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OAG Changes 11/30/2012: B6/WN/DL Big MEM Cut

Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:57 pm

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

AC MDT-YYZ JAN 1.8>1.6
AC MIA-YUL JAN 1.0>0.8
AC PBI-YYZ JAN 2>1.7
AC PHX-YYZ JAN 2>1.9
AC PVD-YYZ JAN 1.6>1.5
AC PWM-YYZ JAN 1.7>1.6
AC RIC-YYZ JAN 1.7>1.6
AC ROC-YYZ JAN 1.7>1.6
AC SYR-YYZ JAN 1.7>1.6

AF DTW-CDG JAN 0.8>0.7

AM LAX-LTO JAN 0.2>0
AM LRD-MTY JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
AM MIA-MEX JAN 5>4
AM SMF-GDL JAN 0.7>0.9

B6 BOS-BUF MAY 4>5
B6 BOS-BWI MAY 5>6
B6 BOS-EWR MAY 5>6
B6 BOS-JAX MAY 1.0>2
Interesting
*B6 BOS-LAS MAR 1.8>3 APR 1.9>3 MAY 2>3
B6 BOS-NAS MAR 1.0>1.2 APR 1.0>1.2
B6 BOS-PDX MAR 0.4>0.2 APR 1.0>0.6
*B6 BOS-PIT MAY 3>4
B6 BOS-PUJ MAR 0.5>0.6
B6 BOS-RIC MAY 2>3
B6 BOS-SAN MAY 1.0>1.9
B6 BOS-SJC APR 1.0>0.5
B6 BOS-SJU MAR 3>4
B6 HPN-NAS APR 0.9>0.8
B6 JFK-AUS MAR 2>3
B6 JFK-BGI MAR 1.0>0.7
B6 JFK-BTV APR 4>3
B6 JFK-LIR APR 1.0>0.8
B6 JFK-PBI MAR 8>7 APR 8>7
B6 JFK-PLS FEB 1.2>1.4 MAR 1.1>1.2
B6 JFK-PUJ FEB 1.4>1.9 MAR 1.4>1.6 APR 1.1>1.5
B6 MCO-SJU FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6 APR 7>6
B6 SJU-SDQ FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3

*DL ATL-LHR APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
DL GUM-NRT JUL 3>4
DL ISN-MSP MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2.0>3
DL JFK-IAD JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
*DL JFK-KEF MAY 0.3>0 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.9
DL JFK-RSW APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
DL LGA-BGR MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
Wow, here comes the axe we expected...About 21 more...
*DL MEM-BHM JAN 3>0.1 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0
*DL MEM-BNA JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-FLL APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0.7
*DL MEM-JAN JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.5 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-JAX JAN 1.6>0.1 FEB 1.6>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0
*DL MEM-LAX FEB 2.0>1.4 MAR 3>1.3 APR 3>1.4 MAY 3>1.4 JUN 3>1.6 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-LIT JAN 1.6>0.9 FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.7>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-MCI JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-MCO MAY 3>1.8
*DL MEM-RDU JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-SAT MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-SEA JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0
*DL MEM-SFO JUL 0.8>0
*DL MEM-STL JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-TUL JAN 1.6>0.8 FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.7>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-TYS JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
DL MSP-YVR JAN 2.0>1.8 FEB 1.9>1.8
DL ROR-NRT APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
DL SLC-BOS MAR 1.0>1.9
DL SLC-YVR APR 1.6>1.8 MAY 1.5>1.8
DL SLC-YYC JAN 1.8>1.7

K5 EAT-YKM DEC 1.5>0.7 JAN 1.6>0 FEB 1.6>0 MAR 1.5>0 APR 1.6>0 MAY 1.6>0 JUN 1.5>0 JUL 1.6>0
K5 PDX-YKM DEC 1.5>0.7 JAN 1.6>0 FEB 1.6>0 MAR 1.5>0 APR 1.6>0 MAY 1.6>0 JUN 1.5>0 JUL 1.6>0

LA MHC-PMC MAR 0.1>0.6

LW BRL-ORD DEC 0>2
LW BRL-STL DEC 0>1.7
LW DEC-ORD DEC 0>3
LW DEC-STL DEC 0>3
LW JBR-STL DEC 0>3

LY JFK-TLV APR 2.0>1.8


*NK ATL-DFW FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>1.8
NK DFW-LAS FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3 APR 2>3
*NK DFW-PDX JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0.2
*NK DFW-TLC JAN 1.0>0.3 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0.2

SY DFW-CUN MAR 0.3>0.4

UA CLE-BTV MAY 1.5>1.0
UA CLE-MCO JUL 3>2
*UA CLE-PWM MAY 0>0.7 JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0
UA DEN-ABQ MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
UA DEN-ASE MAY 7>5
UA DEN-BOS MAY 4>3
UA DEN-MAF MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
UA DEN-MEM MAY 1.9>1.0
UA DEN-PSP MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
UA DEN-PVR MAY 0.4>0.3
UA DEN-SJD MAY 0.3>0.4
UA EWR-ANU MAY 0.4>0.3
*UA EWR-BZE MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1
UA EWR-PUJ MAY 1.0>1.3
UA EWR-PVR MAY 0.1>0.3
UA EWR-SJD MAY 0.3>0.4
UA EWR-SXM MAY 1.0>0.8
UA IAD-BGM MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
UA IAD-CUN MAY 0.5>0.7
UA IAH-GCM MAY 0.7>1.0
UA IAH-RTB MAY 0.5>0.7
UA IAH-SJD MAY 1.8>1.7
UA ORD-ANC MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0.8>1.0
UA ORD-SJD MAY 0.1>0.3
UA SFO-HNL MAR 4>5 APR 4>5

