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A380 Production Thread Part 13

Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:55 am

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:46 pm

KarelXWB reply 252 thread part 12:

MSN108 EK #27 rolled out at XFW
- MSN110 EK #29 undergoing customer flights, delivery rumoured for November 30
- MSN111 EK #30 rolled out at XFW
- MSN112 EK #31 inside the paint shop, roll out is eminent

What about MSN109? Is that #28 for EK? What stage is it at?

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:52 pm

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 1):

What about MSN109? Is that #28 for EK? What stage is it at?

Delivered 09.11. according to the Hamburg spotters:
http://www.aviation-community.de/for...c.php?f=16&t=4110&p=110248#p110242
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:13 pm

I'm sure it has been asked before but I haven't seen the answer. Why no MSN97?
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:16 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
I'm sure it has been asked before but I haven't seen the answer. Why no MSN97?

The A380 Production List site doesn't have any information, but I wonder if it was assigned to one of the freighters? Or from a customer that cancelled a passenger plane.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:18 am

When is MSN93 Thai Airways HS-TUB supposed to the delivered and flown to Bangkok ?
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:51 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
I wonder if it was assigned to one of the freighters? Or from a customer that cancelled a passenger plane.

Must be something like that. I'd be curious to know.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:19 am

I thought I'd ask on here:

What was an apparently unfinished A380 doing in Dresden in September?


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Is that a normal stopover during the production/fitting process?
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:38 am

The A380 is Dresden is MSN5001, the fatigue test airframe.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/0690350/L/
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:36 am

Oh, right. Forgot about that one. Thanks.

Though I didn't know they would keep the rig up that long after certification.
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:33 am

Quoting francoflier (Reply 7):
What was an apparently unfinished A380 doing in Dresden in September?

Wondering if you selected the wrong picture? That is not an A380...
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:39 am

Quoting tak (Reply 10):
Wondering if you selected the wrong picture? That is not an A380...

Check out the back ground.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:51 am

I guess I should have said it's hidden behind the scarred A300 walking out of surgery...
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:56 am

@ francoflier, My apologies    , I did not look carefully...
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:44 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 9):
Though I didn't know they would keep the rig up that long after certification

Because it's the fatigue aircraft testing, which continues long after the certification is done
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:07 pm

Soon some new versions of the A380 will be produced offering different weight variants:

From: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ewest-a380-weight-variants-379235/

Three additional weight variants - designated WV006, WV007 and WV008 - have been included in a revision of the airframer's technical information. WV008 at 575 tons is now the highest weight variant to be offered to customers.  
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:27 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 15):
Three additional weight variants - designated WV006, WV007 and WV008 - have been included in a revision of the airframer's technical information.

As I expected, WV006 is the 573t MTOW variant.

WV007 looks to be for high-density regional missions as it has the lowest MTOW (492t) and ties for the highest MZFW (395t).

The 575t WV008 equals the RTO test with 16 main braking units, so to go any higher they will need to add the final four, which would then support TOWs of upwards of 625t.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:36 pm

MSN124, BA's #3, is confirmed as the aircraft on convoy 27,
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:04 pm

When will the modified wing with the final fix for the crack issue go into production?
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:14 pm

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 18):
When will the modified wing with the final fix for the crack issue go into production?

TC expects the new wing in Jan 2014, but the fix has not yet been certified by EASA. The permanent fix will restore the 380 to its full lifecycle of 90,000 hours.

Clark points out that it is key for Airbus to receive European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) certification for the new design soon. “If you are coming up with a new wing in Jan. 14, you are not far away from production start.

I'd expect production to commence later this year.

EK #45 will be the first one delivered with the new wings.


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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:44 pm

MSN113, EK's #32' had its first flight today, which also was the transfer flight to XFW for outfitting
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:53 pm

TG has taken delivery of MSN093, their second frame.

Next up:

- MSN096 KE #6 at TLS delivery centre
- MSN100 TG #3 rolled out at XFW
- MSN108 EK #27 rolled out at XFW
- MSN110 EK #29 undergoing customer flights, delivery rumoured for November 30
- MSN111 EK #30 rolled out at XFW
- MSN112 EK #31 rolled out at XFW, rejected take-off test today

[Edited 2012-11-26 10:53:51]
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:29 am

MSN094, MH's 5th, rolled out from outfitting yesterday. Apperently in full livery. Took 11 weeks, which is the fastest frame so far

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
TG has taken delivery of MSN093, their second frame

Delivery flight was yesterday

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
MSN110 EK #29 undergoing customer flights, delivery rumoured for November 30

Seems to be leaving for DXB today, unless there has been some last minutes changes
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:15 pm

MSN110 delivery flight http://fr24.com/UAE7380

Airbus delivered 3 A380 aircraft in November:

MSN093 TG #2
MSN109 EK #28
MSN110 EK #29

Status of the 5 remaining frames for this year:

- MSN096 KE #6 at TLS delivery centre
- MSN100 TG #3 at TLS delivery centre
- MSN108 EK #27 rolled out at XFW
- MSN111 EK #30 rolled out at XFW
- MSN112 EK #31 flying from XFW

[Edited 2012-11-30 13:15:46]
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:15 pm

Update, Airbus delivered MSN096 KE #6 and MSN108 EK #27 is now flying.

26 deliveries for the current year and 4 to go:

- MSN100 TG #3 at TLS delivery centre
- MSN108 EK #27 flying from XFW
- MSN111 EK #30 rolled out at XFW
- MSN112 EK #31 flying from XFW

[Edited 2012-12-04 07:17:11]
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:37 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
26 deliveries for the current year

Which matches 2011's delivery rate.   
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:05 pm

Airbus' CEO Bregier confirms in a Reuters interview that the delivery target for 2013 is less than 30.

