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Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:09 am

On the AA 77E, there's a private crew rest compartment in the middle of the cabin at the end of the first coach cabin. I presume this is for the flight attendants only - the pilots get seat 1A, as I don't think AA has the optional "crew rest upstairs" on their 77E's.

The question is, where is the crew rest going to be on the new 77W planes?
 
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:28 am

As far as I know, all AA's 77Es have a crew rest compartment immediately behind the cockpit on the port side for the pilots. You are correct, AA 77Es do not have the "crown" crew rest areas. Their B77Ws will.
 
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:29 am

I thought the overhead crew rest areas were standard on the 77W?
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:40 am

Yes - the 77W will have forward overhead bunks just aft or 1L/R for Pilots, and a larger one overhead between doors 4-5 for FAs.

The 77E has the main cabin crew bunk room at doors 3 L/R, and a smaller one at 1L for Pilots. The pilots get both a crew bunk, and a first class seat. I highly doubt that when the 77E receives they new configuration, they'll add in overhead bunks. We shall see. Hopefully they'll get this modification done soon, but I'm not holding my breath. Truth be told - the 763 is in dire need of a reconfiguration. Much more than any other type in the fleet.
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:05 am

Quoting N62NA (Thread starter):
The question is, where is the crew rest going to be on the new 77W planes?

One of the FA's on posted a doc hinting about crown rests, but nothing official from AA.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
I thought the overhead crew rest areas were standard on the 77W?

They don't come standard. Crown rests are an option that has to be paid for.
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:40 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 4):

It is official, Rest areas are up above on the 77W
 
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:33 pm

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 3):
I highly doubt that when the 77E receives they new configuration, they'll add in overhead bunks.

The existing midcabin crew will be replaced with a new one in the same location.

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 3):
Hopefully they'll get this modification done soon, but I'm not holding my breath.

Not for a while - the reconfiguration engineering is not done yet.
 
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:46 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
I thought the overhead crew rest areas were standard on the 77W?

It's not standard, but AA will have the aft overhead crew rest on the 77W. There are several options for crew rest locations.

I don't believe there is a pilot crew rest.
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:19 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 7):
I don't believe there is a pilot crew rest.

I'm an AA FA who was qualified on the 77W last month, and there is indeed a pilot crew rest module above the first class cabin, with 2 rest seats and 2 bunks. Pilots will not be entitled to a first class seat in the cabin on the 77W, as we only have 8 seats in first. The FA bunks are above the last zone of coach, there are 8 of them, with no rest seats.
 
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:32 pm

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 3):
Hopefully they'll get this modification done soon, but I'm not holding my breath.

AA still hasn't even finalized the new 772 J seat yet. A while to go on 772 reconfigs.
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:12 pm

It is a part of the union contract that seat 1a on the 77E is for crew rest, make a booking a year out, and you will always see that seat already "taken"
 
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:20 pm

Don't the pilots get two rest seats in F on T7 flights over a certain period of time? I could have sworn I flew F on DFW-NRT a few years ago and the pilots had both 1A and 2A.
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:10 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 9):
AA still hasn't even finalized the new 772 J seat yet. A while to go on 772 reconfigs.

Isn't it going to be the same seat that AA will use for the 77W, minus first class?
 
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:06 am

The pilots are getting their own module on the 77W, that is correct. Also on the 772 they have started giving up their seat only if its for a revenue full fare FC pax. No upg or nonrev if I got it correct from the manager in Bs Aires. But they still have their bunks available.
 
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:24 am

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 12):
Isn't it going to be the same seat that AA will use for the 77W, minus first class?

No. 772 will have a brand new seat to be shared with the 788s. The 763s will have yet another different seat. Combined with the 752 seats, AA will actually have four different J products.
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:39 am

Does anyone have a photo of this crew rest module in the top of the fuselage? I've never seen one but it sounds pretty cool.
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:35 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 11):
Don't the pilots get two rest seats in F on T7 flights over a certain period of time? I could have sworn I flew F on DFW-NRT a few years ago and the pilots had both 1A and 2A.

Yes, they do. Ridiculous.
 
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:04 am

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 8):
Pilots will not be entitled to a first class seat in the cabin on the 77W, as we only have 8 seats in first.

Why is AA reducing F capacity on the 77W when compared to the 77E?

Quoting ordjoe (Reply 10):
It is a part of the union contract that seat 1a on the 77E is for crew rest, make a booking a year out, and you will always see that seat already "taken"

When pulling the seat map up on SABRE, the seat will not show up at all, as if it doesn't exist.

Quoting PresRDC (Reply 16):
Yes, they do. Ridiculous.

Why is that ridiculous?
 
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:42 am

I was under the impression the crew rest area was standard across the board with the exception specific requests from the clients?


