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Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:25 pm

As part 3 has nearly reached 300 posts, its time to launch part 4.

Please continue the discussion in this part.

Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3 (by LipeGIG May 30 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Extract from last post in part 3

Another two MD-80s is due to leave the SAS fleet this week

LN-RLF leaving OSL 28NOV to IGM
SE-DIL leaving OSL 29NOV to BYH

And last week another 737-700 arrived in ARN. SE-REX, a former Virgin Australia aircraft.

And it is not many weeks untill the first A320 is in traffic with SAS
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:01 pm

WizzAir will begin a 2x weekly services from Szczecin to both SVG and TRF from March 15 2013

Szczecin – Stavanger eff 15MAR13 2 weekly
W62155 SZZ1030 – 1210SVG 320 26
W62156 SVG0825 – 1000SZZ 320 26

Szczecin – Oslo Sandefjord eff 16MAR13 2 weekly
W62159 SZZ1000 – 1125TRF 320 15
W62160 TRF0805 – 0930SZZ 320 15



The next 737-800 to SAS has rolled out from Boeing at Renton. LN-RGB (LN4280) will soon have its first flight and be delivered in a couple of weeks.
LN-RGC is AFAIK expected about 5 weeks later


Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
And last week another 737-700 arrived in ARN. SE-REX, a former Virgin Australia aircraft

Expected to be in service today with SK499 ARN-OSL

[Edited 2012-11-27 05:06:31]

[Edited 2012-11-27 05:45:40]
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:09 pm

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 1):
The next 737-800 to SAS has rolled out from Boeing at Renton. LN-RGB (LN4280) will soon have its first flight and be delivered in a couple of weeks.

Anybody know the delivery schedule of SK's A320's?
Future flights: CPH-BOS; CPH-SVG; CPH-PVG-HKG-MNL-DVO; CPH-CDG; CPH-NRT; CPH-MIA; CPH-PVG
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:35 pm

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 2):
Anybody know the delivery schedule of SK's A320's?

Not sure, but the first will arrive in a few weeks, with the first flight being on 22/12. Currently in ZRH.
Next one should follow within a few weeks, and is in OSR at the moment. Both ex-Indigo aircrafts.

Then is there a few questions regarding the two former Spanair aircrafts. I've seen at least one of them painted, but have no idea how much more work are needed before they're ready.
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:49 pm

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 3):
Not sure, but the first will arrive in a few weeks, with the first flight being on 22/12. Currently in ZRH.
Next one should follow within a few weeks, and is in OSR at the moment. Both ex-Indigo aircrafts.

Then is there a few questions regarding the two former Spanair aircrafts. I've seen at least one of them painted, but have no idea how much more work are needed before they're ready.

Are they getting the new SAS seats or will they be fitted with the seats fitted on other SK Airbus narrowbodies?
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:06 pm

Air Canada will upgrade CPH to Airbus A333 from the start of August 2013 - nice to see that this route performs well.

More info:
http://cphtraveller.dk/nyheder/air-c...ere-kapacitet-til-kobenhavn-i-2013
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:29 am

Quoting SAS767 (Reply 5):
Air Canada will upgrade CPH to Airbus A333 from the start of August 2013 - nice to see that this route performs well.

As it's only for a few weeks it's probably more due to availability of aircraft rather than high demand. August might be a busy month, but September is usually a bit slow.
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:51 pm

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 6):
As it's only for a few weeks it's probably more due to availability of aircraft rather than high demand. August might be a busy month, but September is usually a bit slow.

Not from what I hear and it is btw for 9 weeks - they need the additional capacity and both August and September are quite busy for Air Canada at CPH. They could for sure also have used the A333 in June and July, but this was not possible for S13...
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:15 pm

New Vueling route to CPH from June 2013 - Alicante 3x week. More on the way...

http://cphtraveller.dk/nyheder/vueli...redje-rute-til-kobenhavns-lufthavn
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:58 pm

Has SAS finally published its financial results? I remember it was mentioned on here that they were postponing it.
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:56 am

LN-BRV will be the next 737-500 to leave the SAS fleet. It was supposed to have its last flight for SAS on Saturday, but seems like it had to be in service a few more days as they had to use it to perform a few more flights
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:59 am

Quoting SAS767 (Reply 5):
Air Canada will upgrade CPH to Airbus A333 from the start of August 2013 - nice to see that this route performs well.