US CLT-YUL FEB 1.7>1.3 MAR 1.8>1.0 APR 1.9>1.6
US PHX-HNL APR 1.6>1.7
US PHX-KOA APR 0.9>0.7
US PHX-KOA APR 0.9>0.7

WN/FL combined 2013 vs. 2012
WN ABQ-ELP MAY 1.8>0 JUN 1.8>0 JUL 1.9>0
WN ABQ-STL MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
WN ABQ-TUS MAY 2.0>1.0 JUN 2>0.0 JUL 2>0
WN ALB-MCO JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2>1.1
Looks like ATL is down around 20 RTs YOY
WN ATL-AUA MAY 1.0>0.6 JUN 0.3>0.6 JUL 0.4>0.6
WN ATL-BKG MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0
WN ATL-BWI MAY 10>9 JUN 11>10 JUL 11>10
WN ATL-CLT MAY 3>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0
WN ATL-CUN JUL 3>2
WN ATL-DEN JUN 5>4 JUL 6>4
WN ATL-FNT MAY 3>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0
WN ATL-HOU JUN 9>8 JUL 10>8
WN ATL-LAS MAY 5>4
WN ATL-LAX JUL 5>4
Wow, Delta must be happy. The "hub" is disintegrating.
*WN ATL-LGA MAY 9>8 JUN 9>6 JUL 9>6
WN ATL-MCO MAY 11>10
WN ATL-MDW JUN 11>10 JUL 12>10
WN ATL-MEM MAY 4>5
WN ATL-MSY JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN ATL-ORF MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3
WN ATL-PHL MAY 5>4
WN ATL-PHX MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>1.9
WN ATL-RDU MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
WN ATL-ROC MAY 2>0 JUN 2.0>0 JUL 2>0
WN ATL-SDF MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3
WN ATL-SEA MAY 1.0>0 JUN 3>1.0 JUL 2>1.0
WN ATL-SFO MAY 3>2
WN ATL-SJU MAY 3>1.3
WN AUS-CUN MAY 0.1>0.4
WN AUS-DAL JUN 12>11 JUL 12>11
WN AUS-DCA MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN AUS-ELP JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
WN AUS-EWR MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN AUS-LBB JUN 1.7>1.0 JUL 1.7>1.0
WN AUS-MDW JUL 2>3
WN BDL-RSW MAY 0>0.9
WN BHM-BNA MAY 1.9>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0
WN BHM-JAX JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
WN BHM-MSY JUN 1.8>0.0 JUL 1.9>0
WN BHM-PHX MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
WN BKG-DAL MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN BKG-HOU JUN 1.0>2.0 JUL 1.0>2
WN BNA-BOS MAY 0>1.8 JUN 0>1.8 JUL 0>1.9
WN BNA-BWI MAY 7>6
WN BNA-EWR MAY 0>2 JUN 0>1.9 JUL 0>1.9
WN BNA-FLL MAY 2>3
WN BNA-LGA MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
WN BNA-MSY MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
WN BNA-SAN MAY 1.9>1.0
WN BOI-PDX MAY 1.9>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2.0>0
WN BOS-MCI MAY 0>1.9 JUN 0>1.8 JUL 0>1.9
WN BOS-MCO JUN 0.1>1.8 JUL 0>1.9
WN BOS-MKE JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
WN BOS-RSW MAY 1.0>0
WN BUF-BWI MAY 7>6
WN BUR-DEN MAY 1.9>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0
WN BWI-AUA MAY 0.3>0.7 JUN 0.3>0.7 JUL 0.3>0.7
WN BWI-BDA MAY 1.0>0.3
WN BWI-CLT MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
WN BWI-CUN MAY 1.3>2 JUN 1.2>2 JUL 1.1>2
WN BWI-ECP MAY 2>1.1
WN BWI-EWR MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0
WN BWI-FLL MAY 8>11 JUN 8>11 JUL 7>11
WN BWI-FNT MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3
WN BWI-GRR JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
WN BWI-ISP JUL 6>5
WN BWI-LAX JUN 3>2.0 JUL 3>1.9
WN BWI-LGA MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0
WN BWI-MBJ MAY 1.0>1.6 JUN 1.3>2 JUL 1.3>2
WN BWI-MCO JUN 13>11 JUL 13>11
WN BWI-PUJ MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN BWI-PVD MAY 9>8
WN BWI-ROC MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
WN BWI-SEA JUN 3>1.8 JUL 3>1.8
WN BWI-SJU JUN 2>4 JUL 2>4
WN BWI-TPA JUN 9>7 JUL 9>7
WN CAK-DEN MAY 0>1.0
WN CAK-MDW MAY 0>1.9 JUN 0>1.8 JUL 0>1.9
WN CLT-HOU MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN CLT-MDW MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
WN CMH-MCO MAY 4>3
WN CMH-TPA JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
WN DAL-HRL MAY 0>1.9 JUN 0>2.0 JUL 0>2
WN DAL-ICT JUN 0>1.9 JUL 0>2
WN DAL-MAF MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
WN DAL-MSY MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
WN DAL-OKC JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN DAL-SAT JUN 13>12 JUL 13>12
WN DAY-DEN MAY 0>1.0
WN DAY-TPA MAY 0.1>1.0 JUN 0.2>1.1 JUL 0.1>1.1
WN DCA-STL MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
WN DEN-CUN JUL 0.7>1.0
WN DEN-EWR MAY 3>1.9 JUN 3>2.0 JUL 3>2
WN DEN-FLL JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2.0>1.1
WN DEN-LGA MAY 0>2
 
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RE: OAG Changes 11/30/2012: B6/WN/DL Big MEM Cut

Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:58 pm

WN DEN-MKE MAY 3>1.8 JUN 3>2.0 JUL 3>2
WN DEN-RDU JUN 1.0>2.0 JUL 1.0>2.0
WN DEN-SDF MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN DEN-SMF JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
WN DSM-MDW MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
WN DTW-LAS MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN ECP-HOU MAY 2>3
WN ECP-MCO MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0
WN ECP-STL MAY 0>1.0
WN ELP-PHX JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
WN EWR-HOU MAY 1.9>3 JUL 1.9>3
WN EWR-MSY MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN EWR-PHX MAY 2.0>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0
WN EYW-MSY MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN FLL-ISP JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2>1.1
WN FLL-MCO MAY 5>0 JUN 5>0 JUL 4>0
WN FLL-MSY MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
WN FLL-SJU MAY 0.5>2.0
WN FLL-TPA MAY 7>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
WN FNT-TPA MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0.1>1.0 JUL 0.1>1.0
WN GEG-PDX MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2.0>0
WN HOU-HRL MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN HOU-IND MAY 0>1.9 JUN 0>1.8 JUL 0>1.9
WN HOU-JAN JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
WN HOU-JAX JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.8
WN HOU-LGA JUN 0>1.9 JUL 0>2
WN HOU-MAF MAY 1.7>3 JUL 1.8>3
WN HOU-MCI MAY 1.0>1.7 JUL 1.0>1.7
WN HOU-MDW MAY 6>7
WN HOU-PHL MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.8>0 JUL 1.9>0
WN HOU-PIT MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN HOU-RDU MAY 1.0>1.7 JUL 1.0>1.7
WN HOU-SNA MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN HRL-SAT MAY 1.7>0.9 JUN 1.7>1.0 JUL 1.7>1.0
WN IAD-MDW MAY 6>5
WN ICT-LAS JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN ICT-MDW JUN 0>1.9 JUL 0>2
WN IND-MCO JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
WN IND-MDW MAY 4>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0
WN IND-RSW MAY 0.3>2
WN IND-TPA MAY 4>3 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN ISP-PBI MAY 3>2
WN JAX-ORF JUN 1.8>1.0 JUL 1.8>1.0
WN LAS-MAF MAY 1.0>1.7 JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.8
WN LAS-MDW MAY 10>9 JUN 10>9 JUL 10>9
WN LAS-MHT MAY 1.0>0
WN LAS-MKE MAY 5>3 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN LAS-PHX JUN 13>12 JUL 13>12
WN LAS-PVD MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
WN LAS-SEA MAY 5>4
WN LAS-SLC MAY 7>6 JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6
WN LAS-SNA MAY 7>8
WN LAS-TUS JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN LAX-MCI MAY 1.9>3
WN LAX-MKE MAY 1.9>1.0
WN LAX-PHX JUN 10>9 JUL 10>9
WN LAX-TUS MAY 5>4 JUN 5>3 JUL 5>3
WN LGA-MDW MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
WN LGA-MKE MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN LGA-STL MAY 0>2.0 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
WN LIT-STL MAY 1.7>1.0 JUN 1.8>0.0 JUL 1.9>0
WN MCI-MSP MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2.0
WN MCI-MSY MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN MCO-MBJ MAY 1.0>0.7
WN MCO-MDW JUN 10>11
WN MCO-MKE JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN MCO-PHL MAY 7>6
WN MCO-ROC MAY 1.0>1.9 JUN 1.0>2.0 JUL 1.0>2
WN MCO-RSW MAY 4>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0
WN MCO-SAT MAY 2.0>1.0
WN MCO-SJU MAY 4>3 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN MCO-STL JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
WN MDW-CUN MAY 0>2 JUN 0.9>1.0
WN MDW-MHT JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
WN MDW-MSY JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
WN MDW-OKC MAY 0>1.9 JUN 0.9>1.7 JUL 1.0>1.7
WN MDW-PVD JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
WN MDW-ROC MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
WN MDW-SFO MAY 3>2
WN MDW-TUL JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN MHT-TPA JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2>1.1
WN MKE-MSP MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
WN MKE-MSY JUN 0.1>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN MKE-PHX MAY 4>3 JUN 4>2 JUL 3>2.0
WN MKE-RSW MAY 1.2>2
WN MKE-SEA JUN 1.8>1.0 JUL 1.9>1.0
WN MKE-SFO MAY 2>1.0
WN MSY-STL MAY 1.0>1.7 JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.9
WN MSY-TPA JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
WN OAK-ONT MAY 8>7
WN OAK-RNO MAY 3>1.9 JUN 3>0.1 JUL 3>0
WN OAK-SEA MAY 7>6
WN OAK-SNA MAY 7>8
WN OMA-PHX JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2>1.1
WN ORF-TPA MAY 1.0>0.1 JUN 1.0>0.0 JUL 1.0>0
WN PBI-TPA MAY 4>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 3>0
WN PDX-RNO MAY 3>2.0 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2.0
WN PDX-SLC MAY 3>2.0 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
WN PHL-PHX JUN 1.9>1.1 JUL 2.0>1.1
WN PHL-RDU MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0
WN PHL-TPA JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
WN PHX-SMF MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
WN PHX-SNA MAY 8>7
WN PHX-TUL MAY 2.0>1.0
WN PIT-TPA MAY 2.0>3 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
WN RDU-STL JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.8
WN RNO-SLC MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
WN RSW-STL MAY 1.0>1.8
WN SAN-SMF JUN 10>9 JUL 10>9
WN SAN-STL MAY 0>1.0
WN SAT-CUN MAY 0.2>0.4
WN SAT-MEX MAY 0.3>1.0
WN SAT-STL MAY 0>1.8 JUN 0>1.8 JUL 0>1.8
WN SEA-SLC MAY 3>2
WN SFO-SNA MAY 6>7
WN SJC-SNA MAY 8>9 JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
WN SJU-TPA MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0
WN SMF-SNA MAY 6>7
WN SNA-MEX MAY 0>1.0
WN SNA-SJD MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0.9>2.0 JUL 1.0>2
WN TPA-SJU MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0
 
