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DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:28 pm

As the previous thread has been archived, I'll start this again.
There seems to have been a delay in ship #1602 (N1602) being completed as it has been at HAECO in HKG for two months now, which is 2-3 weeks longer than most of the previous aircraft have taken to be modded.
Also ship #174 (N174DN) has been out of service since Nov 3rd and ship #191 arrived in SIN (QPG?) on Nov 12. Is DL using QPG as a second line for the B763ERs now that the B744s have been completed (though N661US is at QPG for more mods, having already been partially done in PEK)?
Also ship #1607 (N1607B), which has already been modded, has been at QPG since Oct 20th; is it there for International WiFi installation? Answers please DL Flight Ops!
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:55 pm

I'm flying DL107 in early March and very confused ... the seatmap you can select seats on has BE as 1-2-1, indicating a refresh cabin and PTV in Y.

But the 'view seats' during booking has 2-2-2 767L and says overhead TV in Y. Anyone have any tips to figure it out? I'm in Y.
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:41 pm

Ship #1602 (N1602) has managed to find it's way to ATL without showing up on FlightAware as having done any scheduled flights getting there! I wonder if it was ferried all the way; it certainly didn't fly from HKG-NRT-SFO-ATL as the last few modded aircraft have done. It's flights today are from ATL-JFK-FRA.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1602
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:45 pm

Ship #1603 (N1603) may be the next one to go into mods to replace ship #1602. It last flew from ATL-SFO on Nov 14th and according to FlightAware it hasn't flown since.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1603
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:48 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 2):

It ferried HKG-ANC-ATL on the 18th.
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:07 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 4):

Thanks for the update! Any further information about my opening thread would be greatly appreciated also!
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:57 pm

Quoting audidudi (Thread starter):
Also ship #174 (N174DN) has been out of service since Nov 3rd and ship #191 arrived in SIN (QPG?) on Nov 12.
Quoting audidudi (Reply 2):
Ship #1602 (N1602) has managed to find it's way to ATL without showing up on FlightAware as having done any scheduled flights getting there
Quoting audidudi (Reply 3):
hip #1603 (N1603) may be the next one to go into mods to replace ship #1602. It last flew from ATL-SFO on Nov 14th and according to FlightAware it hasn't flown since.
Quoting timf (Reply 7):
1705 has been completed, not 175. Also, 1605 and 1606 have been out of service since mid-October, presumably in mods.

[Corrected] Totals include aircraft in for mods:

76G C30W38Y140
All Ships: 1501-6, 1521 [7 aircraft]
Completed: 0/0 (0%)

76L C36W32Y143 (*35 Business for sale, 1 for crew rest)
All Ships: 171-172, 174-186, 1200-1201, 1601-1606, 1701-1708 [31 aircraft]
Completed: 1601-3, 174, 182, 1200-1201, 1605-6, 1705 - 11/31 (35.5%)

76T C36W29Y143
All Ships: 1607-1613 [7 aircraft]
Completed: 100%

76Z C26W29Y171 (*25 Business for sale, 1 for crew rest)
All Ships: 187-199 [13 aircraft]
Completed: 191, 199 - 2/13 (15.4%)

Total Complete: 20/58 (34.5%)

[Edited 2012-11-20 12:08:16]
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:01 pm

Quoting n515cr (Reply 6):
Completed: 1601-3, 174-175, 182, 1200-1201 - 9/31 (29.0%)

1705 has been completed, not 175. Also, 1605 and 1606 have been out of service since mid-October, presumably in mods.
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:02 pm

When is N173DN coming out of storage?
 
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Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:14 pm

So after five weeks at QPG, ship #1607 (N1607B) has finished it's mysterious visit there and is scheduled to fly out today to SIN and from there to NRT or be ferried to ANC-ATL presumably. But we have been unable to get any help here from DL Flight Ops contacts as to why it was in QPG in the first place. I have previously suggested that it might have been for the installation of International WiFi........oh well I'm sure we'll all find out eventually! In the meantime, FlightAware will undoubtedly update it's progress home!
Meanwhile it appears that ship #1603 (N1603) is replacing #1607 as it's on it's way to SIN, then presumably to QPG.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1607B

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1603

[Edited 2012-11-24 04:21:44]
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:39 am

What's the difference between 76G, 76L, 76T, and 76Z?
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:44 am

Quoting rj777 (Reply 10):
What's the difference between 76G, 76L, 76T, and 76Z?