Very good news and good to see the an AC A333 in CPH

Quoting SAS767 (Reply 8):
New Vueling route to CPH from June 2013 - Alicante 3x week. More on the way...

That is right but they are starting with twice weekly

Vueling from 22JUN13 introduces twice weekly Alicante – Copenhagen service, on board Airbus A320 aircraft. Schedule:

VY1326 ALC0930 – 1250CPH 320 6
VY1326 ALC1540 – 1900CPH 320 2

VY1327 CPH1325 – 1645ALC 320 6
VY1327 CPH1935 – 2255ALC 320 2

Regards

[Edited 2012-12-03 04:00:38]
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:23 pm

Quoting troest (Reply 11):

Quoting SAS767 (Reply 8):
New Vueling route to CPH from June 2013 - Alicante 3x week. More on the way...

That is right but they are starting with twice weekly

Wait and see...
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:14 pm

Quoting SAS767 (Reply 8):
More on the way...

Now a reality - Florence-CPH will be new Vueling route from the end of March 2013. Four weekly flights with A319:
http://cphtraveller.dk/nyheder/vueli...lien-som-fjerde-rute-fra-kobenhavn

It seems like we will see another new Italian route from CPH in the very near future - but not from Vueling...
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:58 pm

Seems like SAS will increase the frequencies on the following routes from CPH during the summer months of 2013 compared to this year (in addition to the new routes)

New frequencies will be:

Alicante - 5x weekly (new from 11/2012)
Athens - 11x weekly
Bucaresti - 6x weekly
Malaga - 5x weekly
Nice - 15x weekly
Palma - 7x weekly
Pristina - 6x weekly
Rome - 12x weekly
Split - 7x weekly
Tel Aviv - 4x weekly
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:54 pm

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 14):
New frequencies will be:

Alicante - 5x weekly (new from 11/2012)
Athens - 11x weekly
Bucaresti - 6x weekly
Malaga - 5x weekly
Nice - 15x weekly
Palma - 7x weekly
Pristina - 6x weekly
Rome - 12x weekly
Split - 7x weekly
Tel Aviv - 4x weekly

Some minor adjustments - Alicante will now only operate with up to four flights a week. Probably due to the Vueling entry on this route. Malaga will on the other hand operate with up to daily flights iso 5x week.
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:51 am

I saw what looked like a B757 standing at the old terminal at OSL this evening (Dec 4th)

Does anyone know who it belongs to? Lady Gaga perhaps?
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:33 am

Apparently ARN is shut.. Bang goes the claim of it being an all-weather airport!

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/verden/1.9533615
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:29 am

As SAS announced last week they will be opening new routes this summer, including BIQ.

I've tried to book CPH-BIQ for summer 2013 but can't find any flights - does anyone know the schedule and when the route will launch?

Edit: found the schedule:

SK 797 CPH-BIQ 07:55-10:40 Mon A321
SK 798 BIQ-CPH 11:25-14:00 Mon A321

SK 797 CPH-BIQ 16:10-18:55 Fri A320
SK 798 BIQ-CPH 19:40-22:15 Fri A320

Doesn't A321 seem *a lot* for CPH-BIQ? Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted - just seems a lot of capacity.

Route starts 28JUN2013.

[Edited 2012-12-05 02:35:16]
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:58 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 17):
Apparently ARN is shut.. Bang goes the claim of it being an all-weather airport!

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/verden/1.9...33615

Think all airports in the world would have closed down with the snow that came down this morning....including OSL  
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:18 am

The snow at ARN is not too bad. About a decimeter today, But it is very very windy and the wind is blowing all this weeks snow across the runways.
Our flight grounded due poor braking actrion.
I was on the ramp at midnight and I had to park my van in front of the aircraft as a wind break as i could not stand up on the snowy ground in the wind.
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:05 pm

A few flights seems to have managed to take off/land at Arlanda.

While a few others are holding.

apparently 1 runway is open.

[Edited 2012-12-05 04:31:29]
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:35 pm

A de-icing truck hit the #1 engine of a BA A320 at ARN this afternoon. Really bad luck after waiting for hours to get going.

