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Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:38 am

G'day and welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread # 66. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

* China Eastern Airlines makes surprise announcement - Cairns service to become year round in 2013
* Brisbane Airport RWY01/19 overlay works
* Brindabella Airlines announces it will base a J41 in Sydney
* Malaysia Airlines operates 747 and 330 charter flights through Rockhampton
* Emirates inaugurates Adelaide services
* Perth Airport redevelopment
* Air China to upgrade SYD services to 77W in December
* Second Sydney Airport talk
* Qantas to take delivery of a new A330 later this month which will feature a oneworld livery
* United Airlines services to Australia
* Korean Airlines confirms it will suspend Melbourne services in March 2013
* Jetgo takes delivery of its second ERJ 135
* Melbourne Airport passenger leakage to other Airports
* Qantas announces a $100m share buyback
* Emirates alludes to A380 services to Perth commencing 2013
* Brisbane storms and a spectacular photo of a lightning strike
* Brindabella Airlines to offer Sydney-Moree services from March 2013 (replacing QantasLink)
* REX successfully retained sole operation rights on its 8 subsidised intra-NSW routes
* Brisbane and tag on flights
* Qantas and its impending Dubai services
* Dixon and Co setting sights on a Qantas takeover
* Virgin Australia AGM and CEO John Borghetti's remuneration package
* Singapore Airlines and Virgin Australia announce codeshare expansion
* QF108 air turnback - LAX
* Melbourne Airport and its planned third runway
* Qantas aircraft now sporting the revised livery
* Perth set to receive Australia's first scheduled/regular 787 services (Qatar Airways)
* C-17 flyover of Brisbane and the Gold Coast
* Garuda Indonesia confirms Brisbane - Denpasar (Bali) and Jakarta services from August 2013

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:56 am

* Air New Zealand has confirmed a second season of nonstop flights between the Sunshine Coast (Maroochydore) and Auckland in response to high demand through this year's season. Services in 2013 will continue to operate twice weekly, however flights will operate for a period of 17 weeks (this year's flying program saw flights over a 12 week period)

* VH-ZPE, Virgin Australia's second E190 fitted with the new Business Class product re-entered service today. The Aircraft joins VH-ZPK as aircraft fitted with 6J class seats. VH-ZPA will have the reconfiguration carried out over the coming days

* QantasLink's first reconfigured 717-200 VH-NXH re-entered service today. The Aircraft features a new 125Y configuration along with:

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New ergonomically-designed seats will provide customers with increased levels of comfort featuring:
* A top-mounted magazine box to maximise legroom;
* An additional seat pocket ideal for the storage of personal electronic devices;
* An adjustable headrest; and
* A sliding tray table.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:49 am

No one seems to have picked up MU starting thrice weekly Beijing-Nanjing-Sydney route from 21 December.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:01 pm

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 2):

It's been discussed already Australian Aviation Thread # 65 (by QF175 Nov 5 2012 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:21 am

Quoting QF175 (Reply 1):
QantasLink's first reconfigured 717-200 VH-NXH re-entered service today. The Aircraft features a new 125Y configuration along with:

Are these new seats similar to what LH and a few other carriers have? Any photos out there?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:07 pm

Quoting Fuling (Reply 4):
Are these new seats similar to what LH and a few other carriers have? Any photos out there?

The photo's in the link below show the new configuration and also gives you an idea of what the slimline seats would look like on the B717 fleet...

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantaslink-d...ng-717-slim-seats-but-more-of-them

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:57 pm

From May next year Australian Aviation is reporting that QF will operate A330s on all weekday flights between PER and SYD/MEL. After searching a random week in June there were 7 daily (weekday) returns between SYD-PER and 8 daily (weekday) returns between MEL-PER all using a mix of A330 and B767 aircraft. I find it interesting that they said A330s only inteh article, but presumably meant wide-bodies only. (Which by then all the B767s should have the refreshed interiors).

Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
The photo's in the link below show the new configuration and also gives you an idea of what the slimline seats would look like on the B717 fleet...

I can't believe they've added an extra two rows, even with the slimline seats the pitch should be quite a bit tighter...? The removal of the 3rd lav makes sense though. Although what is the "crew use only" that replaces it?



