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New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:57 pm

DL will be making another round MEM cuts shortly after the holidays. All told, the number of departures which will fall from 111 to 94 which roughly equates to a 15% decrease in the number of flights. Three destinations will be discontinued and ten more will see frequency reductions (highlighted below). Perhaps the only surprising part is how close in most of these cuts are coming, with the majority taking place starting on 3Jan and a couple starting in mid-February or post Spring Break. Details are as follows:

Destinations being discontinued are: BHM, FLL (effective 8Apr - seasonal perhaps?), and JAX.

Destinations seeing a frequency reduction: BNA, JAN, LAX, LIT, MCI, RDU, SAT, STL, TUL, TYS.

All changes can be verified on delta.com

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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:22 pm

Enter NK? I think MEM is ripe for NK to begin service to DFW.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:24 pm

The FLL and JAX cuts make sense. I can't think of too many places from which it would be more direct to connect through MEM while heading to Florida as opposed to ATL.

With the other reductions, the MEM downsizing becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The fewer flights offered, the more attractive it becomes to connect through ATL, which means there's less demand for MEM, which means a further reduction in flights, etc.

Never connected through there, so don't have an opinion on the plusses and minuses, but, like most folks here, can't say any of this is really surprising.
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:28 pm

There may be fanboys on here for MEM, but quite honestly MEM is RJ land. I would purposely avoid MEM as a connector as at least 50% of the time I would be on a CR2 both in and out of MEM.

I just wish DL would stop the slow bleed of both MEM and CVG and just re-name the airport type as focus city. That way there would be one round of whining and not several.
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:13 pm

What a slow, painful death. Under 100 flights now. Cuts like BHM are really tough. MEM is a great connecting point for traffic to the north and west of it.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:19 pm

I wonder what will happen when WN comes to MEM. WIll DL fight back or will they just continue cuts? What is CVG at now?
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:48 pm

You better double check FLL. I show it continuing on indefinitely. It keeps the same flight number but switches times.

DL 2311 is bookable through Oct. 10 and beyond.
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:55 pm

I'm seeing 93-96 daily departures for MEM in March (except Saturday, which is 20). Most cities are down to 1-2 flights/day, with ATL (9), CVG, DCA, IAH, ORD, CLT, IND, DTW, DFW, LGA, MSP, MSY, SLC and MCO at 3/each.

Mainline departures are 25-26 a day with 16 on Saturday. Mainline is ATL (9x), DTW (2x), FLL (1x), LAS (2x), LAX (1-2x), LGA (2x), MCO (3x), MSP (2x), PHX (1x), SLC (1x), TPA (1x) and CUN (Sat only).
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:38 pm

Quoting premobrimo (Reply 6):
You better double check FLL. I show it continuing on indefinitely. It keeps the same flight number but switches times.

DL 2311 is bookable through Oct. 10 and beyond.

The flight is not bookable on delta.com after 07Apr. If it was removed in error, it has not yet been fixed.

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 7):
I'm seeing 93-96 daily departures for MEM in March (except Saturday, which is 20). Most cities are down to 1-2 flights/day, with ATL (9), CVG, DCA, IAH, ORD, CLT, IND, DTW, DFW, LGA, MSP, MSY, SLC and MCO at 3/each.

Yes, March peaks out at 96 daily departures but that will fall to 94 in April as MCO is seasonally reduced and FLL is suspended.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:20 pm

Quoting xjramper (Reply 3):
There may be fanboys on here for MEM, but quite honestly MEM is RJ land. I would purposely avoid MEM as a connector as at least 50% of the time I would be on a CR2 both in and out of MEM.

I just wish DL would stop the slow bleed of both MEM and CVG and just re-name the airport type as focus city. That way there would be one round of whining and not several.

Wow poor MEM, the misery just keeps on coming. I'll bet a year from now it will just be reduced to spokes and lucky if they have any other cities. I agree though, why now re-classify MEM and CVG as DL focus cities now, that's more of what they are now anyways.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 5):
I wonder what will happen when WN comes to MEM. WIll DL fight back or will they just continue cuts? What is CVG at now?

I think CVG is still around 150 ish flights (could be a little more or less not totally sure, maybe someone on here would have more accurate numbers). CVG is at least in a better standing at this point maintaining over 100 flights and also retaining CDG service. I guess it speaks for the demographics of the population and business community.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:49 pm

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 9):
CVG is at least in a better standing at this point maintaining over 100 flights and also retaining CDG service. I guess it speaks for the demographics of the population and business community.

Oddly enough, though, CVG is showing far fewer total passengers than MEM through September 2012.