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RE: OAG Changes 11/30/2012: B6/WN/DL Big MEM Cut

Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:59 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Wow, here comes the axe we expected...About 21 more...
*DL MEM-BHM JAN 3>0.1 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0
*DL MEM-BNA JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-FLL APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0.7
*DL MEM-JAN JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.5 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-JAX JAN 1.6>0.1 FEB 1.6>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0
*DL MEM-LAX FEB 2.0>1.4 MAR 3>1.3 APR 3>1.4 MAY 3>1.4 JUN 3>1.6 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-LIT JAN 1.6>0.9 FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.7>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-MCI JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-MCO MAY 3>1.8
*DL MEM-RDU JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-SAT MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-SEA JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0
*DL MEM-SFO JUL 0.8>0
*DL MEM-STL JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-TUL JAN 1.6>0.8 FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.7>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-TYS JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7

I think the only reason they don't go down to 20RTs right now is the exit stream of CRJs. I think this takes them from 80 to 60 rts, but I'm not sure that is exactly accurate.
 
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*NK DFW-TLC JAN 1.0>0.3 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0.2

That had to be dreadful. Like a daily flight in the middle of the night to ISP 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:07 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-RSW APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

So was this route only meant to be seasonal? Doesn't even start for a few more weeks.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:11 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
I think the only reason they don't go down to 20RTs right now is the exit stream of CRJs. I think this takes them from 80 to 60 rts, but I'm not sure that is exactly accurate.

According to the other threads, this latest cut leaves MEM at just over 90 daily departures (down from 110+).

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LW BRL-ORD DEC 0>2
LW BRL-STL DEC 0>1.7
LW DEC-ORD DEC 0>3
LW DEC-STL DEC 0>3
LW JBR-STL DEC 0>3

Anyone have any info about this? I've been doing some searching and can't seem to find any news about one of the Pacific Wings carriers taking over these routes from Air Choice One (which operates them under the 3E/Weber code).
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:22 pm

Quoting steex (Reply 5):

The only thing I could find was this:

http://m.herald-review.com/news/loca...2-02e5-11e2-a365-0019bb2963f4.html

"CEO Shane Storz said the airline has found a way to establish electronic ticketing and baggage transitions with major airlines, enabling a more seamless experience for passengers connecting to a larger carrier in Chicago or St. Louis. He made the announcement at the Decatur Park District Board of Commissioners’ regular meeting Wednesday.

Such agreements are difficult for small airlines to establish with large carriers, Storz said, and he has experienced challenges trying to do so over the past few years. He said he was essentially leasing the access through an agreement with Hawaii-based Pacific Wings Holdings."

So maybe Air Choice One flights are simply operating under Pacific Wings Holdings' code?
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:24 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
That had to be dreadful. Like a daily flight in the middle of the night to ISP 
Quoting krsw757 (Reply 4):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-RSW APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

So was this route only meant to be seasonal? Doesn't even start for a few more weeks.
Quoting steex (Reply 5):
According to the other threads, this latest cut leaves MEM at just over 90 daily departures (down from 110+).

I only see 82rts in December before this cut even happens. I think part of the difference is that DL is basically flying everything 5/week or less. My numbers of monthly average. The "daily flights" they are referring to is probably the number of departures on MON and FRI.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:26 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SLC-BOS MAR 1.0>1.9

Spring Break seems like theyshould have no problem filling the seats

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SLC-YVR APR 1.6>1.8 MAY 1.5>1.8
DL SLC-YYC JAN 1.8>1.7

DL loves to tweek these routes so often its rediculous
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:27 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-KEF MAY 0.3>0 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.9

This route always does horrible. Does Icelandair have service to JFK?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-LAX FEB 2.0>1.4 MAR 3>1.3 APR 3>1.4 MAY 3>1.4 JUN 3>1.6 JUL 3>1.7
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-SEA JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0
*DL MEM-SFO JUL 0.8>0

Jeeez.....two Asian gateways slashed and one down to the bare minimum. I wonder if AS will come into MEM at all...
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:31 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN ATL-SEA MAY 1.0>0 JUN 3>1.0 JUL 2>1.0

What's with WN cutting ATL-SEA completely for only 1 month? It seems that WN is cutting SEA flights across the board some in May - ATL, BWI, OAK, SLC, MKE, LAS
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:37 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-KEF MAY 0.3>0 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.9

This route always does horrible. Does Icelandair have service to JFK?

Double daily in the Summer and single in Winter. DL probably thought they'd push FI out easily and eliminate a pricing problem. Not working out so far.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-LAX FEB 2.0>1.4 MAR 3>1.3 APR 3>1.4 MAY 3>1.4 JUN 3>1.6 JUL 3>1.7
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-SEA JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0
*DL MEM-SFO JUL 0.8>0

Jeeez.....two Asian gateways slashed and one down to the bare minimum. I wonder if AS will come into MEM at all...

AS in MEM? That's not planned is it? I'd be shocked.

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN ATL-SEA MAY 1.0>0 JUN 3>1.0 JUL 2>1.0

What's with WN cutting ATL-SEA completely for only 1 month? It seems that WN is cutting SEA flights across the board some in May - ATL, BWI, OAK, SLC, MKE, LAS

WN is just cutting ATL right and left.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:48 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA MHC-PMC MAR 0.1>0.6

I do not know why this route continues to pop up in this thread. MHC-PMC is a domestic route in Chile.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:53 pm

NK isn't doing so well in DFW
I predict that ATL will rue the day WN bought FL.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:56 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
AS in MEM? That's not planned is it? I'd be shocked.

MEM wouldn't be first on my list of cities that I expect AS to expand to next. However, MCI and SAT weren't either, so stranger things have happened.

Any AS people know if MEM is anywhere in AS's sights?
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:58 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 13):
I predict that ATL will rue the day WN bought FL.