Also, Tiger is celebrating it's 5th anniversary with various promotional bits and pieces and is apparentl;y approaching their 10 millionth passenger flown.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2012/11/oneworld-qantas-a330-arrives/

Edited to post links and Tiger comment.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:11 pm

Quoting QF762 (Reply 6):
the pitch should be quite a bit tighter...

It would appear that they're adding one row each side of the wing. With the narrower seat backs and moving the magazine rack to the top of the seat I wouldn't expect the seat pitch to feel much different, no more than half an inch.
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:09 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 7):
It would appear that they're adding one row each side of the wing. With the narrower seat backs and moving the magazine rack to the top of the seat I wouldn't expect the seat pitch to feel much different, no more than half an inch.

The QantasLink/Impulse 717s with the ex-TWA slimline seats (VQF-K at the time) were converted to the Jetstar 125Y layout 6-8 weeks before the launch of Jetstar and no one noticed. At the time I remember thinking it felt as if it had the same level of comfort as the 73Hs.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:07 am

Hawaiian Airlines innaugral flight to BNE is on it's way this time.

N588HA appears to be the aircraft a 767-300 with winglets.

ETA BNE is 1540 local.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:51 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 9):
Hawaiian Airlines innaugral flight to BNE is on it's way this time.

Good news.

It will certainly be a big couple of months on the HNL routes with HA adding BNE and JQ adding MEL next month.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:16 am

Welcome to Brisbane Hawaiian Airlines!  

Nice to see an Airline on the route once again after Air Australia's demise in February of this year.

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/12558_463658840362945_1887803813_n.jpg
Image source - BNE Airport Facebook page

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/465655_10151192983038505_1480433066_o.jpg
Image source - Hawaiian Airlines Facebook page

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:53 am

Finally the 1st of 7 ex-BA B763 in the QF fleet is heading to the desert this month...

 

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:43 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):

Finally the 1st of 7 ex-BA B763 in the QF fleet is heading to the desert this month...

And the planned ex-BA B763 is VH-ZXB. It has a planned departure date from Australia on 11Dec12. at 0800hrs ex SYD flying to HNL with an overnight stop-over in HNL then the following morning to VCV to arrive into VCV on 12Dec to arrive into VCV @ 1420 hrs.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:22 pm

Spending some time "spotting" on Flightradar24 this evening and noticed the QF44 AKL to SYD diverted to MEL earlier in the evening (lots of doughnuts in the sky around all flightpaths into SYD at that time).then noticed QF44 making a fastrun up to SYD, on approach down to 1800ft then a very quick climbout (time is now 2300 - curfew time!!), out to sea and currently at 24000 heading south again. Assuming Flightradar24 has got this tagged correctly, maybe some very unhappy guests on board, they still wont see SYD tonight. I suspect ac is back on its way to MEL.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:36 pm

Quoting TN486 (Reply 14):
Spending some time "spott

QF 44 arrived MEL 2111, dep for SYD approx 2200, missed curfew at SYD (2300) and now ETA MEL 0010. This curfew is an absolute farce! That ac got down to 1900 ft on approach to SYD!!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:19 pm

The QF44 ain't the only diversion... There was 2 other diversions tonight both to CBR...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:56 pm

Quoting TN486 (Reply 14):
Quoting TN486 (Reply 15):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 16):

It's a shame that CBR can't take flights from AKL -- they would have easily made it into SYD had they diverted there instead.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:08 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 17):

I guess that raises the 2nd airport question yet again, why not grant CBR custom clearance etc for international diversions... In this scenario the flight was from AKL, aren't Australia and New Zealand flights proposed to be handled as domestic flights in the foreseeable future...?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:21 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 18):
In this scenario the flight was from AKL, aren't Australia and New Zealand flights proposed to be handled as domestic flights in the foreseeable future...?

Yes that was the plan, but nothing has come of it yet.

I think there needs to be a bit of commonsense applied to the curfew sometimes, to make an aircraft turn back when it is minutes away is stupidity. Some flexibility should be allowed, blatant breaches of course are another story.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:02 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 19):

Under last night circumstances the curfew rules could've been pushed aside & aircraft given clearance... The weather played a role in the diversions therefore clearance should've been granted considering the aircraft was minutes away from touchdown... It's an absolute joke...

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Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:26 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 17):
It's a shame that CBR can't take flights from AKL

Why do you say that?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:05 am

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 21):
Why do you say that?