MEM - Jan-Sep 2012 - 5,358,962 total passengers source

CVG - Jan-Sep 2012 - 4,636,326 total passengers source

Note: CVG has reported October totals, but MEM hasn't yet. Adding in October totals brings CVG up to 5,151,260 total passengers - still less than MEM had reported through the month of September.

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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:29 pm

According to delta.com they have 118 flights from Cincinnati per day and 45 destinations. The strange thing is that also according to delta.com they have two Skyclubs. To my knowledge we only have one in Concourse B near gate 14.
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:54 pm

I hate this for Memphis. And I'm tired of the whiners, who likely don't even fly. I remember as a kid, in the 70s, when Delta controlled all of concourse A with dozens of flights. Then, Delta pulled back when Republic was formed from the merger of Southern and North Central. Later, Northwest came in and for decades had a nice sized thriving hub. At one point, NWA increased flights, adding a 4th bank of flights. I remember the DC-10s and other aircraft. But, with economies come corrections. It seems like we're headed back to pre-deregulation days where a few point cities are hubs. Now, hang on before you go off on me. I'm a novice, former Memphian. I believe Memphis will rise above this and do well in the future.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:01 pm

Connecting in MEM was a breeze. I always thought it was a very nice airport to go though. It was never too crowded, and had a few good BBQ places too. I also miss AA's BNA operation. Although ATL is logically a good hub airport, it is so big and crowded, I try to avoid it.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:12 pm

Quoting sampa737 (Reply 12):

I hate this for Memphis. And I'm tired of the whiners, who likely don't even fly. I remember as a kid, in the 70s, when Delta controlled all of concourse A with dozens of flights. Then, Delta pulled back when Republic was formed from the merger of Southern and North Central. Later, Northwest came in and for decades had a nice sized thriving hub. At one point, NWA increased flights, adding a 4th bank of flights. I remember the DC-10s and other aircraft. But, with economies come corrections. It seems like we're headed back to pre-deregulation days where a few point cities are hubs. Now, hang on before you go off on me. I'm a novice, former Memphian. I believe Memphis will rise above this and do well in the future.

I feel you 100% man. MEM is my childhood airport. I hate to see it in the shape it is now. I even remember seeing KL's DC-10s there. The last time I was at MEM, the AMS A330 flew over my head. I'm not and Airbus fan, but even seeing an Airbus widebody that wasn't Fedex fly into MEM made me feel good. I hope to see MEM rebound one day and become the hub it used to be.
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:19 pm

Quoting xjramper (Reply 3):
There may be fanboys on here for MEM, but quite honestly MEM is RJ land. I would purposely avoid MEM as a connector as at least 50% of the time I would be on a CR2 both in and out of MEM.

I just wish DL would stop the slow bleed of both MEM and CVG and just re-name the airport type as focus city. That way there would be one round of whining and not several.

Death by a thousand paper cuts? I agree.
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:36 am

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 5):

Why would DL fight back if WN shows up given Delta is cutting without WN being there. It doesn't make sense for DL to do an about face and fight WN.


BHM is a painful cut
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:48 am

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 7):
with ATL (9), CVG, DCA, IAH, ORD, CLT, IND, DTW, DFW, LGA, MSP, MSY, SLC and MCO at 3/each.

Please add AUS who still survives from this round of cuts.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:06 am

My take...you can't build and maintain a good hub on connecting traffic alone. You have to have O&D. I recently tried to book ORD-MEM (90 minute flight) weeks in advance and was quoted $530. Sorta hard to have healthy local traffic if you price the locals out of the market.

One fella I know from around there got so tired of being shaken down by DL that he switched to using NetJets.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:27 am

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 5):
I wonder what will happen when WN comes to MEM

I wouldn't hold my breath about WN when it comes to MEM. I hate to be a naysayer, but I really do not expect anything out of WN. Everyone in MEM who hates DL was excited about the WN takeover of FL. All I have seen or read is more or less, "Just wait and see Delta. Southwest will eat your lunch!" with the latest hopes pinned to the November 19 announcement from WN about upcoming city and route changes and additions. Well, the 11/19 announcement came and went without any mention of MEM. MEM will be on the list next time, they say. Not so much, I say. While WN plays a good word game when it comes to MEM, they are just blowing smoke, as they say around here. If WN was really interested in doing anything with MEM, they would have done it early on in the merger with FL instead of making it their last move.

I, too, grew up with MEM as my home airport. I even worked for DL in MEM. I was there when DL operated a mini-hub in MEM and was there the day the hub operation of Republic began.