I know the folks at the DL Headquarters couldn't be more happier about the FL acquisition. More airplanes and a slash of competition at your fortress. What a deal.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:14 pm

WN LAS-MHT is coming back, not leaving. It's seasonal, though.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:22 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 16):
WN LAS-MHT is coming back, not leaving. It's seasonal, though.

I believe it comes back June 1st, which is why it shows up as 0 for the month of May.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:47 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 13):

"NK isn't doing so well in DFW"

How do you figure that NK isn't doing well DFW? TLC and PDX go down to seasonal, not operating starting in Jaunary '13 but returning in april of '13. LAS and ATL each get an additional daily frequency (LAS in Jan, ATL in FEB). That looks like no loss of frequency FEB-APR and net addition of 2 flights when TLC and PDX return in April. An overall addition of flights seem to indicate that they are doing pretty good.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:53 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 JFK-BGI MAR 1.0>0.7
B6 JFK-LIR APR 1.0>0.8

B6 not the only one struggling in LIR lately....CM is too. There was a rush of capacity into LIR (including existing carriers increasing frequencies) and the market just cannot absorb it. Yields are being trashed. I predict you will see lots of cuts at LIR until demand catches up.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA EWR-BZE MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1

Finally, someone wakes up and sees that there is some decent VFR on NYC-BZE (esp during the summer) . DL has been mining it (via ATL). B6 has been ignoring it. UA is going to give it a shot. I predict that it will do well if UA can convince the hoards of Belizeans living in Queens. Brooklyn and Long Island that they should take the train over to EWR.

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 15):
I know the folks at the DL Headquarters couldn't be more happier about the FL acquisition. More airplanes and a slash of competition at your fortress. What a deal.
Maybe there was a handshake and a wink?
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:56 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 12):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA MHC-PMC MAR 0.1>0.6

I do not know why this route continues to pop up in this thread. MHC-PMC is a domestic route in Chile.

One of the cities must be marked as a U.S. city. Nothing I can do about it as it's not something I can alter.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 13):

NK isn't doing so well in DFW

I wouldn't say that. Compared to all the stuff they've added and cut, DFW has moved backward pretty infrequently. They also backfilled the two cut departures with two other flights. I think they are committed to DFW. Given the company's overall results and their shrinking in FLL, it would imply DFW is doing pretty well.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 13):
I predict that ATL will rue the day WN bought FL.

Easy prediction. I'm sure they do already.

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 15):
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 13):
I predict that ATL will rue the day WN bought FL.

I know the folks at the DL Headquarters couldn't be more happier about the FL acquisition. More airplanes and a slash of competition at your fortress. What a deal.

I'll keep saying this. The end results will be the same as if DL had bought FL and been forced to shed some gates in ATL to WN by DOJ. That's how much of a win this was for DL. WN just gifted them hundreds of millions of dollars and a whole fleet of airplanes. WN doesn't look too smart in all of that.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:02 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Wow, Delta must be happy. The "hub" is disintegrating.

DL planning are probably doing cart wheels and back flips, summersaults..etc. Personally, I think they should do a champagne toast at every WN schedule release until the hub is officially gone.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 13):
NK isn't doing so well in DFW

Are you basing that statement on all of the rapid growth there?

Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
I'll keep saying this. The end results will be the same as if DL had bought FL and been forced to shed some gates in ATL to WN by DOJ. That's how much of a win this was for DL. WN just gifted them hundreds of millions of dollars and a whole fleet of airplanes. WN doesn't look too smart in all of that.

  
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:10 pm

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 15):
I know the folks at the DL Headquarters couldn't be more happier about the FL acquisition. More airplanes and a slash of competition at your fortress. What a deal.
Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
WN is just cutting ATL right and left.
Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
That's how much of a win this was for DL. WN just gifted them hundreds of millions of dollars and a whole fleet of airplanes. WN doesn't look too smart in all of that.

I think you all need to slow down and wait. WN is doing something very difficult and it takes time. We are seeing many cuts in ATL right now but none of you know what the future for WN in ATL will bring. When all of this is done WN could be just as large as FL was in ATL if not larger just serving it differently. Many of you are calling this merger a failure, its not done, you are way to early to call it a failure.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:26 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-BOS MAY 4>3

This route consistently seems to go back and forth between 3 and 4 flights a day. I took this route last year when flying BOS-LAS and during May of 2012 it was at 4x day, now May 2013 it's down to 3. Does UA struggle on the route?
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:26 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 22):
When all of this is done WN could be just as large as FL was in ATL if not larger just serving it differently.

Doubtful--FL was bigger in ATL in terms of departures than just about any WN hub, with the exception of LAS where it clearly dominates. FL was able to do that on a cost advantage, which it will no longer have once it is WN.

Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
Given the company's overall results and their shrinking in FLL, it would imply DFW is doing pretty well.

  
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:34 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):DL SLC-YVR APR 1.6>1.8 MAY 1.5>1.8
DL SLC-YYC JAN 1.8>1.7
DL loves to tweek these routes so often its rediculous

Those are such minor changes in the grand scheme of everything. DL tweaks their capacity and tailors their schedule down the to the day of the week. All this means is they may be flying one flight daily and the second flight 5x per week.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
Jeeez.....two Asian gateways slashed and one down to the bare minimum. I wonder if AS will come into MEM at all...

MEM still has very easily to access to Asia over DTW, MSP, and ATL.
MEM likely doesn't even break the top 40 markets for traffic to Asia in the first place.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 14):
MEM wouldn't be first on my list of cities that I expect AS to expand to next. However, MCI and SAT weren't either, so stranger things have happened.

Any AS people know if MEM is anywhere in AS's sights?