Because if it had departed from CBR it would have made it to SYD before 23:00 due to the shorter flight.

Also, even if it had overnighted they could just hirer a few buses and get people to SYD by 1 am, rather than have to overnight them in hotels.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:18 am

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 21):

I believe he was pointing out how CBR can not accept International flights... I've been under the impression CBR was going to be converted into an Domestic / International airport if not already has been granted permission...
Didn't Obama or Princess Charles fly directly into CBR during their recent visit down under...?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:06 am

Canberra has accepted international diversions before. I can think of a Qantas 747 a few years ago. Perhaps in this case they were not confident of being able to head back to Sydney for another go?

A Jetconnect 737 has diverted to East Sale, but that was due to a medical.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:48 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 23):
I've been under the impression CBR was going to be converted into an Domestic / International airport if not already has been granted permission...

CBR has had regularly scheduled flights to NAN before (not that they lasted long!) although I'm not sure how they were handled. CBR doesn't have a "sterile" international area (unless it's hiding behind a locked door) and even if you could separate domestic and international passengers by bussing them off the plane, I have no idea where they would do immigration and customs inspections.

Once the new terminal is fully operation there will be some swing gates that can handle international ops, but I am 99% certain that there aren't any right now.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 23):
Didn't Obama or Princess Charles fly directly into CBR during their recent visit down under...?

Obama, the Queen, and several other heads of state + our own government (I assume that CBP still applies to them?)

In this case I assume that, with all the organisation that goes into such a trip, that special provisions are made. After all, it isn't as though they have to line up with everyone else!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:18 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 25):
Once the new terminal is fully operation there will be some swing gates that can handle international ops, but I am 99% certain that there aren't any right now.

Any indication as to when the NEW terminal will become operational...? I love the design, sleek & modern...

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 25):
In this case I assume that, with all the organisation that goes into such a trip, that special provisions are made. After all, it isn't as though they have to line up with everyone else!

What makes them any different from you and me  Just because they get to fly around on a luxury jet liner & in Obama case a 7 star hotel...
The more I think about it I believe CBR wasn't able to handle international flights due to the length of the runway which has since been extended...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:44 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 18):
aren't Australia and New Zealand flights proposed to be handled as domestic flights in the foreseeable future...?

What is happening with that? It makes so much sense, even if they just agreed on some kind of pre-clearance system that would allow passengers to arrive domestic arrivals (ie US-Canada style).

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 24):
Perhaps in this case they were not confident of being able to head back to Sydney for another go?

Likely, and hence why CBR wasn't an option. But if CBR did have the necessary facilities to process international arrivals then it would likely be favoured over MEL in a similar situation in the future.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 25):
In this case I assume that, with all the organisation that goes into such a trip, that special provisions are made. After all, it isn't as though they have to line up with everyone else!

They'll be covered by the same procedures that apply to the senior government officials and military personnel who fly in/out of CBR on government aircraft. It's not just the public figures, but also the vast numer of people travelling with them who are also entering the country.

What form this takes, I'm not sure. The facilities are probably part of the military side of the airport, and they wouldn't need much to process VIPs very quickly on their plane/as they leave the airport (just a laptop and passport scanner for immigration and a pair of gloves for customs).
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:50 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 25):
Obama, the Queen, and several other heads of state + our own government (I assume that CBP still applies to them?)

Further to my own post, these flight technically go to RAAF Fairbairn rather than Canberra International Airport. I realise that this is a technicality, but they aren't "normal" flights and I'm pretty sure that lends itself special circumstances.

I know from standing on the ramp at Fairbairn that day, when the media parade came in for the Obama trip (in the form of a DL 767, quite a sight at CBR!) "quarantine" involved one sniffer dog and not much else. I didn't see what they did with passports, however.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:59 am

On a far more serious note the rules and regulations surrounding the curfew @ SYD need reviewing... Why are airlines & their passengers being inconvenienced due to weather...? Is it so difficult to give the carrier special clearance taking the above factors into account...
The SYD curfew is ridiculous!

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:06 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 29):
Is it so difficult to give the carrier special clearance taking the above factors into account...