I guess we'll get an update on this from Tristarsteve, I hope?  
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:17 pm

Quoting EBGARN (Reply 22):
I guess we'll get an update on this from Tristarsteve, I hope?

It was BA771 STD 0715 that was hit at about 1130.
Now awaiting a new nose cowl, hopefully on BA780 tommorrow.
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:21 pm

Quoting SAS767 (Reply 13):
It seems like we will see another new Italian route from CPH in the very near future - but not from Vueling...

Here we go - Air One will operate Venice-CPH 3x weekly with A320 in the period from the 27th of June to the 8th of September.

More info: http://cphtraveller.dk/nyheder/itali...merute-mellem-venedig-og-kobenhavn
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:05 pm

An article (in Swedish) about Arlanda snow clearing:

http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.369479/sn...om-aldrig-stanger/sida/1/inledning
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:11 am

Looks like Arlanda will receive a very welcoming Christmas gift this year.

Stay tuned for news to be presented soon!
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:34 am

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 26):
Looks like Arlanda will receive a very welcoming Christmas gift this year.

Stay tuned for news to be presented soon!

Guesses: Is EK coming to ARN or MH restarting?
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:28 am

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
And it is not many weeks untill the first A320 is in traffic with SAS

How many will they have and which route will they be used on?

I was booking CPH-DUB for 15JAN and it's on an A320.
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:23 am

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 27):
Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 26):
Looks like Arlanda will receive a very welcoming Christmas gift this year.

Stay tuned for news to be presented soon!

Guesses: Is EK coming to ARN or MH restarting?

Or maybe SQ?
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:32 am

Norwegian is starting two new destinations from Alicante. Umeå (UME) and Karlstad (KSD) will both be operated 1x weekly from spring 2013

Quoting downtown273 (Reply 28):
How many will they have and which route will they be used on?

14 from what I can see. 12 will be leased, mainly (or all?) ex-Indigo, while the two remaining are owned by SAS and was with Spanair.

They will be based in CPH, and can be expected on most/all routes that sees MD-80/319/321 today. In addition I think they will be used on one of the daily GOT-LHR
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:08 pm

hello, does anyone know the reason why BA flight 18 (ICN - LHR) landed in HEL yesterday? Added capacity for AY?
Airlines been on: AY, LX, SR, OS, SK, KF, EZY, FR, BA, LH, AF, TG, DC, FC, TK, KL, BT, CX, QR
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:14 pm

It was planned diversion for a crew change as it was running late
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:25 am

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 27):
Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 27):
Guesses: Is EK coming to ARN or MH restarting?

It's Emirates from the beginning of june. EK 157/158.


Also, Gulf will suepend CPH S13.

[Edited 2012-12-07 00:26:45]
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:31 am

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 33):
It's Emirates from the beginning of june. EK 157/158.

Not confirmed...

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 33):
Also, Gulf will suepend CPH S13.

Not confirmed...
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:50 am

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 33):
It's Emirates from the beginning of june. EK 157/158.

Thought so  

Rumors already started a year ago and pointed to EK starting up in 2012. Didn't happen, so looking forward to a confirmation. Rumor: Emirates To Stockholm In 2012 (by Navigator Nov 8 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Doesn't help SQ in starting up on ARN.

[Edited 2012-12-07 03:46:48]

[Edited 2012-12-07 03:47:11]
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:06 pm

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 35):
Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 33):It's Emirates from the beginning of june. EK 157/158.
Thought so

Rumors already started a year ago and pointed to EK starting up in 2012. Didn't happen, so looking forward to a confirmation.
Rumor: Emirates To Stockholm In 2012 (by Navigator Nov 8 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Doesn't help SQ in starting up on ARN.

There is a bit more to this than what has leaked out so far. They will start 03JUN13 and everything is cleared and confirmed from Emirates in regards to all operational facilities at Arlanda.
Both OSL and ARN where in the final run this fall, but ARN took it home and an opening of OSL is not likely to happen before earliest OCT13. I guess Brussels are in there too. By all commercial means, ARN is the obvious choice as their second destination in Scandinavia.
It hardly comes as a surprise that Stockholm is launched before Oslo and it's actually about time.
I have no doubt that ARN will be a great success for Emirates. Especially with the very limited competition it will face from Stockholm.

