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Saha Air And The 707

Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:24 am

I love the 707, and would love to fly on one before they go. This picture got me wondering, are Saha's 707s converted KC-135s?

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If you look under the tail, there are clearly bumps that are/were meant for a refueling boom. Any insight is appreciated!
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RE: Saha Air And The 707

Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:34 am

DUDE I think you just read my mind!!!! I was in the process of posting something exactly to this effect. I don't think they're converted KC-135s because the wing on the 707 is different than the KC-135, for starters. See the full-span leading edge flaps? KC-135s only have 2 leading edge flap panels on each wing, just inboard of the outboard engines. It's definitely a 707... I just can't explain the boom-pod looking fairings on the tail end. Someone enlighten us!
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RE: Saha Air And The 707

Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:35 am

They are Boeing 707-3J9C and was built for the IIAF with Tanker equipment. The 12 out of the orignal 14 707 ordered for the IIAF also had wingtip Beach 1080 refueling stores, and the KC-135 type boom. Hope this helps.
 
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RE: Saha Air And The 707

Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:36 am

Quoting n901wa (Reply 2):

Thanks!
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RE: Saha Air And The 707

Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:23 am

I plan to be on this plane a week from now on the Tehran-Mashhad route - does anyone here have a suggestion where's the best way to buy a ticket? I guess the safest bet is to approach the SAHA ticket counter at THR, but maybe some travel agencies in Tehran also have a possibility to book?
 
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RE: Saha Air And The 707

Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:51 am

Hi Ham, how are you?
Indeed most travel agents inside Iran sell Saha Air tickets as well, in 2006 I just went to travel agents recommended in Lonely Planet and they were knowledgeable about planetypes and talked English well.
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RE: Saha Air And The 707

Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:47 am

My friend just flew last night on that plane, he said you can book it the best at the airport.

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RE: Saha Air And The 707

Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:53 am

Is it safe for Americans to travel to Iran? I'd like to fly on a 707 before they're gone forever.
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RE: Saha Air And The 707

Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:33 am

Quoting dreyes78 (Reply 7):
Is it safe for Americans to travel to Iran? I'd like to fly on a 707 before they're gone forever.
http://wikitravel.org/en/Iran#Stay_safe
http://wikitravel.org/en/Iran#Get_in

"In general, Iran is much safer than Westerners might expect. Most people are genuinely friendly and interested to know about you and your country, so leave aside your preconceptions and come with an open mind. Iran is still a relatively low-crime country, although thefts and muggings have been on the increase in recent years. Keep your wits about you, and take the usual precautions against pickpockets in crowded bazaars and buses."
 
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RE: Saha Air And The 707

Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:15 pm

How many 707's do they still have flying?
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RE: Saha Air And The 707

Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:20 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):

The Boeing 707 and KC-135 are not the same aircraft and you can't convert one to the other. They look alike, but it ends there.
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RE: Saha Air And The 707

Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:06 pm

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 1):
It's definitely a 707... I just can't explain the boom-pod looking fairings on the tail end
Quoting n901wa (Reply 2):
They are Boeing 707-3J9C and was built for the IIAF with Tanker equipment.

There is another special unusual feature on this plane that comes from the tanker configuration. One of the last passenger windows is longer than the others (about twice as long). You can see it if you enlarge this photo:

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I wonder what it looks like from the inside. I haven't been able to find a photo yet. Any ideas?

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RE: Saha Air And The 707

Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:54 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 11):
I wonder what it looks like from the inside. I haven't been able to find a photo yet. Any ideas?

I recall seeing a cabin photo of the double window in Reply 12 of this 2008 Tech/Ops thread on the Saha 707s but it seems to have been deleted since.
Saha Air 707 Windows (by Metroliner Aug 16 2008 in Tech Ops)
 
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RE: Saha Air And The 707

Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:05 pm

The double window in row 29 is fantastic, although I think EP-SHV, which is the current operational machine (Saha usually only have one flying at a time while one or two others are in heavy mx), has it blanked out on the A side. I guess the pane is rare and / or impossible to replace, and if a flaw was found, they will have had to replace it with a sheet of metal. Shame! So make sure you ask for 29F.

Btw I have tonnes of photos from this seat, but I don't know how to post a picture to a thread.

There will be a big feature on Saha Air's 707 ops in the March edition of Aviation News, out sometime in Feb.

Link to the magazine (which is great, my newest discovery) - btw no mention of the article on the site yet, just for future reference:
http://www.aviation-news.co.uk
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RE: Saha Air And The 707

Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:19 pm

sorry... its was me that deleted it from the other thread....
needed more room for some other pix..

here it is again
EP-SHU seat 29A

nice window.... if it was daylight.....
 
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RE: Saha Air And The 707

Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:23 pm

The Shah orginally ordered the B-707s (and the B-747s) for the IIAF. They wre all ordered with cargo floors, cargodoors and most of the air refueling equipment. Thirteen of 14 were equipped with KC-135 Booms (as were some of the B-741s, which were bought from TWA). All 13 KC-707s are still flying with the IIAF, the aircraft were ordered in 1972 and deliveries began in 1974, completed in 1976.

The KC-135 and B-707 are different airplanes with different fuselarge cross sections and weights. Some parts are interchangable, while most parts are not. Both the KC-135 and the B-707 decended out of the B-367-80, with the KC-135 coming out first.

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