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Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:16 am

Does anyone have any idea how Emirates is doing in Seattle? I know they quickly downgauged from the 777-300ER to 777-200LR, but have been curious about how the route is performing now that it's been operating for almost 9 months.

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RE: Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:40 pm

I know cargo does very well!
 
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RE: Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:42 pm

The route started off very poorly.

I havent heard much about it since then which means its probably doing better now.
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RE: Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:48 am

Very curious what the load factors and yields are now. That's good that cargo is doing well.
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RE: Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:54 am

Quoting BA (Reply 3):
Very curious what the load factors and yields are now. That's good that cargo is doing well.

Emirates loooves to move their cargo on their own metal...I'm sure a steady stream of 777 spares from Seattle is keeping those holds full.
 
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RE: Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:31 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 4):
Emirates loooves to move their cargo on their own metal...I'm sure a steady stream of 777 spares from Seattle is keeping those holds full.

I wouldn't put it past management of EK to demand as part of negotiations with Boeing that boeing move parts on EK
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RE: Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:06 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):

I wouldn't put it past management of EK to demand as part of negotiations with Boeing that boeing move parts on EK

That sounds reasonable to me.
 
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RE: Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:10 pm

Anyone can look up SeaTac airport statistics:

http://www.portseattle.org/About/Pub...port-Statistics/Pages/default.aspx

Simply click on the "Total International Passengers by Airline" for a specific month and click View report.

Not sure how many seats Emirates has on their 77L into SEA, but ill let you guys do the math to figure a LF.
 
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RE: Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:24 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 4):
Emirates loooves to move their cargo on their own metal...I'm sure a steady stream of 777 spares from Seattle is keeping those holds full.

I can confirm that to be the case. Wonder how you came to that conclusion as well? What's your source? - LOL

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):
I wouldn't put it past management of EK to demand as part of negotiations with Boeing that boeing move parts on EK

Actually they don't demand Boeing to do so but are quite insistent that their designated forwarders use EK unless over-sized. Lots of airlines do this when they have direct service to their main hubs from vendor locations. It's perfectly logical - why pay for something they can move for free?
 
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RE: Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:43 pm

Looks to me that they have a daily 777LR with 266 seats

--AUG 2012--

SEA-DXB
Enplaned: 6820
Seats Avail: 8246
LF:82.7%

DXB-SEA
Deplaned: 8267
Seats Avail 8246
LF: >100%??

Have I got my figures wrong, 266 seats x 31 days = 8246

--JUL 2012--

SEA-DXB
6,711 (LF: 81.4%)

DXB-SEA
7,962 (LF: 96.6%)

--JUN 2012--

SEA-DXB
7,353 (92.1%)

DXB-SEA
7,494 (93.9%)

--May 2012--

SEA-DXB
5,600 (67.9%)

DXB-SEA
6,271 (76.0%)

--April 2012--

SEA-DXB
4,625 (58.0%)

DXB-SEA
7,059 (88.5%)

Outbound leg is doing relatively well, looks like the summer was very good. No doubt they are targeting YVR as well with this flight. Which is why I am surprised with the restrictions into Canada why don't more Gulf airlines fly to DTW.
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RE: Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:52 pm

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 9):
Outbound leg is doing relatively well,

This is anecdotal evidence only but here goes - my friends over at Port of Seattle tell me the flight looks to be quite full whenever they're in the terminal around departure time. Granted that's not every day and they aren't able to give me an actual head count.
 
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RE: Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:43 pm

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 9):
Outbound leg is doing relatively well, looks like the summer was very good. No doubt they are targeting YVR as well with this flight. Which is why I am surprised with the restrictions into Canada why don't more Gulf airlines fly to DTW.

Several reasons.

First, Canada-Middle East isn't that large. Much of the traffic between these two regions is largely transit heading to points beyond your usual DXB, AUH, DOH etc.

Second, while nonstop Canada - Middle East is indeed under-served and restricted, there is still a vast amount of connecting opportunities available via LHR, AMS, FRA, CDG, ZRH, VIE, IST among others, pretty much via 1-stop from every major Canadian city.

Third, the transborder journey can be a nightmare; the lines and processing time can be unpredictable and once you add in the drive time and the traffic, the whole situation loses its competitive advantage. The cost savings (coupled with a long journey) ultimately may not be worth the hassle.

Now, that being said, DTW is expected to receive new service on a ME carrier fairly soon, on QR, TK, EK, not really sure who will come first. But it's been rumored and while I can forsee some transborder traffic utilizing those flights, I doubt a large contingent will come from major cities like YYZ, YOW or YUL.
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RE: Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:59 pm

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 9):
Which is why I am surprised with the restrictions into Canada why don't more Gulf airlines fly to DTW.

There's plenty of capacity between the Gulf and Canada via Europe which avoids all the hassles (transit visas for many passengers, more security hassles etc.) of connecting in the U.S.
 
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RE: Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:09 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):
I wouldn't put it past management of EK to demand as part of negotiations with Boeing that boeing move parts on EK

many airlines have specific routings for their spares.. if they operate routinely from SEA, the cargo is accumulated for the next flight, sometimes it's accumulated and sent via a codeshare partner or a freight forwarder to the nearest point where frequent services allows use of their planes. Some even ship surface.

the only exceptions are AOG shipments where delivery is urgent.. they go the fastest way
 
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RE: Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:40 pm

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 9):

Looks to me that they have a daily 777LR with 266 seats

--AUG 2012--

SEA-DXB
Enplaned: 6820
Seats Avail: 8246
LF:82.7%

DXB-SEA
Deplaned: 8267
Seats Avail 8246
LF: >100%??

Have I got my figures wrong, 266 seats x 31 days = 8246

Could the enplaned and deplaned figues include crew?
 
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RE: Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:59 am

Quoting CO772 (Reply 14):
Could the enplaned and deplaned figues include crew?

or infants...
 
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RE: Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:33 am

Quoting CO772 (Reply 14):
Could the enplaned and deplaned figues include crew?

No the statistic clearly says enplaned/deplaned "passengers"
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RE: Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route

Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:34 pm

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 9):
Have I got my figures wrong, 266 seats x 31 days = 8246

With a difference of just 24, a one-off equipment change to the 77W would allow for that.

Update:

FlightAware shows that it was actually operated by a 772 with 346 seats on the 19 August. Hence the ability for greater capacity.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAE230/history/20120820/0030Z/KSEA/OMDB

[Edited 2012-11-29 04:44:19]

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