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Future Of IAH.

Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:13 pm

What will be the future of IAH. Will Terminal D be expanded before 2014 Rio world cup and 2016 Olympics? Will Delta move there gates to Terminal D after United leaves when Terminal B is expanded with FIS? Future airlines coming to Houston? United expanding Houston services?
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:21 pm

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Will Terminal D be expanded before 2014 Rio world cup and 2016 Olympics?

Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:58 pm

UA will surely expand service at IAH.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:17 pm

I'd guess you'll definitely see more upgauging of RJ flights to 70 seaters and right-sizing/downgauging between 737s and Airbii, and probably some more mix and match with the rest of mainline (some 757s might go 767, 767 go 777, 767 different variants, etc.). I'm not really sure how that really works out in the end, since upgauging RJs brings essentially 15-20 more seats plus F, but flights going from 737s to Airbii lose some F, etc.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:45 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 1):
Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?

Because Houston is a suburb of Rio and they need airprt capacity.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:02 pm

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Terminal D after United leaves

United isn't in D, is it?
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:11 pm

Expansion for T-D is far in the future from what I am hearing, but their are supposedly blue prints that suggest making T-D "L" shaped or creating an infield satellite terminal across from it. Gates changes are starting to present themselves as SQ has been seen as of a few weeks ago being moved from D-4 over to the UA RJ gate D-2. Not sure if that is temporary or permanent. I do think that if that is its new gate location the wingspan of 773 is overlapping space for gates D-1 & D-3, which prevents their usage while SQ is parked. TK begins March 2013 and an Asian carrier (ie: ANA, Asiana) is rumored to be targeted by IAH for possibly next summer.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:15 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 1):
Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 4):
Because Houston is a suburb of Rio and they need airprt capacity.

I am totally confused!
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:17 pm

This whole thread is confusing and I live in IAH!
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:45 pm

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 4):
Because Houston is a suburb of Rio and they need airprt capacity.

And all this time I thought Miami was going to be the designated suburb of Rio, and might have used MIA for an alternate airport.     
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:10 pm

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Will Delta move there gates to Terminal D after United leaves when Terminal B is expanded with FIS?

To my recollection, CO/UA moved out of D when E opened. The sterile corridors lead to the same FIS however. I doubt DL could get a usable number of gates at D in its current configuration.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:51 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 1):
Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?

Houston is a great connecting point from the US to Brazil. I can't see them expanding the terminal and airfields for the Olympics, but I can see UA adding another GIG frequency and upgauging GRU during the Olympics.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
Expansion for T-D is far in the future from what I am hearing, but their are supposedly blue prints that suggest making T-D "L" shaped or creating an infield satellite terminal across from it.

I've seen on the master plan that D is supposed to have two piers coming out of the existing building, which is supposedly part of the grand scheme to make IAH look like ATL in layout. However, I think a D satellite is a great idea. It would allieveiate D during the afternoon rush of the foreign carrier traffic and also create room for expansion for any airline (i.e. DL since they want to move over to D).

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
Gates changes are starting to present themselves as SQ has been seen as of a few weeks ago being moved from D-4 over to the UA RJ gate D-2. Not sure if that is temporary or permanent.

I've seen the new J-line for D-2 and it includes 77W, I have no idea why they did that, can someone elaborate?

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
Asian carrier (ie: ANA, Asiana)

Another NRT-IAH airline or UA frequency will do great! There are also a lot of passengers from Korea on the NRT flight so I can see Asiana working really well also.

If DL does make the move to D, who will get their gates in A? I suspect UA will and then tear down the temporary building that used to be where the Colgan Saab's parked. Also, does anyone know how the airline that flies to VCT with Piper Navajos is doing?

I think the master plan also states, among others, a 9R/27L, 8C/26C, perimeter taxiway, and the big enchilada, a huge "east terminal" which apparently is supposed to be located where all the UA MX and inflight infrastructure is located now.

For the user that asked if UA is or isn't in D, the UA Express flights from Mexico arrive into D and some UAX flights depart from D since the construction in B is going on. Also, some big UA flights arrive when E is jam-packed.

Does anyone know if IAH will see more UAX E-170s?