I have worked flights in the past where we have landed after 2300 due to a lifting of the curfew where it was due to weather and all carriers had been affected. I can think of at least two occasions, but both were a few years ago. Perhaps the government is stricter for political reasons? Does anyone know when the last time such exemptions were granted?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:10 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 27):
What is happening with that? It makes so much sense

I believe the biggest issue is quarantine, both countries are paranoid about what unsavoury things may end up there. This even applies to Trans-Tasman, NZ doesn't want fire ants for example.

One solution might be to do what the US does from HI and SJU to the mainland: quarantine inspection before checkin. While it is technically a domestic flight and therefore no customs, you put you cases through a scanner (like arriving in Aus/NZ) before going to the bagdrop. I realise that this sounds cumbersome (having a separate section of the domestic check-in for NZ departures) but it would be a lot easier to facilitate than the US-Ca set-up

Another issue is immigration: I believe that Australia is concerned about people applying for NZ visas (more often than not easier to get) and then hopping across the ditch.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 27):
even if they just agreed on some kind of pre-clearance system that would allow passengers to arrive domestic arrivals (ie US-Canada style)

Realistically this might be the best we get, although I'm not sure that it would be economically viable. Both my parents have at separate times this year pre-cleared in Canada and raved about how quick it is, but it is a cumbersome set-up and takes up valuable terminal space, not to mention the cost of employing people to man it.

(As an aside, my mum says she might connect in YVR rather than LAX in future, she did it once out of necessity but couldn't believe how painless it was in comparison. Yes, even with having to go through CBP twice!)

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:30 am

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 30):

I recall this happening on a few occasions too and the airlines have been fined to top it off, from memory CZ, CX, EK just to name a few while QF opted to reschedule the QF21 to depart the following morning....

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:44 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 25):
After all, it isn't as though they have to line up with everyone else!

In the case of the Queen that is just as well. As HM doesn't have a passport she would be immediately arrested for trying to enter the country without proper travel documents. Imagine, she thinks she coming to Australia and ends up in Nauru. 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:52 am

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 33):

Well hopefully she never decides to cruise down on the Queen Mary, that would surely make her "irregular maritime arrival"  

Of course, the Queen aside, these people have Diplomatic Passports so immigration will be a mere formality anyway.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:24 am

Quoting TN486 (Reply 14):
on approach down to 1800ft then a very quick climbout (time is now 2300 - curfew time!!), out to sea and currently at 24000 heading south again

I was in the taxi line at the QF domestic terminal at 2300 and saw a 737 flying low over the airport on a right hand turn out to sea. Was wondering what was going on.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:49 am

Quoting sydscott (Reply 35):

That would've been an impressive sighting too, however not from a passenger perspective onboard the flight executing the go around...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:27 am

Quoting sydscott (Reply 35):
I was in the taxi line at the QF domestic terminal at 2300 and saw a 737 flying low over the airport on a right hand turn out to sea.

The aircraft would have been making more noise than if it had just gone ahead and landed. Ludicrous!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:56 am

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 37):

Politicians and their curfew policy can go jump as far as I am concerned!

Clearance to land should've been granted...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:29 am

It must of been tempting for the crew to gun the throttles and make as much noise as they could on climb out! I would of.....HA and I live in Newtown!  
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:19 am

Quoting QF175 (Reply 11):

Isn't 9 cabin crew quite a lot for an international B767-300ER flight? I remember on my AC flight to HNL from SYD back in 2006 there were 7 cabin crew I believe. (Or did HA just have more crew on the inaugural flight to ensure things went smoothly?)
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:00 am

Quoting QF762 (Reply 40):

Correct, it's usually 3 tech crew and 7 cabin but probably course the flight was the inaugural HA operated with 9 crew... Qantas did the same with the introduction of the OOL services providing 2 additional crew to provide assistance and training etc...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:37 am

Quoting a36001 (Reply 39):
It must of been tempting for the crew to gun the throttles and make as much noise as they could on climb out! I would of.....HA and I live in Newtown!

The climbout was in fact fast AND steep, so you may not be Robinson Crusoe in your thinking.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:29 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 26):

Well I thought I'd dig up the status of the CBR terminal works...