76G: 6 doors; high density config
76L: 4 doors; run of the mill 763ER
76T: 4 doors; 12-hour missions (lower lobe pilot crew rest)
76Z: 4 doors; high density config

Note all a/c will have a lower lobe F/A crew rest, flat-bed business elite seats with direct aisle access, nose-to-tail AVOD, reconfigured ATLAS galleys, etc.
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:48 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 11):
76G: 6 doors; high density config
76L: 4 doors; run of the mill 763ER
76T: 4 doors; 12-hour missions (lower lobe pilot crew rest)
76Z: 4 doors; high density config

Note all a/c will have a lower lobe F/A crew rest, flat-bed business elite seats with direct aisle access, nose-to-tail AVOD, reconfigured ATLAS galleys, etc.

FYI, the 76Gs after mods will also be designated as 76Z and will have the same number of seats in both cabins as the rest of the 76Z fleet, with the only difference being the exit layouts.
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:52 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 12):
FYI, the 76Gs after mods will also be designated as 76Z and will have the same number of seats in both cabins as the rest of the 76Z fleet, with the only difference being the exit layouts.

Cabin layout in Y will be SLIGHTLY different but yes

[Edited 2012-11-24 20:56:45]
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Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:19 am

I just flew on N182DL the other day, it's had been flying ATL-STR-ATL almost everyday for the past week. Flat beds were pretty comfortable coming back from STR.
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:38 am

Does anybody know which type does the JFK-BCN run?
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:33 pm

Quoting rj777 (Reply 15):
Does anybody know which type does the JFK-BCN run?

I was just checking that yesterday and it was showing the old 767-300 with recliner seats in BE  
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:41 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 12):
FYI, the 76Gs after mods will also be designated as 76Z and will have the same number of seats in both cabins as the rest of the 76Z fleet, with the only difference being the exit layouts.

How many seats will be in each cabin?

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 13):
Cabin layout in Y will be SLIGHTLY different but yes

Other than the door location how will the 76Z/old 76G differ than the six door 76Z?
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:10 am

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 17):
How many seats will be in each cabin?

26 in Business Elite and 200 in steerage.

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 17):
Other than the door location how will the 76Z/old 76G differ than the six door 76Z?

If you're asking how will the 6-door 76Z differ from the 4-door 76Z then it's a slight variation in the seat patten in the front portion of the Y cabin. DL doesn't use the L2 door for boarding on the 76ERs but just for reference if you were to walk on the a/c at L2 the first thing you will hit turning right to get to your seat would be a set of lavs in the middle of the cabin; 2 rows of 2-2 seats on each side. On the 4 door 76Zs the lavs are about 7 rows back into coach.

[Edited 2012-11-26 23:13:51]
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:58 pm

Quoting klkla (Reply 16):

I hope that changes by next july

Quoting klkla (Reply 16):
I was just checking that yesterday and it was showing the old 767-300 with recliner seats in BE

I hope that changes by next july since I might be going that way and I'm going to want my own entertainment!
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:55 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 18):
26 in Business Elite and 200 in steerage.

Thanks - so both flavors of the 76Z will have 29 EC and 171 standard Y?
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:05 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 18):
DL doesn't use the L2 door for boarding on the 76ERs

I have boarded through L2 on the 76Gs in ATL (IIRC, at gate E1 once for an ATL-ZRH flight).

Quoting rj777 (Reply 15):
Does anybody know which type does the JFK-BCN run?

Currently in the winter, it is run with the non-refurbed 763ERs. The spring/summer equipment is far from finalized for now - it is currently defaulted to a 763, but DL has been using thed A330-300s on JFK-BCN for the past few summers now.

Quoting timf (Reply 7):
Also, 1605 and 1606 have been out of service since mid-October, presumably in mods.

Ship 1605 should be done now; it is scheduled to operate DL618 NRT-SFO tomorrow (Wed Nov 28). Seatmap for flight has been updated to reflect the new 1-2-1 config in Business.
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:16 pm

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 20):
Thanks - so both flavors of the 76Z will have 29 EC and 171 standard Y?

Exactly.

Quoting panamair (Reply 21):
I have boarded through L2 on the 76Gs in ATL (IIRC, at gate E1 once for an ATL-ZRH flight).

Interesting.

