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American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:21 am

The story about the American Eagle Saab 340 storage facility in Abilene is fascinating. It has seemed an unlikely place for an airliner boneyard, in West Texas.

I've wanted to see it for myself, and had the opportunity recently. I've posted a few photos I shot, at ...

http://www.planesofthepast.com/abilene-regional-airport.htm
 
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:37 am

Interesting article. I still think there is a future for the Saab 340s. Especially the B and B+ models.   
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:11 am

I was there the last weekend of October.

Sad to see the planes deteoriating.
 
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:45 am

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 1):
Interesting article. I still think there is a future for the Saab 340s. Especially the B and B+ models.

How much support do the aircraft still get from Saab Aerospace? That's a big factor. At least they aren't orphaned aircraft like the Dornier 328 and 328JET, those aircraft became really expensive to maintain after Fairchild-Dornier went under.

The Saab is a workhorse and it's a shame nobody wants to operate them (at least in the U.S.). I think the only way we will truly see these aircraft make a comeback is if it involves some sort of modernization program that improves performance and economics.
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:13 am

You should check out the EMB-120 Brasilia boneyard in Hot Springs Ark. There's about 40 of the parked out there ASA colors. Who ever owns them seems to keep these planes running and maintained and doing periodic engine run-ups. But they're parked out there on the airport ramps at HOT.
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:29 pm

Quoting JBo (Reply 3):
At least they aren't orphaned aircraft like the Dornier 328 and 328JET,

IIRC Ruag Aerospace has bought the Dornier MX business. There were rumors that they were going to restart the Do228.
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:11 pm

Quoting JBo (Reply 3):
some sort of modernization program that improves performance and economics.

Allow me!


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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:21 pm

At XJ, I did more than 500 flights on the Saab 340 and loved every last minute of it. It was very sad to see it go, but nice to see Silver pick up a few of them. Passengers loved the aircraft, the crews, airport staff, etc. were always very close. Too bad to see the end of an era to some extent.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 6):

At XJ, several of our managers had scale model Saab 2000's in XJ/NW colors. Always wish it would have come true  
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:34 pm

I always wonered why AE took their Saab 340s out of service?
 
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:06 pm

The Saab 2000 is not approved to operate under an airline in the US by the FAA. I know a few that have looked into adding it, but due to a limited number of airframes and the cost with getting it approved they have all passed. It's an awesome aircraft and very fast.

[Edited 2012-11-18 14:10:59]
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:29 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
The Saab 2000 is not approved to operate under an airline in the US by the FAA.

Are there underlying issues, or is jut a matter of not being approved because no one's asked?
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:54 pm

Just saw this article ... might bring a new life and purpose to the Saab 340 and other similar aircraft.

http://www.npr.org/2012/11/28/166087...es-come-back-amid-high-fuel-prices
 
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:10 pm

The rumor is wil be seeing some of these ex-AE Saab 340B's down at SJU come next year as Seaborne takes over Eagle flying. What is yet to be seen is if Seaborne will fly as an "Eagle" carrier using AE livery or their own.
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:42 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 10):

No...no issues. Just no one has gone through the process
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:49 am

I've seen a few corporate Saab 2000's in the US.
 
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:09 am

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 14):

They don't fly under part 121 so there is no need to go through all of the FAA hoops to get certified
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:20 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
The Saab 2000 is not approved to operate under an airline in the US by the FAA. I know a few that have looked into adding it, but due to a limited number of airframes and the cost with getting it approved they have all passed. It's an awesome aircraft and very fast.

Weren't y'all working on a bunch of 340's the last time I was down there? I can't remember the entire story, but if my memory serves me correctly, they were from NW Airlink and going all the way to Australia when you were done with them...REX I think was who was taking them. How many of those birds did you guys work on?
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:49 am

Quoting miaskies (Reply 12):
The rumor is wil be seeing some of these ex-AE Saab 340B's down at SJU come next year as Seaborne takes over Eagle flying. What is yet to be seen is if Seaborne will fly as an "Eagle" carrier using AE livery or their own.

They will get three ex-Calm Air Saab 340Bs:
340B-166: N327SA
340B-336: N336SA
340B-351: Still with Calm Air as C-FSPB
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:34 am

Quoting miaskies (Reply 12):

Yes, I think that as Seaborne acquires some saabs that they will partner/codeshare with a larger carrier in SJU...it might not be AA/AE though...
 
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:27 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 5):
IIRC Ruag Aerospace has bought the Dornier MX business. There were rumors that they were going to restart the Do228.

Off topic:

They are doing DO 228 MX only and the NG is already available, see:

http://www.ruag.com/do228ng_en/Do_228NG/Do_228NG
 
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:38 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 15):
They don't fly under part 121 so there is no need to go through all of the FAA hoops to get certified

Even though not operated by any 121 certificated air carriers, the Saab 2000 is fully certified to do so. In fact, unless someone wants to get an experimental aircraft waiver, any plane that carries passengers be it under Part 91 (owner/operator), Part 135 (commuter/on demand), or Part 121 (domestic, flag, and supplemental) has to be certified.

The Saab 2000's FAA Type Certificate Data Sheet lists it as being certified under Part 25 which is AIRWORTHINESS STANDARDS: TRANSPORT CATEGORY AIRPLANES.
 
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:57 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
The Saab 2000 is not approved to operate under an airline in the US by the FAA. I know a few that have looked into adding it, but due to a limited number of airframes and the cost with getting it approved they have all passed. It's an awesome aircraft and very fast.
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 10):
Are there underlying issues, or is jut a matter of not being approved because no one's asked?
Quoting asqx (Reply 20):
Even though not operated by any 121 certificated air carriers, the Saab 2000 is fully certified to do so. In fact, unless someone wants to get an experimental aircraft waiver, any plane that carries passengers be it under Part 91 (owner/operator), Part 135 (commuter/on demand), or Part 121 (domestic, flag, and supplemental) has to be certified.

The Saab 2000's FAA Type Certificate Data Sheet lists it as being certified under Part 25 which is AIRWORTHINESS STANDARDS: TRANSPORT CATEGORY AIRPLANES.

As I recall, Air Marshall Islands did operate the Saab 2000 on a U.S. 121 Certificate. At least think they had a U.S. Certificate...

I sometimes kick myself for passing on the chance to ride on one of their Saab 2000 flights.
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:53 pm

Private Saab 2000s swing by MHK from time to time. It is an absolutely stunning airplane, inside it feels like a Thoroughbred. A plane surely a few years before it's time. Imagine if legacies had bought fleets of Saabs 2000's to replace the 340s and short-range ERJs and CRJs? Maybe the day will come. Bombardier and ATR seem to have a tough time cracking the US legacy market with the turbos.
 
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RE: American Eagle Saab Storage In Abilene TX

Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:02 am

Here's a story done by our local paper a couple of years ago about the planes.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/201...rops-wait-till-they-may-fly-again/
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