yendig
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BA & VS Attack BHX

Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:19 pm

From our local paper:

http://www.birminghampost.net/news/w...ter#sitelife-commentsWidget-bottom

If BHX is so bad, how come Emirates are so successful here? Couldn't other international carriers send an occasional widebody here? I'm thinking especially that a Chinese airline might work given the joint manufacturing connections in the area? LTI, MG & Jaguar-Land Rover spring to mind in the automotive sector alone.
 
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RE: BA & VS Attack BHX

Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:03 pm

While "attack" might be a strong word to use...they are right. They didn't say that international airlines cannot be successful in BHX, they said that BHX could never be an alternative to London and a strong international hub, which is correct.
 
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RE: BA & VS Attack BHX

Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:44 pm

No suprise there !!

But they are correct BHX is my local airport 15 minute drive great airport love it hassle free for spain etc.

I also consider Heathrow my local Airport as well only a one hour or so drive down the M40 for long haul.

So there you go BHX is way too close to heathrow to ever be a strong international hub.

I would rather fly from heathrow on a wide body to the states than from BHX on the current offering from united the 757.

[Edited 2012-11-23 12:47:19]
 
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RE: BA & VS Attack BHX

Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:54 pm

From the OP link: By failing to increase capacity at Heathrow for foreign operators, the Government was making it harder for British airlines to expand operations overseas, Virgin said.

Read More http://www.birminghampost.net/news/w...ntsWidget-bottom#ixzz2D55aemAs


That I agree with. Who would grant British airlines more access without equivalent access to LHR?

Quoting yendig (Thread starter):
If BHX is so bad, how come Emirates are so successful here?

But not nearly as successful as at LHR. BHX has promise, but it is not located close enough to sufficient wealth to become an international hub. Will it grow as a major spoke?   

Quoting skinny (Reply 2):
I would rather fly from heathrow on a wide body to the states than from BHX on the current offering from united the 757.

If the A321NEO is made TATL capable, and it will (a question of when, not if), you will have more choice. I do not think BHX will ever become a major hub, but it will gain connections.

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RE: BA & VS Attack BHX

Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:02 pm

Quoting skinny (Reply 2):
I would rather fly from heathrow on a wide body to the states than from BHX on the current offering from united the 757.

Ageed. However, could they not even make a single twin-aisle work from BHX....?    

Maybe the 787 will change things   
 
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RE: BA & VS Attack BHX

Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:30 pm

Quoting yendig (Reply 4):
Maybe the 787 will change things

Hope so that might change my view in flying long haul from BHX.

I really miss AA to ORD shame flight always seemed full in Y&J maybe they might be back one day or united may use 787 lets hope so.   

[Edited 2012-11-23 13:31:35]
 
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RE: BA & VS Attack BHX

Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:32 pm

BHX is my local airport as well, and would take it over LHR any day. I suppose its too much to ask for BA and VS to consider that there are some of us in "the regions" who would rather travel from our local airports than shlep to London.

It would be nice to see more long haul flights from BHX, but I don't see it coming from any UK based carriers. We already have service to all of the major European hubs and I'm more than happy to travel via AMS/CDG/FRA/ZRH/BRU to get wherever I need to go.

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RE: BA & VS Attack BHX

Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:22 pm

Quoting skinny (Reply 2):
I would rather fly from heathrow on a wide body to the states than from BHX on the current offering from united the 757.

You'll find that United are also using the 757 from LHR to EWR.

Anyway what is the problem with flying on a 757 long haul, I bet no one would complain about flying long haul on the upper deck of a 747-400.
 
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RE: BA & VS Attack BHX

Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:33 pm

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 6):
I'm more than happy to travel via AMS/CDG/FRA/ZRH/BRU to get wherever I need to go.

Quite. I'm off to Thailand in January and will be routing through CPH from BHX. A pity, as I'd prefer non-stop but no longer need the 'Heathrow-hassle' factor.

One query though: I'm not aware of any Oneworld airlines that fly from BHX that also allow me to connect globally. I can utilise Skyteam (AF & KL) & Star (take your pick). Why not Oneworld?
 
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Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:51 am

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 6):
BHX is my local airport as well, and would take it over LHR any day. I suppose its too much to ask for BA and VS to consider that there are some of us in "the regions" who would rather travel from our local airports than shlep to London.

Fair enough.

Exactly the same argument can be made about the Birmingham Post article. It says:

"And [BA and VS] claimed that regional airports such as Birmingham could not provide an alternative to expanding capacity in the South East."

Just as those living or working locally to BHX would prefer to fly through BHX those living or working in the South East would rather travel from their local airport than make the trek to BHX for their flight.

As far as lowering APD from regional airports like BHX to try to encourage those travelling to and from the southeast to use those airports this would defeat the whole (somewhat dubious) stated raison d'etre of APD, namely as a "green" tax. It would simply encourage potential passengerrs to fly approximately the same distance but would result in an additional car journey of around 100 miles at the start and the end of their journey for many. But I guess as far as the Exchequer is concerned the loss of APD would be more than made up with the increased income from the duty and VAT on petrol and diesel.
 
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RE: BA & VS Attack BHX

Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:07 am

BHX was a BA euro-hub during the 80s. Anywhere could be a hub if airlines showed confidence in it.

BHX has to have an advantage over other airports which could be fast connections, cheap parking or fantastic facilities.

I admit I have never flown through BHX in all my time, neither on business or pleasure. Maybe it has a marketing problem.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: BA & VS Attack BHX

Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:32 pm

When BA Regional used the "Euro Hub" with BAC1-11 at BHX the flights did not terminate in BHX all the flight operated a domestic sector for example CDG BHX EDI or TXL BHX EDI or some onto GLA as BHX could not provide enough pax even in those days.
 
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RE: BA & VS Attack BHX

Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:46 pm

The issue is that BHX is really too close to LHR and MAN. When living in Worcester, it was, on a good run, only an hour and five minute drive up to MAN to jump on a widebody service across the pond. It could on some days take just as long due to the M42 to get to BHX!

VS could probably make a bucket and spade route to MCO work using a 330. GLA has been successful for VS so far however GLA is different to BHX as it really doesn't have to 'compete' with MAN and LHR.
 
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RE: BA & VS Attack BHX

Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:56 pm

Quoting willd (Reply 13):

Did you mean 1 hour 50. Worcester to MAN is approx 100 miles.
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RE: BA & VS Attack BHX

Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:28 pm

Quoting sbworcs (Reply 14):
Did you mean 1 hour 50. Worcester to MAN is approx 100 miles.

Time is relative at speed...
 
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RE: BA & VS Attack BHX

Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:12 pm

BHX is trying to sabotage what little hope, if any, LHR has left at a 3rd runway, and that is why BA and VS are attacking BHX. what did Birmingham expect, a dozen roses instead?

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RE: BA & VS Attack BHX

Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:02 pm

Quoting yendig (Thread starter):
If BHX is so bad, how come Emirates are so successful here? Couldn't other international carriers send an occasional widebody here?

I think intercontinental services would need a hub at the other end to work properly, hence Emirates can be successful.
 
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RE: BA & VS Attack BHX

Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:04 pm

I'm sure that if CA can make DUS - BJS work,despite being near their FRA flights, then similary a BHX - BJS link-up should work, given the similar distance BHX is from LHR is to DUS from FRA. Especially, as has already been pointed out, with the automotive industry connections.