I'd never seen it personally and didn't think it was something they did.
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:21 pm

Are the 76Qs (NonER 763s) going into interior mods now that most of the 763ERs are done?

As I posted in the PHX thread I worked the ferry flight of tail 125 to ANC and from ANC the plane will go on to SIN, where the mods are being done, correct?
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:25 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 23):
Are the 76Qs (NonER 763s) going into interior mods now that most of the 763ERs are done?

As I posted in the PHX thread I worked the ferry flight of tail 125 to ANC and from ANC the plane will go on to SIN, where the mods are being done, correct?

The 76Qs already have AVOD. However, if you mean the new bins, panels, and lavatories, no they will not be getting such mods since they are planned to be retired soon. However, it has been stated that DL will be keeping the 76Ps (ETOPS domestic 763s, ships 1401-1404) for the Hawaii routes. However, I don't expect them to get such mods either anytime soon.
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:39 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 24):

Ok, then what other reason would it go to SIN? Putting it in storage?
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:40 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 24):

If the domestic B763 fleet are not getting the interior mods, then what on earth is ship #125 (N125DL) going to SIN/QPG for?
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:43 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 24):
However, it has been stated that DL will be keeping the 76Ps (ETOPS domestic 763s, ships 1401-1404) for the Hawaii routes.

What is the range of these four birds? Since they are ETOPS could they do JFK-LHR?
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:44 pm

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 27):
What is the range of these four birds? Since they are ETOPS could they do JFK-LHR?

Yes, but since they don't have a BusinessElite cabin, I don't see DL deploying them on such route. They will probably mainly be used on LAX/SLC-HNL, with occasional positioning transcons to ATL.

[Edited 2012-11-27 14:47:08]
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:03 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 28):
Yes, but since they don't have a BusinessElite cabin, I don't see DL deploying them on such route.



I realize that. I was entertaining the thought that Delta could update the cabins of the 76Ps to the high-density 76Z layout, giving all of the 767s a consistent interior. Since they would then have BusinessElite, then it would be possible to send them to SNN or even LHR. There would be a reduction in seats; however, Delta wouldnt' have to keep two sets of parts for the 'old' 767 interior vs. the new.
 
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Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:40 pm

So still no info why the 76Q, ship 125, went to SIN???
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:08 am

The 76Qs are not getting interior mods. Let's be clear about that.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 23):
As I posted in the PHX thread I worked the ferry flight of tail 125 to ANC and from ANC the plane will go on to SIN, where the mods are being done, correct?

It's actually in NRT. Scheduled for SIN tomorrow.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 25):
Ok, then what other reason would it go to SIN? Putting it in storage?
Quoting audidudi (Reply 26):
If the domestic B763 fleet are not getting the interior mods, then what on earth is ship #125 (N125DL) going to SIN/QPG for?

Let's not get too excited. It's going to Singapore for some TLC. There are several maintenance items that will be looked at and then it will be returned to service when complete. I'll leave it at that.
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Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:50 am

Again I ask-----when is N173DN going to leave the desert?
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:31 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 31):

Thanks for the info. Did not know heavy mx was done in SIN as well.
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Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:33 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 33):
Thanks for the info. Did not know heavy mx was done in SIN as well.

Never said it was the there for an HMV. Just some stuff that will require it to be offline for a while.

767 HMVs are done in China.

[Edited 2012-11-28 17:35:25]
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Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:02 pm

What are these "several maintenance items that are being looked at that" that couldn't be done by Tech Ops in ATL, or at least closer to the mainland US? Why doesn't Tech Ops have the facilities to perform them to save the ferry flight costs to SIN/QPG, or is it still less expensive to send the aircraft to Asia because of their lower labour costs?

[Edited 2012-11-29 04:22:45]

[Edited 2012-11-29 05:04:27]
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:22 pm

Does anybody have any information regarding the aircraft operating the ORD-CDG-ORD route? Currently it is showing as a B76L, any chance it will be swapped out to an updated aircraft with IFE?    Thanks in advanced!  
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:38 pm

Quoting lotpilot16 (Reply 36):

It all depends on when you are travelling. All the B763ERs will be modded by early to mid 2013 according to what I've read.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:50 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 37):
All the B763ERs will be modded by early to mid 2013

Nope. The current schedule calls for 43 of the 58 763ERs to be done by June 2013. This will still leave 15 to be done Fall 2013 through January 2014 (mods will stop June 2013, and restart Oct 2013).