Source http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=349537&page=29

$420 million airport project inches past 70 per cent completion
Shaped like a stingray the size of Woden Plaza, Canberra Airport's new $420 million terminal is 70 per cent complete.
Since 2008 an estimated three million passengers a year have passed through the terminal re-construction site unaware
of the cutting edge infrastructure being installed under their feet. In a warren of halls and rooms below and besides the
public areas a gas-fired tri-generation power station, long banks of switch boards and 22 kilometres of cabling layered on trays keep the place heated, cooled and operational as a high security facility.
A back-up diesel plant with enough capacity to run 90 per cent of the airport for four days is in place should the power station, or main grid fail. As well, a bank of batteries sits on standby, able to power essential functions such as security for hours on end if the diesel option is lost.The western concourse will mirror the southern concourse terminal which was completed in 2010 and occupied by Qantas. An eye-popping 28m-high atrium will separate the two concourses.
Virgin Airlines remains in the old terminal, which is being dismantled in stages, and will move into the western concourse once it's completed. The new terminal will have capacity for more carriers, international travellers and associated services such as Customs.
Construction Control senior project manager Ross Cleaver said staging of aircraft parking, passenger and vehicle access and parking, taxi services, rental cars and keeping all of the services and utilities going while replacing everything in the precinct had been one of the main challenges.
"It's like a game of chess, getting access to these areas," Mr Cleaver said while walking across new sections of the airport apron.
"And I'm not good at chess," he added. More than 80,000 square metres of new apron is replacing 30-year-old, heavily patched bitumen. Parked planes put the heaviest stress on the apron, and stand on 400mm thick concrete with heavier aggregate to handle the load. Crane working heights are limited at various points around the precinct and aren't allowed to operate in fog as Canberra's biggest privately-funded infrastructure project inches forward. Mr Cleaver said all the heavy lifting for the atrium, including the installation of 17 tonne steel beams and nine-metre long glass panels, had been completed. Apron works, including the demolition of the remaining old terminal should be finished in November next year.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:01 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 43):
the size of Woden Plaza

Is that it? Woden Plaza feels pretty cramped inside, so doesn't inspire me with much confidence!

That said, everything we've seen so far has been excellent, so I am looking forward to its completion.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 43):
An eye-popping 28m-high atrium will separate the two concourses.

I'm looking forward to seeing this!

Quoting EK413 (Reply 43):
the demolition of the remaining old terminal should be finished in November next year.

Interesting, that's good to know.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 43):
Virgin Airlines remains in the old terminal

And who might they be precisely    
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:42 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 36):
That would've been an impressive sighting too, however not from a passenger perspective onboard the flight executing the go around...

I actually thought it was a missed approach it was so low. I would have been pissed if I was a passenger on there!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:12 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 44):

Over all the terminal design is nice and sleek... I love it... Wish SYD could have a similar terminal, however on a larger scale...


Quoting sydscott (Reply 45):

That would make 2 of us especially if I was looking forward to getting home after a weekend away... Really p#ssed!

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:17 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 31):
quarantine inspection before checkin.

Wouldn't work - one could easily pick up an apple (could be fresh or could be rotten and have fruit flies) or other such items in the lounge/in the terminal/on the plane and take that across the border. The only effective way is after landing.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:20 am

There is an article in today's SMH outlining the growing Intl presence on Virgin's share registry:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/airli...-virgin-stakes-20121203-2ar24.html

Would Foreign ownership limits be impacted should SQ and EY want to increase their stake up to 20% each?

Certainly interesting times ahead, having 3 different foreign airlines on board is a juggling act to say the least, especially as not all 3 have the same underlying interests. Of particular interest is the dynamic between EY & SQ, unless EY and SQ are eyeing a closer relationship, there is a bit of a conflict with VA putting their code on both EY and SQ services (some of which will inevitably overlap).
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:53 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 48):
Would Foreign ownership limits be impacted should SQ and EY want to increase their stake up to 20% each?

No, following the restructure of the VA companies, the listed company only covers the domestic airline and that is not subject to foreign ownership limits. There is a 20% limit under takeover laws which is why they all sit at no more than 20%.

Assuming SQ and EY want to move to 20%, it will be interesting to see if VAH issue more shares so as to improve cash on hand or the foreign airlines buy on-market which should give the existing general shareholders a bit of a hike in their share price. It is important to remember that a lot of VAH's "mum and dad" shareholders didn't actually buy shares in Virgin. They were given them when Toll divested its share so a lot of them (me included) would be happy to sell if the price was OK.
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