Gulf have given away their slots at CPH for the summer season of 2013 and an announcement of their closer are expected soon. I think it in general has more to do with their general lack of performance through their whole network, rather than CPH as a single destination. From what I have heard, it's been performing surprisingly well and the actual reason for why the launch to ARN was postponed and the capacity was used to bring CPH up to daily.
Even if they reversed their suspension, they would not be able to retain their slots, as IATA's application period for S13 where over months ago and new slots are out for the airlines until final closure in the end of January.
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:14 pm

Great news. What equipment will EK use? I guess A332?
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:14 pm

I read at Arlanda facebook site, that they, during Wednesday only, had cleared some
200'000 cubic meters of snow, which is about 80% of the amount for the entire last winter.

Despite that they managed to make 38% of the start and landings happen.
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:05 pm

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 38):
I read at Arlanda facebook site, that they, during Wednesday only, had cleared some
200'000 cubic meters of snow, which is about 80% of the amount for the entire last winter.

That is a lot of snow. No wonder they had some issues with the snow.
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:15 pm

OSL released their November numbers today. 3,7% increase to a total of 1.784.058 pax.
Domestic increased by 2,7% and 4,8% on the international routes.

The Numbers for OSL is actually very interesting as it could be the first time ever that OSL exceeds CPH as the largest airport in Northern Europe in terms of total amount of passengers. If CPH's growth is under 1,2%, November 2012 will be a historic month for OSL. The race is also very close for December, January and February based on the 2011/12 numbers.
However, with the past months release of passenger numbers for CPH, I'll be surprised if it will be bellow 1,2% for November.

[Edited 2012-12-11 06:16:25]
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:10 pm

g2scandinavia, you have not counted the transit passengers (as CPH do). Therefore the number of passengers at OSL was 1,788,373 in November and that equals to a growth of 3.88% from last year. In November OSL passed a mile stone - the 22 million passenger per 12 months mile stone.
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:26 pm

I know, but OSL does not include transit and infants in their numbers.
I therefore think it's best to use what they are presenting even dough the numbers are actually higher.
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:18 am

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 40):
However, with the past months release of passenger numbers for CPH, I'll be surprised if it will be bellow 1,2% for November.

Close call with CPH presenting 2,2% growth for NOV. 1.799.408 pax went through the airport. Only 15.350 pax in favour of CPH for NOV. Thats the second closes month after February 2012 where the difference was only 11.513 pax.

I'm tempted to throw in the 1,1% infants and lack of transit included, but I'll let the title stay down south some month more 
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:23 am

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 40):
The Numbers for OSL is actually very interesting as it could be the first time ever that OSL exceeds CPH as the largest airport in Northern Europe in terms of total amount of passengers. If CPH's growth is under 1,2%, November 2012 will be a historic month for OSL. The race is also very close for December, January and February based on the 2011/12 numbers.
However, with the past months release of passenger numbers for CPH, I'll be surprised if it will be bellow 1,2% for November.

Close but no cigar - CPH up 2,2% in November (new monthly record):

CPH/UK/INVESTOR/Traffic/2012/November.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cph.dk/CPH/UK/INVESTOR/Traffic/2012/November.htm

The growth rate for the international traffic is more or less identical at CPH and OSL. OSL up 4,8% and CPH up 4,4%. However as the internal traffic at CPH is twice the size compared to OSL, the absolute numbers differs: OSL +44.000 int. pax to 869.000 and CPH +69.000 int. pax. to 1.624.000 In other words CPH increases the gap to OSL when we talk about international traffic  
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:05 am

Quoting SAS767 (Reply 44):
Close but no cigar - CPH up 2,2% in November (new monthly record):

CPH/UK/INVESTOR/Traffic/2012/November.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cph.dk/CPH/UK/INVESTOR/Traffic/2012/November.htm

The growth rate for the international traffic is more or less identical at CPH and OSL. OSL up 4,8% and CPH up 4,4%. However as the internal traffic at CPH is twice the size compared to OSL, the absolute numbers differs: OSL +44.000 int. pax to 869.000 and CPH +69.000 int. pax. to 1.624.000 In other words CPH increases the gap to OSL when we talk about international traffic

Well, it depends on from what angle you are looking at the Christmas three......