Between now and June 2013, they will be cranking out on average 4 to 5 refurbs a month.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:45 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 37):

I'll be travelling on 23 Dec. I doubt it would be swapped, but I can only hope!
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:54 am

Quoting audidudi (Reply 35):
What are these "several maintenance items that are being looked at that" that couldn't be done by Tech Ops in ATL, or at least closer to the mainland US? Why doesn't Tech Ops have the facilities to perform them to save the ferry flight costs to SIN/QPG, or is it still less expensive to send the aircraft to Asia because of their lower labour costs?

That's digging a little too deep. They sent it to SIN for a reason. That's a little above my head. Specifically why SIN and not TechOps or SEA or NRT or JFK IDK. I'm just telling you it's there for scheduled maintenance not interior mods. If someone else wants to post specifics then they can but i'm not 100% comfortable doing that.

[Edited 2012-11-29 16:56:54]
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:08 am

What is the possibility of additional aircraft being modified to the 76Z configuration? It seems that this current economic environment of high fuel costs, downward pressure of yields, and high YC loads is here to stay. Could a less premium cabin-heavy aircraft allow routes such as JFK-Berlin or JFK-Manchester to return?
 
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:35 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 32):
Again I ask-----when is N173DN going to leave the desert?

As of right now it's not scheduled to be returned so most likely it's going to sit until they need it. When that is, who knows. It's most likely do for some sort of check that they're holding off on paying for until they need the capacity and right now they don't need it.
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:22 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 42):

It was also painted into the current colours almost two years ago and then sent straight back to the desert again! It's almost like DL had plans for it, otherwise why go to the expense of painting it instead of waiting until it was ready to return to service, and then giving it a fresh paint job at that time! Now it's had almost two year's worth of hot baking sunlight to fade the paint as it sits motionless!

[Edited 2012-11-30 05:52:02]
 
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:00 pm

Ship 1606 (N16065) is now done with mods and is scheduled to fly NRT-SFO tomorrow (Dec 1).
This will be #16 of 58 completed (28% of fleet).
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:43 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 18):
If you're asking how will the 6-door 76Z differ from the 4-door 76Z then it's a slight variation in the seat patten in the front portion of the Y cabin. DL doesn't use the L2 door for boarding on the 76ERs but just for reference if you were to walk on the a/c at L2 the first thing you will hit turning right to get to your seat would be a set of lavs in the middle of the cabin; 2 rows of 2-2 seats on each side. On the 4 door 76Zs the lavs are about 7 rows back into coach.

On the 4-door 76Z will there be a hard divider / bulkhead between Business Elite and Economy? Also do the four-door 76Z have the 2 rows of 2-2 seats on each side of the lavatory also?
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:37 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 42):
As of right now it's not scheduled to be returned so most likely it's going to sit until they need it. When that is, who knows. It's most likely do for some sort of check that they're holding off on paying for until they need the capacity and right now they don't need it.

Thanks so much for this answer----it just did not make sense for it to be there for so long!!
 
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Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:50 pm

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 45):
On the 4-door 76Z will there be a hard divider / bulkhead between Business Elite and Economy? Also do the four-door 76Z have the 2 rows of 2-2 seats on each side of the lavatory also?

Yes and yes. BTW, you won't find soft dividers on any international a/c.
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:29 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 43):

Here's the most recent photo of ship #173 (N173DN) taken at VCV on Aug 4th 2012.

http://airteamimages.com/boeing-767_..._delta-air-lines_157042_large.html
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:16 pm

Interesting tidbit from yesterday, the first of the fore-mentioned 763s with the 2 forward of the wing exits (N394DL, the ex-Asiana bird) flew to Narita yesterday and presumably to HKG or QPG from there.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N394DL

It seemed to fly as an extra SEA-NRT segment apart from the usual A330 that day.

Delta needs a few of these birds high density done by next year so they can put them on the LAX-JFK routes as advertised. They're also supposed to be used for the SEA-HND flight.

As far as I've gathered from flightaware, these are the planes currently in mods:

N185DN Last flight: Oct 23
N183DN Last flight: Oct 29
N174DN Last flight: Nov 2
N191DN Last flight: Nov 11
N1603 Last flight: Nov 24
N197DN Last flight: Nov 30

And now we can probably add N394DL to the list.

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