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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:54 am

The first two photos above are representative of what AA's crew rest will look like on the 77W: two pilot bunks/chairs and eight F/A bunks.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 17):

The 77E is losing first altogether. It will be reconfigured beginning in 2014 as a two class bird. Also, AA has the largest first class cabin of any carrier on a 777 and 16 seats is simply too many.

Quoting PresRDC (Reply 16):

Four pilots, two rest seats. Sounds reasonable to me.
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:35 pm

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 19):
Four pilots, two rest seats. Sounds reasonable to me.

They also have a bunkroom and jump seats in the cockpit. Two F seats does seem a bit excessive to me.
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:05 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 20):
They also have a bunkroom and jump seats in the cockpit. Two F seats does seem a bit excessive to me.

Have you ever sat in a jumpseat? Would you like to do that for 13 hours?
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:03 pm

What I've heard is that the pilots will get one seat in J class, not F.

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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:06 pm

Quoting jetblast (Reply 21):

Sat in one for 1 hour which was long enough! Can't complain about the view!

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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:11 pm

Do the crew rest areas have their own toilets? Years ago, it appeared to me that the BA B747-400's had their crew rest areas at the very back of the cabin thru locked doors and I thought I heard toilets flushing back there as well.
 
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:49 pm

Why does AA need crew rest for their 77W? Are they deploying them on ULH? LHR isn't ULH. Does any crew members get lucky in the rest areas?
 
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:01 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 4):
They don't come standard. Crown rests are an option that has to be paid for.

One way or another, everything has to be paid for.
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:52 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 25):
Why does AA need crew rest for their 77W? Are they deploying them on ULH? LHR isn't ULH. Does any crew members get lucky in the rest areas?

Generally, flights over eight hours carry one extra pilot, and flights over twelve hours carry two extra pilots. Not sure if that strict of a mandate is by FAR, or by individual company policy/union contract.

Generally, also, F/As get onboard rest facilities on flights over eight hours.
 
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:49 am

Quoting CoachClass (Reply 24):

The tech crew toilets on a B744 are located in the cockpit...

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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:30 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 25):
Why does AA need crew rest for their 77W? Are they deploying them on ULH? LHR isn't ULH.

As soon as you restrict the crew rest facilities, you restrict what the aircraft can do. They may not need them now, but in the future they may. And "already installed" is so much easier than "we have to send them back to Boeing for a refit".

Also, when it comes time to sell the aircraft, it is far easier when it is "industry standard".
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:19 am

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 26):
One way or another, everything has to be paid for.

Yes, but my point was that not every 77W comes with a crown crew rest.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 25):
Why does AA need crew rest for their 77W?

That seems like a strange question. Do you expect FA's to sit in jumpseats during breaks?
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:22 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 29):

This makes the most sense on this thread, thank you.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 30):
That seems like a strange question. Do you expect FA's to sit in jumpseats during breaks?

On all UA trans-atlantic flights I do on their 757 they do. Or else if the company is gracious enough to block a certain time they cabin crew get the last 3 seats in rear of a/c.
 
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:32 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 31):
On all UA trans-atlantic flights I do on their 757 they do.

And the same with us at BA on the 767....however flights like DFW-NRT are far too long for that. I have yet to meet anyone who can get adequate rest on a 13-hour flight sitting in a jumpseat.
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:58 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 31):
On all UA trans-atlantic flights I do on their 757 they do.

So you're saying that because FA's don't have a crew rest on a six hour flight to Europe, that 10+ hour flights to China, Japan, and Australia shouldn't? Sorry, but I still don't see your logic.
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:05 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 31):
On all UA trans-atlantic flights I do on their 757 they do

The vast majority of 757 flights in question, though, are under 8.5 hours. Therefore the crew aren't entitled to a "break". If they choose to sit in the jumpseat between services then that's different, but technically they are still working.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 31):
Or else if the company is gracious enough to block a certain time they cabin crew get the last 3 seats in rear of a/c.

I'm guessing that this is only on routes such as TXL-EWR and CDG-IAD right?

That's because those routes are blocked at over 8.5 hours and therefore there is a statutory requirement for the crew to get a rest break. This isn't because the airline was feeling "gracious" or in a good mood.
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:57 pm

Quoting CoachClass (Reply 24):
Do the crew rest areas have their own toilets? Years ago, it appeared to me that the BA B747-400's had their crew rest areas at the very back of the cabin thru locked doors and I thought I heard toilets flushing back there as well.

About half the BA744 have a lav in their door 5 overhead crewrest.
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RE: Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W

Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:40 am

Crew rest seats are essential. Jumpseats aren't called "ironing boards" for no reason at all. About eight years ago I had the "privilege" of riding a jump seat NBO-CAI-SNN-JFK. No one should be forced to do that. Working crew on long-haul flights need a break. Most if not all carriers now have crew rest areas or seats.
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