 diversions: One from LAX and one from OAK (both to JFK). And two WN diversions from MHT and BOS (both to BWI).
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:33 am

Quoting flyiguy (Reply 13):
IAD got Diversions from WN, FL, DL, B6, & TAM

also UAE203

Anyone know why TAM8078 is still at IAD?

Also on a side note BAW264 just diverted to JFK...
 
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:30 am

Fog is rolling in again tonight.
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RE: JFK Diversions-11/12/12

Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:23 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 18):
By the way, today is anniversary 11 years ago of the crash of AA 587 from JFK.

Wow, thanks for pointing that out.

That was the last large-scale fatal crash involving a US major carrier. * ELEVEN years ago!

That's a record, by the way.

(* Yes, I'm excluding the one fatality from the Southwest overrun at Midway several years back.)


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