Quote:

Airbus expects to meet a target of delivering 30 superjumbos in 2012 as it catches up from a slowdown caused by the flaws in several components on each wing. Next year, deliveries could slip below 30 before exceeding that level in 2014, Bregier said. Airbus is sticking to a breakeven goal for the A380 by 2015.

Source:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...rbus-bregier-idUSBRE8B21AE20121203
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:55 pm

Quoting Focker (Reply 26):
Airbus' CEO Bregier confirms in a Reuters interview that the delivery target for 2013 is less than 30.

Less? Spontaneously I thought you mixed up "less" with "more than" but it's actually true. The reason might be that during summer 2012 there was a long period of time (some weeks if not months) when they had stopped the wings production and when they didn't deliver any wings to TLS and the final assembly line was almost empty. This had no affect on the 2012-production but on the 2013-production.

Some weeks ago I found a report about Airbus' supplier for the hatracks (Diehl) and they said that in 2013 they will deliver sets for 32 A 380s to XFW. However, this doesn't mean that Airbus will deliver 32 A 380s in 2013 because the sets delivered at the end of 2013 will be for 2014-deliveries.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:09 pm

Precisely. All 2012 frames were already in FAL when Airbus slowed down the convoys.
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:04 pm

Interesting news on airliners.de: EFW, in charge of A300 (and future A330) freighter conversions at DRS, is bidding for A380 wing repair work. It is rumored that they could perform wing repairs of 9 EK A380's in 2013.

http://www.airliners.de/technik/mro/efw-will-a380-reparieren/28625

This would help offload the FAL by creating additional capacity for wing work. Looks like a pretty good arrangement to me if it goes forward.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:55 pm

Msn 133, another one for EK, is confirmed being on convoy 28/2012.

Btw: anyone know what happened to the forum at A380production?
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:03 pm

Quoting someone83 (Reply 30):
Btw: anyone know what happened to the forum at A380production?
http://www.facebook.com/a380production/posts/10151201030419825
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:54 am

MSN126, KE #7, har rolled out from the FAL in TLS. Used 11 weeks, which is the fastest KE frame so far

Deliveries for the next ones for EK, 108, 111 and 112 should be imminent and some of them is supposed to have had their customer acceptance flight. The same applies to MSN100, TG's #3
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:35 pm

Update:

- MSN108 A6-EEA delivery flight http://fr24.com/UAE7380
- MSN100 HS-TUC is now wearing its final registration http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8287475930/

28 deliveries for 2012 so far, 2 to go (MSN111 & MSN112).
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:16 am

MSN116, EK's #33, was transfered to XFW for outfitting earlier this week
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:53 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 33):
Update:
- MSN100 HS-TUC is now wearing its final registration http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8287475930/

Delivery flight to BKK 20/12
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:34 am

The delivery flight of MSN112, the 30th whalejet for EK, is scheduled for today.
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Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:06 am

MSN111 EK #31 delivery confirmed for today.
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:20 am

Target met, 30th for the year delivered, as confirmed by Airbus -

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...very-target-as-new-orders-lag.html
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:22 am

From that article

"....concern a component in the aircraft’s wing is prone to cracking. Regulators are expected to approve a fix to the wing flaw early next year."

There isn't concern that a component is prone to cracking, it's a fact it's prone to cracking, and there is a manufacturing fix that has been developed for it. It would probably be in production already except that there is the approval process that has to be followed. For wings manufactured with the fault, the fix is being applied after the plane has finished manufacturing, or later at the buyers convenience.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:41 pm

@ RicknRoll: I noticed the same section in that article. It's actually bad news. Airbus was hoping to get the approval at the end of this year. So I suppose they still have to build the wings acc. to the old design, meaning that with every month delay of the approval they have to repair two additional airframes (unless they stop the wing production again), correct?

Anyhow, congratulation for delivering 30 A 380s in 2012.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:15 pm

Approval for the wing fix is on track for January 2013.
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:28 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 41):
Approval for the wing fix is on track for January 2013.

That is good news.  
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:12 pm

Happy new year to all a-netters!

Sorry if this has been posted before but I don't think I have seen this here before.
Airbus is extending their A 380 facilities in XFW. See this picture: http://v2.airplaneupload.de/display-i7032bjp8xq.html
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:23 pm

Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting. This is part of the production ramp-up plans.
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:00 pm

Quoting india1 (Reply 38):

Target met, 30th for the year delivered, as confirmed by Airbus -

Excellent. What is the target for 2013 after wing crack delays?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting. This is part of the production ramp-up plans.


Good to hear. That should allow for an increase in production.

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:57 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):

Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting

So the pressure on the cabin outfitting process can be better handled? This means no flights to Hamburg for the A380's which will be outfitted here in Toulouse?
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:02 pm

No, that picture was taken at Hamburg (XFW). They are building 2 new hangars at XFW.
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:05 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 45):
Excellent. What is the target for 2013 after wing crack delays?

On 3rd Dec at EADS GIF 2012 Bregier stated A will deliver 60 A380 over 2013-2014, slightly less 2013 as the production wing fix gets implemented and slightly more 2014. What slightly is he did not define. Another interesting point was that he maintained the 380 will become production cost positive by 2015 despite wing problems, A has made quite some progress on 380 costs (I listened to his talk to get 350 info and also caught this).
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:11 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
No, that picture was taken at Hamburg (XFW)

Thanks for correcting my mistake. I somehow had read Toulouse where it should have been Hamburg of course.

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