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Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:47 am

DL/NW flew SFO-YVR, SFO-FRA, SFO-GDL from WA, LAX-KHH, LAX-OSA, LAX-YVR, LAX-FRA, LAX-HKG, and a slough to Mexico... Also LAS-NRT... What gives?? There's SO much potential. Correct me if I missed any...
 
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:05 am

Everything Portland on Delta....Tokyo, Seoul, Taipei, Nagoya, Fukuoka and they announced but not sure they flew Kansai. They also had Vancouver. Northwest served Seattle - London, Hong Kong and Seoul.
 
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:20 am

Super, you're right. Totally for forgot about SEA. I think anyone that doesn't know about the PDX debacle has had their head in the sand. Those SEA routes should work if put back. I can remember PA, BA, UA all flew SEA-LON.
 
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:29 am

Quoting SuperDash (Reply 1):
Everything Portland on Delta....Tokyo, Seoul, Taipei, Nagoya, Fukuoka and they announced but not sure they flew Kansai. They also had Vancouver. Northwest served Seattle - London, Hong Kong and Seoul.

One of Ron Allen's plans at the time was to make TPE an Asian hub, but it never got beyond the planning stages, IIRC.
They also flew PDX-BKK (with several stops between), PDX-HKG (I believe) and SLC-YVR.
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:11 am

NW also did LAX-SEL

DL had LAX-NGO

You can also add in the recent LAX-GRU attempt by DL.

Plus all the Mexico and Central America flying that has been dropped - LAX-MEX, LAX-MGA, LAX-BZE, LAX-SAL, LAX-LIR etc, etc, etc..

Quoting olddominion727 (Thread starter):
LAX-KHH,

    Never heard of LAX-Kaohsiung before.

Quoting olddominion727 (Thread starter):
SFO-FRA

When was this ? I know they did LAX-FRA, but dont think they did SFO-FRA.
Even PA did not do SFO-FRA, instead routing via LAX.
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:22 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Never heard of LAX-Kaohsiung before.

I believe it was flown very briefly in the late 90's, but it was EVA and not DL or NW.
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:27 am

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 5):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4): Never heard of LAX-Kaohsiung before.
I believe it was flown very briefly in the late 90's, but it was EVA and not DL or NW.

I don't believe I ever heard of us (DL) flying this route. If anything it was LAX-TPE.
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:01 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Plus all the Mexico and Central America flying that has been dropped - LAX-MEX, LAX-MGA, LAX-BZE, LAX-SAL, LAX-LIR etc, etc, etc..

What equipment did they use LAX-BZE?
 
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:16 am

DL flew SFO- FRA 91'-92' on a L15
 
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:21 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
LAX-MEX, LAX-MGA, LAX-BZE, LAX-SAL, LAX-LIR etc, etc, etc..

I just don't remember DL flying from LAX to Central America.....when was this?
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:38 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
SFO-FRA

When was this ? I know they did LAX-FRA, but dont think they did SFO-FRA.
Even PA did not do SFO-FRA, instead routing via LAX.

An uncle, who showed up late for his FRA-LAX-SAN flight on DL, was rerouted by DL onto a FRA-SFO-LAX-SAN routing. His FRA-SFO portion was on an L-1011. This was in 1994 or 1995.
 
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:15 am

Quoting crj200faguy (Reply 7):
What equipment did they use LAX-BZE?

Either 738 or 757. Dont have a timetable to refer to.

Quoting legacyins (Reply 8):
DL flew SFO- FRA 91'-92' on a L15

Thanks for that.

Guess it did not last as long as FRA-LAX.

Quoting mayor (Reply 9):
I just don't remember DL flying from LAX to Central America.....when was this?

One of the many dart board exercises.

Here is thread discussing routes like MGA, LIR, GUA, and several Mexico RJs
Additional Delta LAX Flights (by Panamair Sep 13 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Some of these attempted routes lasted mere months.
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:35 am

DL discontinued PDX-HNL last year.
 
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:04 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
One of the many dart board exercises.