So, it is with the greatest of kindness and respect that I say the following: To the people of MEM and to the people who now run DL, please part ways! Delta - please move all your operations to ATL and quit dragging this thing out. You don't want MEM, you don't need MEM and you are only staying to keep those promises you made to the feds when you wanted the merger with NW to be approved. To the people of Memphis, let Delta go. Quit bashing them every time you turn around and get over your perceived self importance of the "international" airport. DL is in business to make money and they have shareholders and employees to answer to. The sooner you let them go, the more quickly the airport will reach its natural equilibrium. It may take a while, but it will happen. And when that happens, I firmly believe that the airport and the community will see better fares, better routes and more innovative air carriers serving the people of MEM.

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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:29 am

What is keeping DL from finally pulling the plug on MEM and CVG? Is it financial incentives? Politics?

Does SLC have a chance for a build up?
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:34 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 14):
I even remember seeing KL's DC-10s there.

At one time, in the '73-'74 timeframe, you would have seen DL DC-10s or L-1011s, there.
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:43 am

Quoting TheGov (Reply 19):
Everyone in MEM who hates DL was excited about the WN takeover of FL.

Why wouldn't they be excited about it? Whenever WN cuts it over to WN service, MEM will gain low fare service to a number of large local markets - likely at least BWI, MDW, DEN and HOU. Even if WN doesn't have more than 15 or 20 daily flights, there's still good news for local travelers in MEM.
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:28 am

Quoting TheGov (Reply 19):
While WN plays a good word game when it comes to MEM, they are just blowing smoke, as they say around here.

I'm not sure what you were expecting...to have a WN station the size of BNA by now?
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:31 am

CVG apparently has hit the proverbial plateau of cuts. Nothing seems to be planned now, or later, but we still have no idea how long we can continue walking straight. MOST of the flights out of CVG these days, according to a gate agent, are overbooked. I was waiting for my flight to ATL-PHX and they actually had to forcibly bump 3 pax from a different flight. Those pax were refunded but something forced the gate agents to bump those 3 pax from that flight...
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:39 am

Just for the sake of being out-of-the-blue, can a 757 do MEM-AMS?

Now that my random question has been said, what is the next passenger airline, after DL reduces it to a spoke, to have a major presence in MEM?
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:51 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 25):
Just for the sake of being out-of-the-blue, can a 757 do MEM-AMS?

It's well out of a 757's range, but if MEM was farther north and east, I'm sure this would be a fine a/c for this role. If a 757 was to do a CVG-CDG routing, it would BARELY make it on its range.
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:40 am

How many of these cut cities, except LAX of course, areflown by regional aircfraft? Do the cuts have anything to do with DLs goal of dumping the CRJ200? Has this been accelerated by Pinnacle's bankruptcy?
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:48 am

On a related note:

"Memphis International Airport officials on Thursday approved the airport's first long-term lease agreement that lets airlines surrender terminal space once a year.

Airport Authority officials said airlines didn't want to be tied to long-term commitments for terminal space, and the escape clause could benefit the airport's effort to bring in new passenger service.

Airport president and CEO Larry Cox said Delta Air Lines probably wanted the flexible lease to make it easier to further reduce its hub operation at Memphis. The five-year lease runs through 2017 and is designed to equitably share airfield and terminal expenses among passenger and cargo airlines.
"

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...o-give-delta-air-lines-a-flexible/
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:50 am

Regarding CVG vs MEM, I wonder if the economy in CVG is stronger than that of MEM, thus explaining the larger size of the cuts in the latter. It's hard to know what the future will hold, but it simply does not look good. MEM was always known for its "Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner" hub banks. Too bad they've gone away. I just don't see 2x a day from most places sustaining a hub there over the long term, but perhaps I'm wrong. ATL seems fuller than ever to me, even though it is still far from capacity. Perhaps the cutting of MEM could mean more service to MSP/DTW, but doubt it.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:38 pm

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 23):
I'm not sure what you were expecting...to have a WN station the size of BNA by now?

No. I really don't expect anything more out of WN than a continuation of the 4 daily MEM-ATL flights that FL offers. If there are additional cities or frequencies, as Cubsrule suggest, it wouldn't be more than 15-20.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):
Even if WN doesn't have more than 15 or 20 daily flights, there's still good news for local travelers in MEM.