[Edited 2012-11-26 11:56:52]
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:05 pm

According to this article they want to expand D before the Rio Olympics and world cup cause Houston has high traffic to and from Brazil. http://www.chron.com/business/articl...ion-at-Bush-airport-is-2078855.php
Delta would be great to be in Terminal D because all the other skyteam partners are there so great for customer that can come in to Houston and get on Aero Mexico and go south or Klm or Air France to Europe and so on.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:10 pm

Plus from 2 pm to 5 pm Terminal D is crowded with Flights from Klm Air France Lufthansa Emirates Qatar Singapore Aero Mexico and Taca and no more room. Sometimes Singapore goes to gate D2 cause D4 or D5 is occupied by KLM. Plus with the new Asian carrier coming after Turkish arrives they need to expand D. If y'all have been to Terminal D its dead and outdated there's not even a starbucks. Houston airport has a lot of potential can be used both as a Skyteam/ Star hub.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:12 pm

I seen a few E-170 of UA at IAH Terminal B.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:12 pm

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 12):
Delta would be great to be in Terminal D because all the other skyteam partners are there so great for customer that can come in to Houston and get on Aero Mexico and go south or Klm or Air France to Europe and so on.

Co-location is good and all, but connections just won't make sense. It'd only really work for Aeromexico because its almost 0 backtrack on Mexico-IAH-Europe vs Mexico-Europe. And since the TerminaLink train goes to all terminals and runs fast and often, so if you were to make a connection, it wouldn't be that hard anyways.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:14 pm

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
TK begins March 2013

TK starts IAH on 01Apr13 and is now bookable.

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 10):
To my recollection, CO/UA moved out of D when E opened.

Many consider the D1-D3 gates part of C since they are closer and they currently handle the RJ flights from Mexico because they are still connected to the hallway leading to the FIS building. I believe these were the gates DL was interested in, because there is no real space for DL to move during the European rush of flights with 7 of the 8 flights mostly occupied during that time frame. I am curious how much connecting traffic is seen among SkyTeam partners now because IAH is a mere spoke from the DL hubs.

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Terminal B is expanded with FIS?

Can someone correct me, but I thought this part of B has been put on hold, indefinitely, during the whole WN debate. Current construction is still a go for B-North as part of Phase 1. However, phase 2, which includes the FIS, has been put on hold.

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Will Terminal D be expanded before 2014 Rio world cup and 2016 Olympics?

As everyone mentioned, what does this have to do with IAH? Even if UA expanded ops to GIG and GRU, they would utilize E for departures and arrivals. If LATAM is interested in starting IAH-GIG and utilizes nighttime departures, there would be plenty of space at D since all the European flights except the last BA flight and the new TK flight would have departed. Yes there are masterplans to expand D, but there are plenty of ways to reshuffle the gates for one or two more new airlines, even with the LH A380 obstructing D11.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:15 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 11):
There are also a lot of passengers from Korea on the NRT flight so I can see Asiana working really well also.

How much is a lot? Id be curious to know.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:16 pm

Well if you on a the Amsterdam flight with KLM and you flew in on Delta your next ticket says Delta and people go to Delta Check in and on Delta check in counter says Air France KLM Delta representing that there partners but, you can't check in your luggage there. I seen people even go to Delta Check in counter cause they see Air France and KLM written on there thinking that they don't have to go to Terminal D. The train runs slow here and there sometimes there some delay cause of maintenance.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:23 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
How much is a lot? Id be curious to know.

I don't know numbers and I don't know the first place to begin looking for said numbers, but I escorted UM's through FIS for UA over the past two summers and I'd have to say I saw more kids with Korean passports, next was Japan, then Vietnam. I guess that could be an indicator.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:28 pm

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 18):

Where on the signage at IAH are they directing DL passengers to D? I am trying to understand what you wrote. AF and KL passengers are directed to D check-in and E/FIS for arrival. Signs for DL flights are only to A. Unless the passenger does not read their ticket information, most airlines are pretty clear of terminal departures and arrivals and if it is a codeshare flight and where to check-in.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:30 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 19):
I don't know numbers and I don't know the first place to begin looking for said numbers, but I escorted UM's through FIS for UA over the past two summers and I'd have to say I saw more kids with Korean passports, next was Japan, then Vietnam. I guess that could be an indicator.

Word of advice (and I learned the hard way on this forum), you better have the numbers and the facts to back up your comments and assertions. Trust me there are those here that will bury you with all sorts of figures, reports, ect..to counter your musings and hearsay.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:33 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 19):
I don't know numbers and I don't know the first place to begin looking for said numbers, but I escorted UM's through FIS for UA over the past two summers and I'd have to say I saw more kids with Korean passports, next was Japan, then Vietnam. I guess that could be an indicator.

Well, the local market from Houston to Seoul is 39 passengers a day per direction. If a nonstop started, that number might jump to the 50 range.

An IAH-ICN flight is going to be heavily dependant on connections. What will make the difference would be how many people they can put on there destined for places like China, Singapore, and Malaysia. IAH-Vietnam/MNL traffic is large, but so awfully low yield that its not even worth trying for.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:45 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 22):
Well, the local market from Houston to Seoul is 39 passengers a day per direction. If a nonstop started, that number might jump to the 50 range.

