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Highest Yielding European Markets From MIA?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:27 am

Does anyone know what the highest yielding European markets are from Miami? At least a top ten list. I know Zurich, London, and Frankfurt are among the top. How about Lisbon and Rome for example?
 
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RE: Highest Yielding European Markets From MIA?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:34 am

Yield ?

Could be something as remote as MIA - to a small village in France lets say.

Remember high yield does not in most cases mean a large sized market, as larger markets tend to be competitive and thus see yield dilution.
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RE: Highest Yielding European Markets From MIA?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:51 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):

True, but high yields are usually what determine a success of a route, loads don't mean much to airlines. For example KL and LH had extremely high loads out of MIA but both ended up pulling out due to terrible yield.
 
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RE: Highest Yielding European Markets From MIA?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:17 am

Quoting miaintl (Reply 2):
For example KL and LH had extremely high loads out of MIA but both ended up pulling out due to terrible yield.

LH pulled out of MIA?

You said the three obvious ones with LHR, ZRH and FRA. I am sure MAD might be in there too lots of business traffic between the two cities. But there wont any list or anything like that, these are all guesses.
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RE: Highest Yielding European Markets From MIA?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:00 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 3):

I meant LH pulled out of MIA-MUC.
 
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RE: Highest Yielding European Markets From MIA?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:05 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 4):
I meant LH pulled out of MIA-MUC.

I was gonna say....if you call a 380 "pulling out" of a market, I'll take it any day!
 
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RE: Highest Yielding European Markets From MIA?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:29 pm

In terms of average fares, of the very large markets (150 PDEW+), it's London, followed by Zurich. Of any market of at least 50 PDEW, it's Geneva. Moscow is also high up there and it's slowly approaching to become a 100 PDEW within 3 years.

Nice and Venice are also high fare markets at just over 40 PDEW.

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RE: Highest Yielding European Markets From MIA?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:04 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 6):

Mark do you know why Miami-Moscow is so high-yielding? Are there any Russian businesses or corporations headquartered in Miami by any chance? I think Miami-Lisbon is pretty high-yielding aswell and gets a good share of business traffic considering Espirito Santo is headquartered here.
 
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RE: Highest Yielding European Markets From MIA?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:29 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 7):
Mark do you know why Miami-Moscow is so high-yielding?

Easy:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49899197/Why_...mi_Is_Becoming_the_Russian_Riviera
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RE: Highest Yielding European Markets From MIA?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:35 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):

Do you see Aeroflot going daily to MIA in a couple of years? Funny that we don't have a Russian consulate in Miami with all these Russians in our city. Mark do you ever see Miami-Russia becoming a bigger market than Miami-Italy one day?

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RE: Highest Yielding European Markets From MIA?

Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:26 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 9):
Do you see Aeroflot going daily to MIA in a couple of years? Funny that we don't have a Russian consulate in Miami with all these Russians in our city. Mark do you ever see Miami-Russia becoming a bigger market than Miami-Italy one day?

Hey Vincent:

I think we will see it very soon. Lately SoBe has become more and more controlled by Russians. The last few times I had some talks with the business owners there and they were all telling me that the Russian community is buying a lot of commercial properties specially in the Washington Av/Collins Av.

Nevertheless our city is pretty surprising. At first I thought that TP would remain as the black sheep and there they are as a strong contender in the TATL race. I am pretty sure that the top are LHR, FRA, ZRH...followed pretty close by DUS, MOW, FCO and LIS. On the other side...MAD as it is a highest yield route is now not going through it best as the Spanish Crisis is in its high. On the very bottom I think we have AMS, CDG and BCN as they are mostly leasure. Dunno where MXP and BER stand on this, but for sure BER will see a growth next year.

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RE: Highest Yielding European Markets From MIA?

Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:23 am

Quoting cybergus (Reply 10):

How do you know that Lisbon is a high-yielding market out of MIA? I simply assumed it because of Espirito Santo. I was under the impression that FCO was mostly low-yielding holiday traffic, I know MXP is the high yielding destination in Italy. Hopefully SU will go daily to MIA in the future, if the Russian market is what you say it is.
 
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RE: Highest Yielding European Markets From MIA?

Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:08 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 11):
How do you know that Lisbon is a high-yielding market out of MIA? I simply assumed it because of Espirito Santo.

Not only because of the "Espiritu Santo" bank and some other Portuguese businesses in the area, but also because TP is, among the 3 carriers with direct service to the iberic peninsula, the one with a bit higher business product and the ideal aircraft to fly the route with profitability. Also TP not only serves the portuguese market but the northern region of Spain (Galicia). The TP brand is very well known for travelers between this area and the americas (most of them do not like IB...and not to speak about AA). The increase in the frequencies might give us a hint that they know what they are doing and they are doing it good. The only thing I see from TP is that they need to make strong ties between their *A partners at MIA., that is, take advantage of possible connections to C.America with TA. If they do that I think we can see TP going daily soon.

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RE: Highest Yielding European Markets From MIA?

Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:28 pm

Quoting cybergus (Reply 12):
The only thing I see from TP is that they need to make strong ties between their *A partners at MIA., that is, take advantage of possible connections to C.America with TA. If they do that I think we can see TP going daily soon.

I don't know if TP will go daily any time soon, but MIA is not an ideal hub for connections because of the inherent TATL schedule and the visa situation for foreign nationals wanting to transit in the US. MIA will grow for TP thanks to their strong connections at LIS to Spain, Italy, England, Germany and to a lesser extent Africa and Moscow. TP has applied for increased frequencies to MOW and that will without a doubt connect a few more passengers to MIA. They are employing the same exact growth strategy at MIA that they have so succesfully used in Brazil: start with 3 weekly frequencies and build up the connecting traffic to/from Europe.
 
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RE: Highest Yielding European Markets From MIA?

Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:42 pm

Does anyone know how SU is performing so far? I wonder if they're stealing any passengers from UN.