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Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:39 pm

Air Transport World reports 4 additional orders for the A358 and upgrades earlier orders to A359.

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Libya-based Afriqiyah Airways (8U) has placed a follow-on order for four Airbus A350 XWBs and converted its earlier order for six A350-800s to the larger A350-900.

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...ah-orders-four-more-a350-xwbs-1112
 
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Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:41 pm

 
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Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:48 pm

By the way, Airbus date this order 1st October on their O&D spreadsheet.   
 
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Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:27 pm

So that's one customer for the A350-800 having moved away. I wonder how many more will follow.
 
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Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:37 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
So that's one customer for the A350-800 having moved away. I wonder how many more will follow.

Symbolically I think that the HA A358 order is important in this respect, they went Airbus for their fleet renewal and have done very nicely with the A330 and at the same time placed A350-800 orders. The 358 is an aircraft that works really well for them as they look at opening up direct routes to Europe, it has a real logic in terms of PAX, range and seat per mile costs if Airbus get them to convert to the A359 I will begin to believe that the -800 is dead.
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Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:47 pm

Why does Afriqiyah want 10 A350s? Seems a bit over the top for an airline who have so far only operated small numbers of widebodies.
 
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Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:05 pm

As I understand, Afriqiyah will be merging with Libyan Airlines next year - who also have 4 A358 orders. Will these be carried over or just cancelled in favour of the 4 A359s just ordered? Libyan's order is still on the Airbus books.
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:38 pm

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 5):
Symbolically I think that the HA A358 order is important in this respect, they went Airbus for their fleet renewal and have done very nicely with the A330 and at the same time placed A350-800 orders. The 358 is an aircraft that works really well for them as they look at opening up direct routes to Europe, it has a real logic in terms of PAX, range and seat per mile costs if Airbus get them to convert to the A359 I will begin to believe that the -800 is dead.

I disagree. I think if Airbus can convince US and QR to convert to the A359 than the A358 is dead.

As of now there are 112 A358 orders (which includes KF's order of 5 which, let's be honest, is as good as dead), hasn't had a new customer since July 2008, and nobody apparently wants it before 2016. The clock is ticking on this model.
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:29 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
So that's one customer for the A350-800 having moved away. I wonder how many more will follow.

Yes it is. But with 6 upgrades and 4 new orders for the A350-XWB program Airbus will not have any problem with this development.   Congrats to all parties involved for securing this deal.
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:38 am

Quoting Polot (Reply 7):
Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 5): Symbolically I think that the HA A358 order is important in this respect, they went Airbus for their fleet renewal and have done very nicely with the A330 and at the same time placed A350-800 orders. The 358 is an aircraft that works really well for them as they look at opening up direct routes to Europe, it has a real logic in terms of PAX, range and seat per mile costs if Airbus get them to convert to the A359 I will begin to believe that the -800 is dead.
I disagree. I think if Airbus can convince US and QR to convert to the A359 than the A358 is dead.

There were rumors that one customer threatens to cancel its entire A350 order if Airbus drops the A358. It sounds very much like a QR (AAB) action, especially since they were very pleased with the last change, adding extra range. However, I feel it could be US, the A359 might be far too much plane and perhaps the 787 would actually be a better fit....
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RE: Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:13 am

Hmmm another -800 to -900 conversion...   
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:52 am

Taken on its own we should not read too much into this concerning the death of the A358.

Afriqah has merely revised its fleet plan to recognise that more people will want to visit Libya post-Gadaffi, and so it will need more, bigger, aircratft.
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:13 am

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 11):
Taken on its own we should not read too much into this concerning the death of the A358.

Afriqah has merely revised its fleet plan to recognise that more people will want to visit Libya post-Gadaffi, and so it will need more, bigger, aircratft.

Exactly, a change in the model mix and a top-up is good going considering that there's been a revolution between these orders being placed and now!
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:47 am

interesting.... I saw an Afriquiyah A340 parked at Perpignan when I drove from my home town of BCN to Cologne past the airport 10 days ago. Does anyone know what is going to happen to it? Also saw an ex-Spanair a320 and a few more planes which I could not identify in the short time frame.
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:55 am

Long range "shrinks" don't work do they? The 747 LR shrink did not, not did the 345 or indeed the 772LR. There may be others too.Whilst a different manrket the 318 and 736 proved uneconomic too.It's (very) tricky for them.A plane that is more economic than the 332 but less than the 788/9 ( it appears at present - although the -9 has yet to fly).

One might ask - why did they offer an aircraft that is less economic than it's nearest compeditor (the 787) unless they felt that the additional range/load was of major impotance to enough potental customers.

As others have said. It appears that the long , thin, point to point theory is more of a mirage.(or a small niche market)
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:05 pm

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 11):
Afriqah has merely revised its fleet plan to recognise that more people will want to visit Libya

I don't think it's about visiting Libya but continuing the original plan to be a north African transfer hub between Europe and the African continent.

The merging of Libyan Airlines and Afriqiyah is very wise and I'm pleased to see them make this order for A350s
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting parapente (Reply 14):

Long range "shrinks" don't work do they?

The A330-200 is a pretty popular shrink.
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:11 pm

Quoting parapente (Reply 14):
One might ask - why did they offer an aircraft that is less economic than it's nearest compeditor (the 787) unless they felt that the additional range/load was of major impotance to enough potential customers.

I think the extra payload/range is Airbus trying to make the best of the situation they find themselves in with that model.

I am of the opinion that the A350-800 will need to have appreciably lower trip costs compared to the A350-900 in order for it to sell.
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:25 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 5):
Why does Afriqiyah want 10 A350s? Seems a bit over the top for an airline who have so far only operated small numbers of widebodies.

With the former ruler tossed into the ash heap of history, the economy should be opening up driving more growth.
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RE: Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:41 pm

Quoting parapente (Reply 14):
As others have said. It appears that the long , thin, point to point theory is more of a mirage.(or a small niche market)

You mean the one we were told was the entire raison d'etre for the 787, and the death knell for the A380?     

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RE: Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs

Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:55 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
So that's one customer for the A350-800 having moved away.

Several former A350-800 customers have already switched. Nearly 40% of -800 orders have vanished in the last three years as customers have migrated upwards.

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