Many of those "dart board" exercises, that you are so quick to disparage, certainly have made DL alot of money in the last three years or so.
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:11 am

[quote=mayor,reply=3]They also flew PDX-BKK (with several stops between), PDX-HKG (I believe) and SLC-YVR.[/quote

They never flew PDX-HKG. Only LAX-ANC-HKG on an MD-11.]
 
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:59 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 13):
Many of those "dart board" exercises, that you are so quick to disparage, certainly have made DL alot of money in the last three years or so.

Sure Delta might land a gem here or there, but how many of these exercises ended up as lemons?

Be fun to figure out a ratio, but atleast with LAX, DL has made lemonade in more markets then gems. We can write a novel listing them all. Even some that appear to stick around get dropped, come back intermittently etc..

Yes thats a great way to build a market and consumer awareness. Frankly besides a serving ATL, I'm not sure one can count on DL having any flights that are a sure thing to stick around here.
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:21 am

Quoting SuperDash (Reply 1):
Everything Portland on Delta....Tokyo

DL itself dropped this long ago, but NW ran it, and it still operates today. Am I missing something here?

Also, IIRC, DL ran PDX-FRA as a 1-stop (through CVG) for a little while. That in itself might not count, but I mention it only because the local press made a big deal out of it being same plane/flight number service...
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:46 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 3):
They also flew PDX-BKK (with several stops between),

PDX-SEL-TPE-BKK was the routing into BKK, first with L15's then M11's, BKK was the first city that DL dropped in Asia.

Quoting mayor (Reply 3):
PDX-HKG (I believe)

Nope, never happened, 100% sure. LAX-ANC-HKG and later LAX-HKG non-stop.

Quoting mayor (Reply 3):
and SLC-YVR.

Yes, as well as PDX-YVR, a hold over from the WA merger. Which lasted through the Portland hub years, IIRC.

Quoting legacyins (Reply 8):
DL flew SFO- FRA 91'-92' on a L15

First time I ever heard about a SFO-FRA flight on DL, an old PA route I guess.

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 16):
IIRC, DL ran PDX-FRA as a 1-stop (through CVG) for a little while.

The aircraft begun in Asia to PDX then CVG and FRA. I took the PDX-CVG flight a few times, great business for 4 hours

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 16):
Quoting SuperDash (Reply 1):Everything Portland on Delta....Tokyo
DL itself dropped this long ago, but NW ran it, and it still operates today. Am I missing something here?

I think what SuperDash was referring to, was DL's PDX hub in the early 90's that DL had, with up to 5 daily departures to Asia, as well as connecting flights from PDX to LAX, SFO, SEA, LAS, YVR, SLC, ATL, DFW, JFK, BOI, BOS.

DL also used to run a SEA-LAX flight on an L-1011

http://www.departedflights.com/DL103182.html

and NW flew SEA-LAX-SAN, PDX-SFO-LAS, SEA-DEN

http://www.departedflights.com/NW060983.html
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:01 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 17):
I think what SuperDash was referring to, was DL's PDX hub in the early 90's

Kinda figured that, but since it said "DL/NW," I thought I'd ask...
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:02 pm

Quoting ocracoke (Reply 10):
An uncle, who showed up late for his FRA-LAX-SAN flight on DL, was rerouted by DL onto a FRA-SFO-LAX-SAN routing. His FRA-SFO portion was on an L-1011. This was in 1994 or 1995.

It was stopped by 1994, so it was 93 or early 94 that your uncle was on it.
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:17 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 17):
DL also used to run a SEA-LAX flight on an L-1011

For that matter, DL also operated a LAX-SFO flight, an L1011 as a tag end......a non-rev special. The time period, I don't remember.
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:22 pm

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 16):
DL itself dropped this long ago, but NW ran it, and it still operates today. Am I missing something here?

And service to Tokyo wasn't continuous. DL dropped it....then many years later NW added it and lo and behold, it's DL again. NW also had a better Asia structure to support it, but for most of the year the 767 is the best airplane. One of the positives of the merger - having the right sized airplane for the route.
 