I would find it extremely unlikely for AS to even be considering MEM. MEM is not a big market at all. You would be more likely to see AS in a market like RIC or JAX instead of MEM. If MEM did not have a legacy hub from days gone by, it would barely ever get a mention on A.net except for all the Fed-Ex planes.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ISN-MSP MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2.0>3

The new route to the DL network must be doing well with the oil-related traffic to get a 3rd flight for next spring.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:36 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
AS in MEM? That's not planned is it? I'd be shocked.
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 14):
MEM wouldn't be first on my list of cities that I expect AS to expand to next. However, MCI and SAT weren't either, so stranger things have happened.

Agreed, I don't see it either, but it seems like SEA would be a lucritive market for MEM. I mean, besides LAX, how are these people going to get to Asia or the west coast?
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:41 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 26):
Agreed, I don't see it either, but it seems like SEA would be a lucritive market for MEM. I mean, besides LAX, how are these people going to get to Asia or the west coast?

West coast via SLC, Asia via MSP, DTW or maybe ATL or JFK. The same way that people in most spoke markets get to those get to those destinations. The GC distance for MEM-MSP-NRT is only 11 miles more than MEM-SEA-NRT.

[Edited 2012-11-26 12:45:49]
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:47 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA CLE-PWM MAY 0>0.7 JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0

This has been seasonal service for a number of years. The *surprise would be if UA didn't do it.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:55 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 26):
Agreed, I don't see it either, but it seems like SEA would be a lucritive market for MEM. I mean, besides LAX, how are these people going to get to Asia or the west coast?
Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 27):
West coast via SLC, Asia via MSP, DTW or maybe ATL or JFK. The same way that people in most spoke markets get to those get to those destinations. The GC distance for MEM-MSP-NRT is only 11 miles more than MEM-SEA-NRT.

Exactly.

MEM is no different and in fact has less O&D service than many much larger airports that do not have service to Asia or more than a few flights to LAX (if any).

Cities like BDL, ORF, BUF, PVD, and even places like MCI, CMH, JAX, SAT, etc.

Connections over hubs, as most cities have good one-connection service to every major west-coast destination and Asian market.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:59 pm

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 23):
This route consistently seems to go back and forth between 3 and 4 flights a day. I took this route last year when flying BOS-LAS and during May of 2012 it was at 4x day, now May 2013 it's down to 3. Does UA struggle on the route?

Nah it's all part of the merger. There isn't as much connecting traffic needed to go into DEN when it seems like UA likes to filter BOS pax via EWR. I've seen BOS-DEN go as low as 2x daily this past fall. The frequency cuts at BOS have been to DEN and ORD. BOS to EWR, IAH, CLE, SFO, IAD seem unaffected.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:03 pm

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 21):
DL planning are probably doing cart wheels and back flips, summersaults..etc. Personally, I think they should do a champagne toast at every WN schedule release until the hub is officially gone.

No doubt. They should cater the Thursday night party on WN's HQ party deck in perpetuity.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 22):
We are seeing many cuts in ATL right now but none of you know what the future for WN in ATL will bring.
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 22):
When all of this is done WN could be just as large as FL was in ATL if not larger just serving it differently.

Well, I think most of the planners at WN will tell you that ATL will be smaller when the smoke clears after you get a beer or two in them. There is no plan for expansion there. It's more a question that what can survive without a hub. Cutting the frequency on ATL-LGA is huge in my mind because it says that not even the major markets are untouchable.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 22):
Many of you are calling this merger a failure, its not done, you are way to early to call it a failure.

I never said a failure. I said it is a lot better for DL than WN. That's pretty inescapable. WN's goal was primarily to eliminate a loose cannon competitor with lower costs than they had. They accomplished that, but that's exactly why I have said this was the worst merger for the consumer.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 24):
Doubtful--FL was bigger in ATL in terms of departures than just about any WN hub, with the exception of LAS where it clearly dominates. FL was able to do that on a cost advantage, which it will no longer have once it is WN.

I expect WN will have 80 flights when it is all said and done. To do more than that they will need to essentially bank the flights to create connections. They may be forced into that. They do it to some extent in DEN.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 25):
I would find it extremely unlikely for AS to even be considering MEM.

Agreed
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:04 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 24):
Doubtful--FL was bigger in ATL in terms of departures than just about any WN hub, with the exception of LAS where it clearly dominates. FL was able to do that on a cost advantage, which it will no longer have once it is WN.
LAS, MDW and BWI are all larger then ATL ever was at FL and continue to grow.

Quoting enilria (Reply 31):
Cutting the frequency on ATL-LGA is huge in my mind because it says that not even the major markets are untouchable.

This frequency cut or any on a major route is not a huge surprise nor a huge deal. They have said multiple times they want to get more O&D and less connecting passengers. That is all this is.

Quoting enilria (Reply 31):
I expect WN will have 80 flights when it is all said and done.

I expect more of 150-175. There are so many destinations they can and probably plan on adding, SAN, ABQ, OAK, SLC, SAT and SNA. There are also a lot of smaller opportunities if they choose to go for some such as ALB, OKC, LIT, PVD, BDL, MHT. So decrease some frequencies and get rid of about 3 more destinations then add even a few of these cities and you are easily at 150.

[Edited 2012-11-26 13:15:20]
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:05 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA CLE-PWM MAY 0>0.7 JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0

When did Portland get cut?
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:23 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 32):
LAS, MDW and BWI are all larger then ATL ever was at FL and continue to grow.

Incorrect. About 4-5 years ago FL was close to 250 departures/weekday at ATL. That is certainly larger than WN in LAS and BWI and was at the time at least larger than WN in MDW, though not now.

Quoting enilria (Reply 31):
I expect WN will have 80 flights when it is all said and done. To do more than that they will need to essentially bank the flights to create connections. They may be forced into that. They do it to some extent in DEN.

