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Quoting EK413 (Reply 2): The RR aircraft or better known as ACE aircraft are a nightmare of an aircraft... |
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 5): How come QF has kept them for so long if they are not good to work in? I seem to remember from earlier threads that the aircraft have hopless galley configs or something, but that could have been changed to QF standard during D-check, right? |
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 5): How come QF has kept them for so long if they are not good to work in? I seem to remember from earlier threads that the aircraft have hopless galley configs or something, but that could have been changed to QF standard during D-check, right? |
Quoting qf002 (Reply 7): It's also worth noting that the aircraft were never originally meant to be a long term part of the QF fleet, so it didn't make sense to do massive work when they first came to QF. |
Quoting vhebb (Reply 9): The longer term options I see for the QF SYD-HNL-SYD will be: *B763 replaced with Intl A330s which are currently flying domestic routes. |
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 10): I would agree with B763s being replaced with A332s... |
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Quoting qf002 (Reply 13): I think an A333 is more likely. It's a bigger jump in capacity, but the A332s have far too many J seats to work to HNL. |
Quoting qf002 (Reply 13): Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 11): Quoting EK413 (Reply 12): I imagine NOU will probably migrate to 738s over the next year or two. 1 weekly through the low season, with an extra weekly flight through peak periods. |
Quoting vhebb (Reply 9): B763 will continue to operate the route but in the new domestic config. |
Quoting EK413 (Reply 10): I would agree with B763s being replaced with A332s... |
Quoting EK413 (Reply 12): The SYD-NOU-SYD QF91-QF92 service is usually operated by a domestic configure aircraft with the odd International aircraft from time to time... |
Quoting thegeek (Reply 20): Did the A333s have an upgrade to their MTOW in service, not reflected on the qantas.com.au website? I can't see how a 212t A333 could do SYD-PEK with a commercial load. |
Quoting a36001 (Reply 22): Do they even own the engines or are they leased separately from the airframe? |
Quoting thegeek (Reply 19): I'm sure they flew SYD-DRW-BOM-SYD. And were load restricted on the route too, severely I believe. Can't comment on the other routes you've said. |
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 5): How come QF has kept them for so long if they are not good to work in? I seem to remember from earlier threads that the aircraft have hopless galley configs or something, but that could have been changed to QF standard during D-check, right? |
Quoting EK413 (Reply 8): I believe QF originally had plans to operate the type for 7 years (7 year lease) and then return the aircraft to BA... In the end I believe BA didn't want the aircraft therefore QF purchased / leased the aircraft to fill the B787 gap... |
Quoting EK413 (Reply 10): I believe the new QF have come to terms and realised there is room for both QF and JQ on key holiday routes with OOL as an example with mainline resuming services... |
Quoting qf002 (Reply 13): Thanks! I can only assume that QF will continue to fly to HNL past March (they're leaving it a bit late to make an announcement...), so it will be interesting to see which direction they go in with the equipment... |
Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 16): As part of the refresh bassinets will be removed from the J cabin on domestic-configured aircraft. This suggests to me that the international aircraft will be a sub-fleet of some description. |
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Quoting JQflightie (Reply 25): This is a common misconception, BA DO NOT OWN THESE AIRCRAFT, they are ex BA aircraft, but are owned by a leasing company |
Quoting thegeek (Reply 19): I'm sure they flew SYD-DRW-BOM-SYD. |
Quoting thegeek (Reply 20): I can't see how a 212t A333 could do SYD-PEK with a commercial load. |
Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 24): The non-stop eastbound leg with the A333 didn't last long. |
Quoting JQflightie (Reply 25): I think you will actually see an International A332 fill in from the 763 with a 36J 199Y config (it will actually go to 195 due to Long Haul Crew Rest requirements) |
Quoting JQflightie (Reply 25): i was under the impression that the bassinets will remain, but will be the A380 style bassinets. |
Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 29): That is correct, which is why is specified BOM-SYD. |
Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 18): I am pretty sure that if a 763 can make SYD-HNL-SYD, then the 333 will do also. |
Quoting thegeek (Reply 31): Specifies the "Range with full payload" as 9085km, while the A333's "range with full payload" is specified as 7000km. Not sure whether full payload = MZFW or max pax load+bags, I suspect the latter, but something isn't right. |
Quoting BA174 (Reply 28): BA did own the aircraft until circa 2008 when they sold them to a bank that now leases them to QF. They are also all registered with that company in their British registrations, even though they are on the Australian register and with VH-*** sequence. |
Quoting BA174 (Reply 28): BA did own the aircraft until circa 2008 when they sold them to a bank that now leases them to QF. They are also all registered with that company in their British registrations, even though they are on the Australian register and with VH-*** sequence. |
Quoting gemuser (Reply 33): What registration are you referring to? They can't be on both the VH & G register at the same time, the G rego would have to have been cancelled before they could be VH registered. |
Quoting JQflightie (Reply 35): Yes i know they OWNED them, but they havnt for a while... |
Quoting emirates773 (Reply 36): An example of this is: B767-336ER (25443/419) with BA as G-BNWP was leased to Qantas as VH-ZXG. |
Quoting EK413 (Reply 37): So in other words the aircraft have been sold to the leasing firm with the UK registration which in turn have been leased back to QF with the ZX* registrations (which the aircraft have been operating under since 2000)... |
Quoting emirates773 (Reply 38): Ownership Transferred to G-BNWP Aircraft Pty Ltd on the 2nd May 2006. I think I have read somewhere that the UK registration was used in the company names as BA may still have held an interest in them initially possible with a buy back clause, however I could be completely wrong on that. I shall check if I can. |
Quoting EK413 (Reply 30): Due to their different internal specifications, including different galleys these machines have been restricted to the Domestic network since their arrival. |
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Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 32): How come QF's A333s have such limited range? Did QF order the lowest-MTOW version? How old are those aircraft now? |
Quoting thegeek (Reply 20): Did the A333s have an upgrade to their MTOW in service, not reflected on the qantas.com.au website? |
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Quoting emirates773 (Reply 38): The UK registration was cancelled upon the uptake of the lease to Qantas on the aircraft. e.g G-BNWP De Reg : 10th November 2000 from UK, Reg'd VH-ZXG 10th November 2000 to Autralian Register. Ownership Transferred to G-BNWP Aircraft Pty Ltd on the 2nd May 2006. I think I have read somewhere that the UK registration was used in the company names as BA may still have held an interest in them initially possible with a buy back clause, however I could be completely wrong on that. I shall check if I can. |
Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 40): The ex-BA 763s were used on the Tasman (not sure if only AKL?) for a time. They featured ACE galleys which were also on the leased BA 744, which operated QF25 SYD-BNE-AKL-LAX and QF127 SYD-HKG. The equipment was interchangeable. The aircraft in AKL: |
Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 40): There was anecdotal evidence of a one-off PER-NRT-PER sub. |
Quoting BA174 (Reply 39): BA hold a first right of repurchase clause on the aircraft I believe which is why for trading purposes they are still G-BNW* registered. |
Quoting gemuser (Reply 43): But they are NOT G registered aircraft! That was cancelled on 10 Nov 2001 as per reply 38. The company names G-BNW* are NOT aircraft registrations! They are registered company names, sure, but it is confusing to just call them "registrations" on an airliners forum. |
Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 44): Out of curiousity, what is an ACE galley and what is so bad about them? |
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 47): What else would we be doing with them? |