ThomasCook
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Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:18 pm

Hi all,

LOT have released a full panoramic tour of their new 787 - SP-LRA - delivered last week. It is available on their dedicated 787 site and shows pretty much every area onboard as well as external views. Great set up;

dreamliner.lot.com

Enjoy!

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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:51 pm

Great looking cabin!

Also confirms that the seat in row 27 that I'm in next month doesn't have a window which I kind of guessed at the time anyway but it was the only seat left! Luckily I'm flying it twice and booked a seat further forward the cabin for the second flight.

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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:22 am

Am I missing something or don't the Premium Club seats have personal screens? Elite Club and Economy Class apparently have them, but why not the class in between?
 
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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:24 am

Quoting OlafW (Reply 2):

Am I missing something or don't the Premium Club seats have personal screens? Elite Club and Economy Class apparently have them, but why not the class in between?

In the armrest I think. You can see the word 'Lift' which I where the screen probably pops up.
 
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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:39 am

Quoting OlafW (Reply 2):
Am I missing something or don't the Premium Club seats have personal screens? Elite Club and Economy Class apparently have them, but why not the class in between?

If you go to the actual page showing the seat and hover over the inside right armrest it tells you their is a 12" screen.
 
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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:01 am

That was really nice - especially the look at the crew rest facilities!
 
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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:24 am

Great presentation! Flight deck looks sweet. Come on Delta, get some of these babies!
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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:45 pm

3-3-3 coach and premium economy...no thanks
 
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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:52 pm

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 7):
3-3-3 coach and premium economy...no thanks

Premium Club looks awfully like 2-3-2 to me! Take another look...   
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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:37 am

What's with the FSX Cessna sound effects?
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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:49 am

Having flown on an NH 787, there is no "wow factor" when you enter - there is no amazing, spacious archway at the forward entry as Boeing marketed. That was a key feature of the "Dreamliner", but the "Realityliner" looks pretty much as cramped as other modern aircraft. To prove the point, the LOT animated tour at this thread shows the entry with what seems to be galley instalments that block the view and limit the 'spacious feel' that Boeing has marketed. Furthermore, the views looking forward are of the generic-looking bulkhead wall. At the link below, there's even a mock-up pic by Boeing of the amazing archway which does not feature in the Ethiopian video at that page.

I know it's a case of space, practicalities and efficiency vs design, but it's blatantly false to show images of an "artists image" cabin that bears no resemblance to the reality of what faces you sitting 3-3-3 in economy.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/...-on-the-inside-ethiopian-shows-us/
 
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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:58 pm

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 10):
Having flown on an NH 787, there is no "wow factor" when you enter - there is no amazing, spacious archway at the forward entry as Boeing marketed.

The arch is an option. Some carriers have it, some don't. NH doesn't.

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 10):
That was a key feature of the "Dreamliner", but the "Realityliner" looks pretty much as cramped as other modern aircraft.

You show me another equivalently sized airliner where someone who's 6'2" can walk from aisle to aisle without ducking and can stand up straight in every seat except the windows.

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 10):
I know it's a case of space, practicalities and efficiency vs design, but it's blatantly false to show images of an "artists image" cabin that bears no resemblance to the reality of what faces you sitting 3-3-3 in economy.

It's not blatantly false; some carriers have the arch and some don't. The ones that do put it in every photo they've got. The Ethiopian link you sent clearly states that the upper photo is a mockup of the *Boeing* interior while the lower panorama is the *Ethiopian* interior. Ethiopian chose not to have the arch for their interior. Not all airlines made the same choice.

Typically, you see the arch missing from carriers with high density seating combined with planned long-haul routes, in which case they need the extra galley space. Carriers with lower density interiors or medium-range route plans can spare the space.
 
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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:15 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 11):
Some carriers have it, some don't.

OK, so which airlines have it? I'd like to see the pics... and experience the "wow factor".
 
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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:29 pm

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 12):
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 11):
Some carriers have it, some don't.

OK, so which airlines have it?

Of the airlines that have taken deliveries so far:
-ANA's high-density configuration (yes, they're backwards from the trend)...they don't have it on the low-density configuration that I assume you were on
-JAL
-LAN
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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:36 pm

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 10):
That was a key feature of the "Dreamliner"

It wasn't a key feature. Its just an archway.

The plane flies and does so efficiently and quietly. Those are key features.