I think in addition to the current markets, WN will fly from ATL to:
TPA
FLL
MSY
STL
MCI
DAL
SAT
LGA
DCA

And that is about it. Hope Im wrong

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 15):
I know the folks at the DL Headquarters couldn't be more happier about the FL acquisition. More airplanes and a slash of competition at your fortress. What a deal.

You bet.

Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 13):
I predict that ATL will rue the day WN bought FL.

Easy prediction. I'm sure they do already.

I dont think anyone in ATL in the city or airport is sharp enough to figure out that is going to happen just yet.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 22):
When all of this is done WN could be just as large as FL was in ATL if not larger just serving it differently.

I use to think that WN might be at 250-300 flights per day, but it isnt going to happen. WN's cost structure is simply too high to make a profit off the marginal connecting passenger in ATL. So they will go for locals only. Problem is DL has the local market and DL doesnt exactly underserve the markets theyre in. In short WN's costs are too high to operate a 110 seat airplane or a hub with 70% connecting traffic.

WN got rid of a potential competitor and FL shareholders made out, but WN hasnt handled this merger well at all.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:25 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 32):
LAS, MDW and BWI are all larger then ATL ever was at FL and continue to grow.

MDW yes, BWI no; I'm not sure any of them are consistently growing either.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:26 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 32):
LAS, MDW and BWI are all larger then ATL ever was at FL and continue to grow.

Not true. FL at ATL got as high as ~270 flights which is larger than any WN city ever has been. At the time of the merger only MDW and LAS were larger than FL/ATL in terms of flights.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:31 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 34):
I use to think that WN might be at 250-300 flights per day

From day 1 they said there were going to wind-down ATL by at least 13%.

I think ATL will be around STL-sized: 100. Do I have any evidence? Not a shred. Just playing the a.net game.

WN clearly can't utilize ATL like FL could. Is that a problem? Maybe. Looking at the other side of the coin, could DL be as effictive as WN in STL or SAN?

It's all a $$$ game, folks. I'd rather WN keep a low profile in ATL and not bleed money over going all-in against DL and losing.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:35 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 32):
LAS, MDW and BWI are all larger then ATL ever was at FL and continue to grow.

Alright, let me rephrase this. LAS, MDW and BWI are all larger then ATL was at FL at the time the acquisition was announced and yes, MDW and BWI continue to grow, LAS is relatively flat.

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 37):
It's all a $$$ game, folks. I'd rather WN keep a low profile in ATL and not bleed money over going all-in against DL and losing.

This is a very smart point. If we look at AirTran, they might have been serving ATL very well but they must have been hurting in ATL because they moved most if not all of their focus from ATL to MCO, BWI and MKE.

[Edited 2012-11-26 13:38:55]
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:00 pm

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 37):


From day 1 they said there were going to wind-down ATL by at least 13%.I think ATL will be around STL-sized: 100. Do I have any evidence? Not a shred. Just playing the a.net game. WN clearly can't utilize ATL like FL could. Is that a problem? Maybe. Looking at the other side of the coin, could DL be as effictive as WN in STL or SAN?

WN doesn't need ATL to the extent FL did. WN's been overflying ATL very successfully until very recently. ATL will be an important station for WN, but it's not make or break. The overflying to Florida alone on WN negates any real need for an ATL "hub" on the WN side. It'll probably morph into a decent sized jumping off point to the Caribbean for WN and a rolling connection station.

Those 717's are being replaced by larger aircraft as well so the net loss of seats when all is said and done will probably be minor, with more destinations available to ATL based travelers and the connections they do manage to muster up.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:19 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 38):
LAS, MDW and BWI are all larger then ATL was at FL at the time the acquisition was announced and yes

In SEP10 when the acquisition was announced WN had 160+/- daily deps at BWI, while FL had 200+/- in ATL.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 38):
MDW and BWI continue to grow, LAS is relatively flat.

Combined WN/FL BWI is down about 10 daily deps from its recent 2011 peak, LAS is down about 30 daily deps from its 2008 peak; MDW is pretty flat.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:54 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
K5 EAT-YKM DEC 1.5>0.7 JAN 1.6>0 FEB 1.6>0 MAR 1.5>0 APR 1.6>0 MAY 1.6>0 JUN 1.5>0 JUL 1.6>0
K5 PDX-YKM DEC 1.5>0.7 JAN 1.6>0 FEB 1.6>0 MAR 1.5>0 APR 1.6>0 MAY 1.6>0 JUN 1.5>0 JUL 1.6>0

Anyone here surprised? I am so amazed that K5 is still operating anything here at PDX, wonder how long PDT stays?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*NK DFW-PDX JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0.2
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN BOI-PDX MAY 1.9>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2.0>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN GEG-PDX MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2.0>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN SEA-SLC MAY 3>2
Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 10):
What's with WN cutting ATL-SEA completely for only 1 month? It seems that WN is cutting SEA flights across the board some in May - ATL, BWI, OAK, SLC, MKE, LAS

And for those who say that other carriers can compete here in the Northwest with AS/QX, here are some indications otherwise. WN sure made a go of it, and although NK seems to be a seasonal reduction, it wouldn't be reduced if it were a big smashing success. I know many who have tried NK up here, myself included, all of us said next time take AS.
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:59 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 39):
Those 717's are being replaced by larger aircraft as well so the net loss of seats when all is said and done will probably be minor, with more destinations available to ATL based travelers and the connections they do manage to muster up.

More destinations, highly arguable. Certainly not more nonstop destinations. And many of the former FL destinations are in the process of being closed. ATL is not hurting for service to unserved markets - DL already serves more markets nonstop from just ATL than WN has in its entire network.

Even without the 717 deal, DL comes out a big winner in ATL.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:15 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 41):
Anyone here surprised? I am so amazed that K5 is still operating anything here at PDX, wonder how long PDT stays?

Just as long as the EAS money keeps coming in.

