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Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:23 pm

Seems G-VGEM is back , when are VLUV and VINE returning to VS?
 
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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:03 pm

G-VINE is already back with VS:


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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:07 pm

G-VINE already back and is service with beach fleet at Gatwick/Manchester


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Only G-VLUV left to be returned/delivered of the ten ordered 333s

Right now operating HKG-TPE as CAL904 it is due back in the next few weeks .

Current allocation

G-VGBR HEATHROW
G-VGEM MANCHESTER PAINT SHOP
G-VINE BEACH FLEET (LGW/MAN)
G-VKSS BEACH FLEET (LGW/MAN)
G-VRAY HEATHROW
G-VSXY BEACH FLEET (LGW/MAN)
G-VNYC HEATHROW
G-VUFO ZURICH FITTING OUT PRE- ENTRY INTO SERVICE
G-VWAG HEATHROW
 
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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:01 pm

With the CI planes are VS moving the PE seats to the front from the middle cabin? WTH did CI put them in the middle anyway??
 
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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:11 pm

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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:29 pm

All 330's will be in the same 3 class config by the end of next year. I believe Vine will be first in March/April.
 
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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:11 pm

Were they always supposed to be 3 class but the delays in the seats forced them to have some 2 class birds for a while or did the market change in MCO etc requiring upper class.
 
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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:18 pm

Didn't Ryan International have one of VS 330's at one point. Does it still have it?
 
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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:21 pm

Quoting LV (Reply 7):
Didn't Ryan International have one of VS 330's at one point. Does it still have it?



that was GVINE which is apparently back with VS already
 
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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:26 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 6):

They were always going to be three class, but to avoid delivery delays 2 were fitted with a 2 class cabin and put into service on leisure routes, primarily Orlando. This actually proved useful as it allowed the leisure B744s to be refurbished in quick succession.

Starting in march the three leisure configured A330s will be reconfigured to a 3 class config, as was always the intention. The aircraft will then be rotated on a combination of LHR and higher premium demand leisure routes from LGW.

Quoting LV (Reply 7):

Yes. That was G-VINE. it's already in service with VS
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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:54 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 3):
G-VGEM MANCHESTER PAINT SHOP
thevssource.com reports this positioning MAN-ZRH yesterday (16/11/)
 
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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:36 pm

Quoting Auchmithie (Reply 10):
thevssource.com reports this positioning MAN-ZRH yesterday (16/11/)

Thats correct it came out of Air Livery and was replaced by G-VGOE - A346 as thats getting new revised livery.

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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:50 pm

Quoting jetset7e7 (Reply 11):

Do you mean G-VOGE? It's getting painted all white. It's being returned to its lessor and will be ferried to LDE.
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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:48 am

Quoting trex8 (Reply 3):
With the CI planes are VS moving the PE seats to the front from the middle cabin? WTH did CI put them in the middle anyway??

Yes. The new UCS product was delayed, and it's far cheaper/easier to simply remove one cabin of Y seats to retrofit the new J seats than to remove a cabin of W and a cabin of Y and fit both J and W in their new cabins.
 
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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:40 am

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 12):

Do you mean G-VOGE? It's getting painted all white. It's being returned to its lessor and will be ferried to LDE.

Apologises yes bad typo G-VOGE, it has recently undergone maintanence prior to return to lessor.. then for disposal.

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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:56 am

Quoting jetset7e7 (Reply 14):
Apologises yes bad typo G-VOGE, it has recently undergone maintanence prior to return to lessor.. then for disposal.

Disposal? Are you sure? It is being returned to the leasing company, and AFAIK being stored at LDE pending possibly finding a new home.

Whilst they may ultimately end up being scrapped I don't believe that this is the current plan, and efforts will first concentrate on leasing them to another carrier.
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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:15 am

Disposal doesn't necessarily mean scrapping !
 
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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:48 am

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 16):
Disposal doesn't necessarily mean scrapping !

No, fair point. Maybe its just me, but considering all previous references were to the aircraft being returned to the lessor, I read the "then for disposal" point as a further action after its return to the leasing company - as if they were intending to dispose of the aircraft/airframe (which isnt the same as saying VS were disposing of its services)

Anyway, the intention is very much to find a new home for these aircraft. Undoubtedly they will be tricky to shift but equally the lease rates will be low and they have been well looked after.

At some point they will cross a line whereby they will make more money as scrap. A sad fate for such a nice (and relatively rare) aircraft, but ultimately its purely a financial transaction designed to get the most return for the owners.

As an aside, it would be interesting to know if these aircraft were ever profitable for the leasing company. VS got an EXTREMELY good deal initially. Now they face either being leased at even lower rates, sold cheaply, or scrapped. It doesnt seem to me that they ever had a period where they were generating a healthy return to the owners (Airbus leasing?) although that in turn depends on how much they paid for them to start with.....
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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:40 pm

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 17):
As an aside, it would be interesting to know if these aircraft were ever profitable for the leasing company. VS got an EXTREMELY good deal initially. Now they face either being leased at even lower rates, sold cheaply, or scrapped. It doesnt seem to me that they ever had a period where they were generating a healthy return to the owners (Airbus leasing?) although that in turn depends on how much they paid for them to start with.....

If Airbus own them they can dangle them as an interim lift incentive till some carrier gets their A359/A35Js! A can eat the low lease rates if it gets them an order for A350s! Might even turn some carriers looking to replace 744s off the 747-8, which is available sooner, and wait for a A35J.
 
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RE: Return Of Leased VS A330s

Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:42 pm

Disposal from Virgin fleet, back to lessor
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