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:03 am

DL flies it now, but NW also flew LAX-SYD in the early 90s, both nonstop and via HNL.

They also flew LAX-TPE for a short while with a 744. And the DC-10 milk run that routed MSP-LAX-HNL-GUM-TPE.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
NW also did LAX-SEL

Which continued to (depending on the day of the week) either HKG or BKK, or sometimes MNL, IIRC.
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:13 am

WA also flew YVR-GEG just before the merger with DL. I can't remember if DL ever operated it post merger. WA flew PHX-PVR/MZT at the time of the merger as well.
 
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:19 am

Quoting SuperDash (Reply 21):
And service to Tokyo wasn't continuous. DL dropped it....then many years later NW added it and lo and behold, it's DL again. NW also had a better Asia structure to support it, but for most of the year the 767 is the best airplane. One of the positives of the merger - having the right sized airplane for the route

And before DL flew PDX-NRT the first time, UA flew PDX-NRT once a week (Tuesday in both directions) on a 742.

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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:32 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Quoting olddominion727 (Thread starter):
LAX-KHH,

Never heard of LAX-Kaohsiung before.

NW did fly into KHH around 2001 or so, but not non-stop from LAX. I think it was a NRT route. I recall seeing it in their timetable. Not sure of the entire date range.
 
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:42 am

Quoting bohica (Reply 23):
WA also flew YVR-GEG just before the merger with DL. I can't remember if DL ever operated it post merger.

Actually it was a SLC-GEG-YVR route and we did operate it for a short time after the merger. Then, for some reason, I believe that another airline was awarded the route, nonstop from SLC. Later we did operate it as a nonstop, again. I remember because I was working "export" at SLC cargo and would have to prepare the cargo paperwork, etc. for each flight (also YYC and YEG).
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:49 am

FRA flights made sense when DL first took over PA's Frankfurt mini-hub. However with the current dominance of Star Alliance at FRA, DL's resources are better concentrated on SkyTeam hubs at CDG and AMS, either with their own metal or through AF/KL.
 
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:49 am

I recall Delta having a decent route network during the 90s from LAX to variety of Mexican cities: MZT, GDL, PVR, ZIH, ACA, and the one and only MEX #1. Such a same that GDL & maybe PVR remain to this date. Yet, during 2000s with Delta offerred flights to other Mexican cities like CUL, SJD, and surprisingly TIJ. I may be missing some cities.

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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:01 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 25):
NW did fly into KHH around 2001 or so, but not non-stop from LAX. I think it was a NRT route.

Yes indeed, I did know they flew to KHH, just never heard of a LAX nonstop.
KHH was initially launched via KIX using a DC-10 4x weekly as a tag flight and later moved to NRT on A320 daily, but was dropped in 2003.

KHH is one of many Asia network markets which have been dropped - KUL, SGN, PUS etc..
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:11 am

Quoting bohica (Reply 23):
WA flew PHX-PVR/MZT at the time of the merger as well.

I bet that was quickly dropped at the time.
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:27 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 30):
Quoting bohica (Reply 23): WA flew PHX-PVR/MZT at the time of the merger as well.
I bet that was quickly dropped at the time.

Probably, but I do remember us operating PVR/MZT out of SLC for awhile after the merger, but I don't remember how long it lasted.
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:47 am

Confused. So what's the summary? Net net?

DL/NW west coast (LAX, SFO, PDX, SEA) to Asia and Europe. Loss or gain?
 
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:14 am

Quoting SuperDash (Reply 21):
And service to Tokyo wasn't continuous. DL dropped it....then many years later NW added it and lo and behold, it's DL again.

Yeah, I know. I used to work the NW flights.They started in '04. I'm just curious why this particular routing is in the "defunct" pile...
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RE: Defunct West Coast INT'L Routes On DL/NW?

Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:56 am

Quoting crj200faguy (Reply 7):
What equipment did they use LAX-BZE?
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Either 738 or 757. Dont have a timetable to refer to.

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