That's the local market, but as you said, connections would rule. But there has to be something there if there have been rumors of KE and Asiana have been rumored for service.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:55 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 23):
That's the local market, but as you said, connections would rule. But there has to be something there if there have been rumors of KE and Asiana have been rumored for service.

Exactly, but its connections to certain places that will rule. PVG, PEK, KUL, and SIN to be more exact.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:01 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 24):
Exactly, but its connections to certain places that will rule. PVG, PEK, KUL, and SIN to be more exact.


Of course. Out of curiosity, where does one find these numbers? I have always wondered what source people use for these types of info. on a.net.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:03 pm

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 20):
Where on the signage at IAH are they directing DL passengers to D? I am trying to understand what you wrote. AF and KL passengers are directed to D check-in and E/FIS for arrival. Signs for DL flights are only to A. Unless the passenger does not read their ticket information, most airlines are pretty clear of terminal departures and arrivals and if it is a codeshare flight and where to check-in.

DL/KL/AF operate as one carrier out of IAH, having seperate operations is not cost efficient and the customer confusion is horrible. Currently, if a KL or AF customer needs ticketing they are sent to terminal A for the DL agents to handle. The new Menzies employees are currently training on the DL system to handle KL anf AF customer ticketing in terminal D; this should help that issue. Also, the number one complaint from DL customers is the lounge being in terminal D. DL pays for half the costs of the operation in terminal D and wants better utilization of the resources of both operations. DL in D would allow DL to ground handle KL, AF and AM, thus saving on ground handling costs and provide better service.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:49 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 19):
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
How much is a lot? Id be curious to know.

I don't know numbers and I don't know the first place to begin looking for said numbers, but I escorted UM's through FIS for UA over the past two summers and I'd have to say I saw more kids with Korean passports, next was Japan, then Vietnam. I guess that could be an indicator.

On IAH-NRT, there are ~30-40 connections everyday going on to ICN from what I've seen.

LAXdude1023 and I have had this conversation quite a bit, but I believe OZ would do very well out of IAH by maximizing the flow traffic over ICN. The huge Star FF base at IAH and significant traffic flows to Asia could be easily captured since it is currently either a double or offline connection to places like SGN, PUS, UUS and secondary China. Just like SQ was able to capture most of the SIN, CGK and KUL traffic via its flight, OZ could improve the schedule to these destinations in addition to the tough to reach northern destinations. The schedule that would be the best is not necessarily the best for connections over IAH, but really those markets are limited in size and already covered from a network perspective compared to the unique IAH O&D. Plus I doubt UA would want to play very nicely.

Sample OZ schedule:
ICNIAH 2000-1730
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:13 pm

Quoting Tdan (Reply 27):
On IAH-NRT, there are ~30-40 connections everyday going on to ICN from what I've seen.

No, there aren't, because the local market isn't that big. Unless 100% of passengers are travelling on this one exact routing.

That said, yes, I think Houston can support Seoul service, and the local market would probably double within three years if an airline did. But the market is not huge today.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:26 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 28):
Quoting Tdan (Reply 27):
On IAH-NRT, there are ~30-40 connections everyday going on to ICN from what I've seen.

No, there aren't, because the local market isn't that big. Unless 100% of passengers are travelling on this one exact routing.

That's counting double connects which make up quite a bit of the ICN traffic on UA's IAH-NRT flight. Still, it's only an observation from multiple trips; ICN always seems to be the biggest volume connection on IAH-NRT, though it's nearly all coach traffic.
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:59 am

Do Delta passengers generally seek IAH for connections? Maybe it has been mentioned in some expansion plans somewhere, but since when has Delta had any plans to move to Terminal D, a terminal currently dedicated to International Arrivals? Also, United regularly uses Terminal D for RJ international arrivals, or at least they did until the merger drew down IAH service slightly.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:34 am

Quoting cosyr (Reply 30):
but since when has Delta had any plans to move to Terminal D, a terminal currently dedicated to International Arrivals? Also, United regularly uses Terminal D for RJ international arrivals, or at least they did until the merger drew down IAH service slightly.

I've heard this rumor plenty of times. And yes they do use D regularly.
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:22 am

It makes sense for Delta to move to gates D1 - D4 so it can be together with its partners then also if they have passengers that need to go to Europe or Mexico or so on they can connect through Houston. Plus Delta is cutting flights out of Memphis its a great opportunity to invest into Houston. If you have gone to Terminal D it has been the same its opened almost its the only terminal without a starbucks that's how bad it is. On the youtube video of Lufthansa bringing the A380 Mario Daiz Houston airport Director announces that there will be a Asian Flag carrier coming to Houston couple months After Turkish.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:33 am

Delta operates the most flights out of Us carriers other than United at IAH.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:57 am

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 33):
Delta operates the most flights out of Us carriers other than United at IAH.