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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:18 pm

Hi,

You've got to remember that this feature uses up valuable 'real estate' and has to fit in with the cabin layout. If you have a J cabin running from doors 1 beyond doors 2 then it may be more practical. It also depends on the kind of flights intended for these aircraft. Galley space is very much at a premium versus saleable seats. LOT has the 'arch' as I expect is standard on all 787s however in this case it is obscured by galley 'down' lighting and the galley units themselves as is similar in United's case. That 'open' entrance isn't quite so open on JAL either. Accommodating this touch may well be the difference between lay flat or angled beds in business; I think it's a no brainer which customers would appreciate the most! The following picture says it all;



There is so much wasted cabin real estate here and airlines need to maximise revenue at every opportunity. To sumise this image simply; you would never find a J cabin with no bulkhead or divider between Y class.

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[Edited 2012-11-25 15:25:19]
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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:33 am

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 15):
You've got to remember that this feature uses up valuable 'real estate'

Its value depends on what you were going to put there instead. You have to have a cross-aisle at the doors so you can't run seats in that space. If you don't have a high enough seat count coupled with long routes, you don't need that galley space (the 787 has a monster aft galley to help with this) so you may as well save the weight/maintenance/cost of galley monuments. If you just do the arch (and not the photo-friendly but unrealistic "lobby" that's much wider) it's a perfectly sensible alternative to a galley/lav complex you don't need.

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 15):
LOT has the 'arch' as I expect is standard on all 787s however in this case it is obscured by galley 'down' lighting and the galley units themselves as is similar in United's case.

If the galley are there the arch isn't...the galley's and associated chillers go right up into the ceiling and take the place of the arch. There are "arch-looking" ceiling inserts outboard of the galleys but the full arch isn't there.

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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:21 am

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 10):

I know it's a case of space, practicalities and efficiency vs design, but it's blatantly false to show images of an "artists image" cabin that bears no resemblance to the reality of what faces you sitting 3-3-3 in economy

False or otherwise, there's just something about having no bulkhead at all between classes that as a passenger, I really wouldn't like. For me, there is such a thing as too much open space in a plane.

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 16):
(the 787 has a monster aft galley to help with this)

Does it now? How would you say it compares to the set-up in the aft of an MD-11 or A330? Haven't seen the inside of a line 787 yet, but I've seen plenty of the former.
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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:34 am

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 17):
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 16):
(the 787 has a monster aft galley to help with this)

Does it now? How would you say it compares to the set-up in the aft of an MD-11 or A330?

No idea, I haven't been in the aft galley of an MD-11 or A330. I think I've been in the aft galley of a DC-10, which I assume is comparable to the MD-11, but that was about 20 years ago and I really don't remember any details.

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 17):
Haven't seen the inside of a line 787 yet, but I've seen plenty of the former.

I based my statement on what I've been told buy galley designers plus the reactions of many many flight attendants who seem very happy when they see the 787 aft galley (although I'm not sure any of them had seen an MD-11 or A330 either).

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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:43 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 14):
It wasn't a key feature. Its just an archway.

and the larger windows are 'just' larger windows, too... Boeing marketed the interior as well as the avionics.
 
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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:49 am

What an amazing site- The aircraft looks great but I was a little shocked at how non premium the Business class looks.
The seat pitch looks tight and very cramped- especially for a long haul flight.

I loved the shiny new galleys and wow, what a great crew rest!
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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:59 pm

43cm seat bottom for Economy looks tight!
 
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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:31 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 16):
You have to have a cross-aisle at the doors so you can't run seats in that space. If you don't have a high enough seat count coupled with long routes, you don't need that galley space (the 787 has a monster aft galley to help with this) so you may as well save the weight/maintenance/cost of galley monuments.

Yes of course a cross-over is essential however the space a cross-over requires will be used in the most effective way. Now obviously the likes of LO, UA and NH (low density) require that space for galley units as I can confidently asume they haven't just gone and put the galley's in for the fun of it.

In LOTs instance, it is very suitable to have a galley at doors 2 from a cabin service perspective as having no doors 2 galley would be unpractical for the W class service as the crew's galley would then be down at doors 4. For long range operations, having additional galley space in the most practical area without eating into revenue space is essential. A cosmetic touch such as the arched entrance isn't likely to be the focal point of most pax journey. It likely may not make any impact whatsoever or may be quickly forgotten about as it is the comfort and service that will be the defining point of the flight.

Quoting Atlflyer (Reply 21):
43cm seat bottom for Economy looks tight!

It depends on how LOT measures this. Some carriers measure from the inside of the armrests and others from middle. LOTs is line with UA and potentially above LAs at 42.5cm depending on how they measure. JA and NH quote 46cm...

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RE: Full Panoramic Tour Of LOTs New 787

Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:46 am

I dont like these J class seats look on any airline, but in this case the seat cover design and colours make it somewhat tolerable, maybe it they had headrests attached they would look better.

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