Local market increased by 15.966 pax from CPH . Year to date the local market have only increased by 202.800pax on international routes. OSL have at the same time han an increase of 260.036 pax locally on international services from an area CPH benchmarks as under half of its own size in terms of potential local market.
Year to-date 9.141.669 of the international pax at OSL where local.
Transfer pax from mostly other Nordic countries are the main reason for CPH's growth in international traffic.

The numbers for OSL year to date is also interesting in terms of HUB structure. OSL have a significant increase of transfer passengers and total transfer now holds 22% of the total traffic. Similar numbers for CPH are 24%.
Next year, Avinor and the Norwegian Custom will launch custom free transfer trough OSL on international to domestic flights. Avinor and OSL expect the amount of transfer pax to increase significantly challenging CPH not only as the largest airport in Northern Europe, but also as the largest Scandinavian hub 
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:53 am

SAS767, you forgot to mention that 26.2% of traffic at CPH are transfers in November and a vast majority of this type of passengers either are heading to or heading from other Nordic countries - not exactly local demand. The differences between CPH and OSL isn't that large for passengers on international flights when you take in to account OSL has two neighbouring airports, RYG and TRF, that have over 2.6 million additional international passengers (11 first months this year) to the 11 million OSL have. The same can be said about Arlanda; if you take in to account the international passengers at Skavsta and Bromma.

The uniqueness of CPH is:
- Star Alliance hub thanks to the SAS Group with feeds from Finland, Sweden and Norway.
- No a real national hub since there is only very low domestic passenger numbers (Jutlanders try to avoid CPH).
- Thanks to the Oresund Bridge many Scanians have CPH as their home airport even though they have MMX in their midst.
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:05 pm

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 45):
Next year, Avinor and the Norwegian Custom will launch custom free transfer trough OSL on international to domestic flights.

Could you direct me to an article or anything about this? When is this being implemented?

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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:35 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 47):
Could you direct me to an article or anything about this? When is this being implemented?-CXfirst

Unfortunately, I can not provide all details on an open forum but it's been debated and also presented in the TV News.
I would be surprised if there are no articles about it out there. Look up Dagsrevyen at NRK 21NOV12.

What I can say is that they are starting with a "test" before they conclude on a permanent solution. It is this test that will start next year. NHO Luftfart Avinor and other institutions have putted much effort info this and the Norwegian Customs aren't to happy about it.
It's also a bad kept secret that the whole Pier North (T2) have a planned baggage handling system that has been constructed for custom clearance on end destination.

OSL have calculated on a potential of at least 2 million new international pax pr year if they get a solution on the custom international-domestic issue. Mainly pax to/from NO.
 
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RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 4

Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:25 pm

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 45):
Local market increased by 15.966 pax from CPH . Year to date the local market have only increased by 202.800pax on international routes. OSL have at the same time han an increase of 260.036 pax locally on international services from an area CPH benchmarks as under half of its own size in terms of potential local market.
Year to-date 9.141.669 of the international pax at OSL where local.
Transfer pax from mostly other Nordic countries are the main reason for CPH's growth in international traffic.

Is it on purpose you try to provide incorrect numbers? The increase of int. local pax from CPH was in November 39.000 pax (source: cph.dk) and not 16.000 pax as you state. The same number for OSL in November was 2.000 pax (source: avinor.no)

Total increase of int. local pax from CPH YTD is 492.000 pax (source: cph.dk) and not 202.800 pax as you state. The same number for OSL YTD is 270.000 (Source: avionor.no)

Total local int. pax at CPH YTD is 15.100.000 compared to 9.142.000 at OSL.

I am pretty sure that we now can agree that the growth of int. local pax at CPH in absolute numbers exceeds the growth at OSL in the same segment!

Based on the fact that CPH this year has been hit by a number of bankruptcies - Cimber Sterling (limited presence at OSL), Spanair (not online at OSL) and Malev (not online at OSL) it is quite impressive to keep up the growth rates in the international traffic.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 45):
Avinor and OSL expect the amount of transfer pax to increase significantly challenging CPH not only as the largest airport in Northern Europe, but also as the largest Scandinavian hub

As long as you believe this yourself then fine...

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