If the OTH and PDT routes end for whatever reason, be kind of a misnomer for the airline who's closest airport to the sea would be Athens,GA lol.

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Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:26 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 31):
Cutting the frequency on ATL-LGA is huge in my mind because it says that not even the major markets are untouchable.

They'll probably make better use of the LGA slots by spreading out the departures to more destinations than by having so many to ATL. Certainly ATL is taking a hit, though.

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Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:04 am

ATL-LGA is currently all 717 for FL. A drop to 6x 737s is not a large drop in capacity, especially if any 738s are involved.

Anyway, FL is not making money in ATL. The hub network in ATL is all about volume for DL, not yield. For WN, ATL will be more about O&D than FL was. That's the area where DL has to be concerned with WN's entrance. And the winners and losers will be determined over the long run, not in 2013.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:20 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 45):
And the winners and losers will be determined over the long run, not in 2013.

Thank You, I completely agree, 100%.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 44):
They'll probably make better use of the LGA slots by spreading out the departures to more destinations than by having so many to ATL.

Absolutely.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 40):
In SEP10 when the acquisition was announced WN had 160+/- daily deps at BWI, while FL had 200+/- in ATL.

I am comparing the solo FL ATL to the current SWA/FL because with WN it is restructuring and we are talking FL alone anyway.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 40):
Combined WN/FL BWI is down about 10 daily deps from its recent 2011 peak, LAS is down about 30 daily deps from its 2008 peak; MDW is pretty flat.

Do you have a source, because BWI is having record passengers flying in and out of BWI.... I don't see DL adding but I sure see WN/FL adding, MDW is at monumental flights, how is that flat?
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:47 am

Interesting to see the various takes on WN's plans for ATL. We'll see how it plays out. It is apparent many making the comments are on the outside.  
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:05 am

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 32):
This frequency cut or any on a major route is not a huge surprise nor a huge deal. They have said multiple times they want to get more O&D and less connecting passengers. That is all this is.

That's why cutting LGA is very interesting. It's a major O&D.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 32):
I expect more of 150-175. There are so many destinations they can and probably plan on adding, SAN, ABQ, OAK, SLC, SAT and SNA.

Of those I'm betting you only see SAT and seasonal SAN.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 32):
There are also a lot of smaller opportunities if they choose to go for some such as ALB, OKC, LIT, PVD, BDL, MHT.

I'm betting none of those get added.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 34):
I dont think anyone in ATL in the city or airport is sharp enough to figure out that is going to happen just yet.

Of course, there is really nothing ATL could do to stop it.

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 37):

WN clearly can't utilize ATL like FL could...I'd rather WN keep a low profile in ATL and not bleed money over going all-in against DL and losing.
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 38):
If we look at AirTran, they might have been serving ATL very well but they must have been hurting in ATL because they moved most if not all of their focus from ATL to MCO, BWI and MKE.

AirTran was certainly breaking even or slightly worse in ATL and they only achieved that by trashing Florida fares to fill up on connects. WN won't do that and without out all the stimulus, the trickle down is that all the little markets won't work. There is not enough local market to have 10 or 12 ATL-SDF flights and have it be locally supported.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 41):

And for those who say that other carriers can compete here in the Northwest with AS/QX,

I think AS wins because they are the only carrier with hubs up there. The local market is very seasonal and without a hub to survive Winter the other guys die off.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 44):
Quoting enilria (Reply 31):
Cutting the frequency on ATL-LGA is huge in my mind because it says that not even the major markets are untouchable.

They'll probably make better use of the LGA slots by spreading out the departures to more destinations than by having so many to ATL. Certainly ATL is taking a hit, though.

Agreed, but you make the same decision over and over again that ICT works better to DAL and FNT works better to BWI and some of the LGA slots work better to HOU and pretty soon ATL has 80 flights. The question is not whether they are properly optimizing, the question is whether they should have bought FL. I think if the goal was only to eliminate them then I guess they should have, but that is something they would never admit.

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 47):
Interesting to see the various takes on WN's plans for ATL. We'll see how it plays out. It is apparent many making the comments are on the outside.

There are probably only about 8 people at WN who really know where this is going...and frankly, I think it is evolving quickly. I don't think they lied when they said they intended to grow ATL. I think they are learning that their model doesn't work in the face of the world's largest hub. They didn't even succeed in PHL. DEN was only because loyalty was split between carriers. How many other times have they gone into somebody else's mega-hub and won?
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:36 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 48):
How many other times have they gone into somebody else's mega-hub and won?

STL..TWA.

WN entered in 1985 in the busiest of when TWA was expanding in STL with Ozark Merger. Look who is around in STL still...TWA is gone, AA left..and WN is slowly building more then ever.

For years WN had stayed away from big major hubs mostly due to competition or slow taxi times, STL and LAX back then was the big exception. Now WN is entering everything they can and trying, they will lose some, PHL, and win some, STL and DEN. ATL is probably still too early, and we could argue, if WN intended to make it a hub and couldn't against DL it is a loss for sure. But if WN intended to reduce it by 13% as they have said, it isn't losing if that was their intention in the first place.

You have to credit WN for trying at least, any airline that tries is admirable because you win some, and you lose some, you won't find out if you sit idle.

However I don't think WN's intention of going into "Hubs" was to win in the sense people are thinking. There intention was to go into the hubs, take the OD folks WN thrives on and make it work for them, other airline's hub be damned.

There is going to be a small list of hubs WN won because back then WN didn't do hubs in the sense of doing banks, nor was it their intention to take over a hub, WN didn't have the planes and the capacity in the world to do just that.

But I suppose, STL-TWA, LAS-AWA, LAX--Hmmh? BWI-US, MCO-DL/Comair, there are many cities on this list where they were hubs for other airlines, and by now, WN is still there, and the airline doesn't exist or cut way back, is that a win in your eyes?

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