Not to cut down MEM, but the people of MEM have the mindset that they are worthy of non-stops to a number of cities and therefore like to complain about making connections. In addition, I don't know how they will treat WN when MEM is added to their network. Sure, WN doesn't charge for every little thing like the legacy carriers do, but their fares are not as low as the once were. It may take a while, but WN will discover, as DL has, that the O/D traffic in MEM is weak. How good of news it will be remains to be seen. If you truly want a low fare carrier, Spirit and Allegiant are the ones to hope for.
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:37 pm

Quoting TheGov (Reply 30):
Sure, WN doesn't charge for every little thing like the legacy carriers do, but their fares are not as low as the once were.

. . . but still well lower than what DL wants to a place like Chicago. DL wants $1,100 for a day trip to Chicago tomorrow. WN wants $512 for a day trip to BNA. That's only one data point, but it's pretty consistent with the fare spread between the two.
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:20 pm

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 17):
Please add AUS who still survives from this round of cuts.

Pinnacle will keep this route to get an aircraft to AUS MX.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:26 pm

Quoting Squid (Reply 13):
Connecting in MEM was a breeze. I always thought it was a very nice airport to go though. It was never too crowded, and had a few good BBQ places too. I also miss AA's BNA operation. Although ATL is logically a good hub airport, it is so big and crowded, I try to avoid it.

Boy did you get that right about the BBQ places! On trips into MEM the crew would decide which place to go to for either a sit down lunch/dinner or a "grab and go." There is one place that has a walk-up window that is VERY popular with the employees.
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 33):
Connecting in MEM was a breeze. I always thought it was a very nice airport to go though. It was never too crowded, and had a few good BBQ places too. I also miss AA's BNA operation.

All the small hubs are/were good places. We'll miss them when they're gone.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:20 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 34):
Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 33):
Connecting in MEM was a breeze. I always thought it was a very nice airport to go though. It was never too crowded, and had a few good BBQ places too. I also miss AA's BNA operation.

All the small hubs are/were good places. We'll miss them when they're gone.

I agree on this one. I flew SEA-DFW-ICT several times on AA for business in the early 2000s. One time my ICT-DFW flight was cancelled due to ice storms in DFW. So AA rerouted me through STL and I got home at almost the same time. In fact, I enjoyed that routing so much that I asked to be booked SEA-STL-ICT on subsequent ICT trips. STL was a breeze.

Of course if that happened again, I'd probably be delayed a long time rather than just an efficient rerouting, since AA has gutted STL.

Likewise, I flew VPS-MEM-SEA two years ago on DL and thought it was way better than ATL.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:42 pm

It will be sad to see the smaller city hubs be fazed out! The bright spot CLE really seems to be beating the "odds". Lets hope CLE can keep it going the RJs seem to be around for a while lets hope CLE can keep it rocking for many years to come!
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:28 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 35):
Of course if that happened again, I'd probably be delayed a long time rather than just an efficient rerouting, since AA has gutted STL.

You'd be delayed a very long time or need an additional stop - there is no non-stop service between STL and ICT today.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:53 pm

Quoting steex (Reply 37):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 35):
Of course if that happened again, I'd probably be delayed a long time rather than just an efficient rerouting, since AA has gutted STL.

You'd be delayed a very long time or need an additional stop - there is no non-stop service between STL and ICT today.

That was exactly my point. I'd be stuck in DFW if that happened again. I think you misunderstood my statement.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:54 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 38):
That was exactly my point. I'd be stuck in DFW if that happened again. I think you misunderstood my statement.

Indeed I did. My apologies.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:03 pm

Quoting TheGov (Reply 19):
I wouldn't hold my breath about WN when it comes to MEM. I hate to be a naysayer, but I really do not expect anything out of WN. Everyone in MEM who hates DL was excited about the WN takeover of FL. All I have seen or read is more or less, "Just wait and see Delta. Southwest will eat your lunch!" with the latest hopes pinned to the November 19 announcement from WN about upcoming city and route changes and additions. Well, the 11/19 announcement came and went without any mention of MEM. MEM will be on the list next time, they say. Not so much, I say. While WN plays a good word game when it comes to MEM, they are just blowing smoke, as they say around here. If WN was really interested in doing anything with MEM, they would have done it early on in the merger with FL instead of making it their last move.

I, too, grew up with MEM as my home airport. I even worked for DL in MEM. I was there when DL operated a mini-hub in MEM and was there the day the hub operation of Republic began.

So, it is with the greatest of kindness and respect that I say the following: To the people of MEM and to the people who now run DL, please part ways! Delta - please move all your operations to ATL and quit dragging this thing out. You don't want MEM, you don't need MEM and you are only staying to keep those promises you made to the feds when you wanted the merger with NW to be approved. To the people of Memphis, let Delta go. Quit bashing them every time you turn around and get over your perceived self importance of the "international" airport. DL is in business to make money and they have shareholders and employees to answer to. The sooner you let them go, the more quickly the airport will reach its natural equilibrium. It may take a while, but it will happen. And when that happens, I firmly believe that the airport and the community will see better fares, better routes and more innovative air carriers serving the people of MEM.