I thought HAS used to report US Airways as #2 at IAH and then AA. The HAS numbers page is not loading for me at the moment, does anyone have them?
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:04 am

I just went on wikipedia saw Delta has more flights out of IAH than AA and US airways.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:22 am

Your write right airways than AA has more passengers than Delta. Still make a good benefit for Delta though. I talk to a friend at United and he was telling me that United is converting Houston to primarily a Airbus hub.

[Edited 2012-11-26 22:30:42]
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:25 am

The website is working for me now. Go to http://www.fly2houston.com/TrafficStats

for october 2012 (latest available) it looks like USAirways beats all DL and subs by about 8-9k pax but please double check my math.
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:31 am

Yup your right I checked as well. Still Delta can benefit alot from IAH.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:53 am

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 35):

I just went on wikipedia saw Delta has more flights out of IAH than AA and US airways.

DL may have more flights, but all of US flights out of IAH are mainline. And there is a good amount of US flights into IAH to begin with.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 32):
Plus Delta is cutting flights out of Memphis its a great opportunity to invest into Houston.

UA will not let this happen. They will defend their fortress hub until the end and I give UA a 99.999999999999999999999999999999% chance of winning a war against DL over IAH. I don't say 100% because as we all know, anything can happen in this industry. I think DL is still slobbering over DFW since they shut that hub down in 2004ish.
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:11 am

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 12):

According to this article they want to expand D before the Rio Olympics and world cup cause Houston has high traffic to and from Brazil. http://www.chron.com/business/articl...5.php

Chris Moran is really trying to stretch it. IAH can handle an increase in flights, especially to Brazil, and if done by UA. He should focus more on Brazil needing to update their infrastructure to handle both events!

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 12):
Delta would be great to be in Terminal D because all the other skyteam partners are there so great for customer that can come in to Houston and get on Aero Mexico and go south or Klm or Air France to Europe and so on.

With that same token, what about AA moving to be closer to BA and possibly EK? Or should US move to the D1-D3 gates just so it can be a whole lot closer to its Star Alliance partners, esp with the codeshares on UA and SQ.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 13):
Plus with the new Asian carrier coming after Turkish arrives they need to expand D.

TK will be arriving after most of the European carriers have departed, by mid-evening. When a new Asian carrier arrives at IAH, I expect it to land before the European arrival bank.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 13):
If y'all have been to Terminal D its dead and outdated there's not even a starbucks. Houston airport has a lot of potential can be used both as a Skyteam/ Star hub.

The lack of Starbucks is quite amusing but not a must!

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 32):
Plus Delta is cutting flights out of Memphis its a great opportunity to invest into Houston.

As it seems from NW's post, DL would rather consolidate and save money and any operational issues. How will DL invest in IAH if they have not made any peep of expansion beyond the hubs?
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:54 pm

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 32):
Plus Delta is cutting flights out of Memphis its a great opportunity to invest into Houston.

Not going to happen. Period.
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:08 pm

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 36):

Really? Why is that? I think the 737 will stay.

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Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:25 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 42):
Really? Why is that? I think the 737 will stay.

The 737 will stay. However, there will be less since UA is moving aircraft around to maximize the aircrafts potential. I heard that UA wants to put the A32X on more Mexico flights from IAH because of its higher cargo capacity. An A320 may work better than a 738 on some routes and a 738 may work better than an A320 on other routes.
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:32 pm

Well because US airways uses the United club with Air Canada on the North Concourse. Not many One world members at IAH as many Sky and Star so wouldn't make alot of sense. If Delta can't move they should than Air Canada to Terminal D because Air Canda has alot of connection with United.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:42 pm

There's also a new airline flying to IAH called Cal jet from Mazatlan. As well as rumors that SAS might operate to IAH from Oslo and New Zealand Airways from Auckland because UA dropped that proposal.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:30 pm

Don't forget that new Asian carrier!!
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:30 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 46):
Don't forget that new Asian carrier!!

Has something been announced?
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:38 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 47):

Mario Diaz gave us some clues during the A380 event.
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RE: Future Of IAH.

Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:55 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 48):
Mario Diaz gave us some clues during the A380 event.

He's only said "Asian flag carrier." That could be anything, and Asia is a huge continent. So it could be anything from ElAl to Vietnam Airlines.
And for my next miracle, I'm gonna turn water into funk!

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