I couldn't agree more. MEM has seen more than it's fare share of hubs, mini hubs and focus cities rise up and crash back down. I have been part of two of them with DL and NW. I think MEM's biggest problem will always be it's O&D issue and I don't see it as ever improving much at all. I am sure that SW and a few other airlines might make their way to MEM at some point, but MEM is just not nor ever will be a hub for any airline in the future. That is unless you are a box.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:21 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 28):

On a related note:

"Memphis International Airport officials on Thursday approved the airport's first long-term lease agreement that lets airlines surrender terminal space once a year.

Airport Authority officials said airlines didn't want to be tied to long-term commitments for terminal space, and the escape clause could benefit the airport's effort to bring in new passenger service.

Airport president and CEO Larry Cox said Delta Air Lines probably wanted the flexible lease to make it easier to further reduce its hub operation at Memphis. The five-year lease runs through 2017 and is designed to equitably share airfield and terminal expenses among passenger and cargo airlines."

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...ible/

They should never have agreed to this. What is the airport going to do with all that space? They should have forced DL to pay for it. Are they actually thinking they will get a new hub? Keep dreaming...
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:26 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 41):
What is the airport going to do with all that space?

Shutter it, I expect. At this point, all carriers should be able to fit on Concourse B.
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:40 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 42):
Quoting enilria (Reply 41):
What is the airport going to do with all that space?

Shutter it, I expect. At this point, all carriers should be able to fit on Concourse B.

That won't save much.


Does this article mean that now rather than post article links as proof we can just link to our own post as proof...
"according to an airliners.net forum."
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:44 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 41):
They should never have agreed to this. What is the airport going to do with all that space? They should have forced DL to pay for it. Are they actually thinking they will get a new hub? Keep dreaming...

How exactly would they force DL to pay? If the airport attempted to force them into long-term leases, DL could respond by de-hubbing right away and reduce their ops to a handful of gates.

[Edited 2012-11-26 10:45:06]
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:50 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 43):
Does this article mean that now rather than post article links as proof we can just link to our own post as proof...

IIRC this thread is a factual summary of publicly known schedule changes. These days it can all be seen with online booking. There should not be any mystery to it.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:29 pm

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 18):
I recently tried to book ORD-MEM (90 minute flight) weeks in advance and was quoted $530. Sorta hard to have healthy local traffic if you price the locals out of the market.

DL and UA both have r/t fares for $212 on that route. It just depends on the day. If DL cannot get fares up to $530 at times, then they really do need to cut flights to keep yields up. UA is willing to take a hit out of ORD to attract business because they are absolutely committed to one of their main hubs. DL at MEM is redundant and needs to scale down to demand. When the merger was speculated, it was anticipated that CVG and MEM were toast. That is probably still true. Like STL, it will not happen overnight but they will shrink to a sustainable level.
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:34 pm

Quoting michman (Reply 44):
How exactly would they force DL to pay? If the airport attempted to force them into long-term leases, DL could respond by de-hubbing right away and reduce their ops to a handful of gates.

I didn't realize that MEM had not had a lease with Delta for 3 years. That should have been a pretty powerful hint to what was coming.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 45):
Quoting enilria (Reply 43):
Does this article mean that now rather than post article links as proof we can just link to our own post as proof...

IIRC this thread is a factual summary of publicly known schedule changes. These days it can all be seen with online booking. There should not be any mystery to it.

It's just rare you see us listed as a source by "reputable" news organizations.  
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:53 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 47):

I didn't realize that MEM had not had a lease with Delta for 3 years. That should have been a pretty powerful hint to what was coming.

Yeah definintely.

Delta is already stucking paying CVG a ton of money for gates it doesnt want. Since they are paying for those gates i think flying a decent offering at CVG is the way to loose the least amount of money. Those lease payments gotta go thru so you mine as well use some of the gates
 
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RE: New Round Of DL MEM Cuts

Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 48):
Delta is already stucking paying CVG a ton of money for gates it doesnt want. Since they are paying for those gates i think flying a decent offering at CVG is the way to loose the least amount of money. Those lease payments gotta go thru so you mine as well use some of the gates

I think we know a few things. There are more CRJs to go and at some point CVG will get hit again, but it appears pretty clear that MEM is worse than CVG. I expect MEM to be at less than 20 RTs by 2014.