LAXintl
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Alaska - AeroMexico Plan Codeshare

Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:51 pm

Alaska and Horizon Air have filed with the DOT for authorization to permitting them to display AeroMexico's "AM" code on flights operated between the United States and points in Mexico.

The carriers state that back in August they entered into a codeshare agreement and now seek to implement such agreement on the following city pairs.

Operated by Alaska
LAX - IxtapalZihuatanejo
LAX - Manzanillo
LAX - Mazatlan
LAX - Puerto Vallarta
LAX - San Jose del Cabo
SAN - Puerto Vallarta
SFO - Puerto Vallarta
SFO - San Jose del Cabo
SJC - Guadalajara
SJC - San Jose del Cabo

Operated by Horizon
LAX - La Paz
LAX - Loreto


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hiflyeras
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RE: Alaska - AeroMexico Plan Codeshare

Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:12 pm

Potentially great news for AS customers! Wondering if there will be reciprocal benefits for FF'ers?
 
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RE: Alaska - AeroMexico Plan Codeshare

Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:41 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 1):
Potentially great news for AS customers!

How do AS customers benefit? These seem to be routes already operated by Alaska.
 
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RE: Alaska - AeroMexico Plan Codeshare

Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:46 pm

Interesting that the seasonal flights from SEA seem to be off the table...I suppose that might have something to do with AM cutting service here a few years ago. Flights to MEX from LAX appear to be absent as well...
 
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RE: Alaska - AeroMexico Plan Codeshare

Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:04 am

Quoting klkla (Reply 2):
How do AS customers benefit? These seem to be routes already operated by Alaska.

These are the AS routes. The benefit lies in the expanded network to/from/within Mexico that would become available to them.
 
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RE: Alaska - AeroMexico Plan Codeshare

Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:13 am

Codeshare is to place the AM flight code on AS services, not the other way around. In other words AM and its clients get a network boost.

At the end of the day, AS simply garners some potential incremental revenue from AM.
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RE: Alaska - AeroMexico Plan Codeshare

Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:26 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 3):
Flights to MEX from LAX appear to be absent as well...

As these are already operated by AM, whereas the rest are not.
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RE: Alaska - AeroMexico Plan Codeshare

Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:26 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
LAX - La Paz

I thought AS/QX was discontinuing LAP.


I wonder if AS will take a shot at SEA-MEX and SJC-MEX. I think the latter could definitely work. A return of SJC-PVR would be nice too.
 
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RE: Alaska - AeroMexico Plan Codeshare

Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:14 am

Can someone provide a link to the DOT docket regarding this because I don't find it. I've also not heard anything from the company about AS entering into an agreement with AM. Could be I just missed it but I don't see anything anywhere about this except for here.
 
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RE: Alaska - AeroMexico Plan Codeshare

Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:24 am

When AM was serving SEA, wasn't AM hurtin' financially? Also, what makes you think that AM will not come back to SEA? A lot of the times, discontinuation of service is temporary...but could be discontinued for a significant period of time. Now that AM is making money and a possible prospect of another codeshare, I think AM's return is a real possibility.
 
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RE: Alaska - AeroMexico Plan Codeshare

Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:33 am

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 6):
As these are already operated by AM, whereas the rest are not.

Probably should have connected the dots there...it was a long day!

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
When AM was serving SEA, wasn't AM hurtin' financially? Also, what makes you think that AM will not come back to SEA? A lot of the times, discontinuation of service is temporary...but could be discontinued for a significant period of time. Now that AM is making money and a possible prospect of another codeshare, I think AM's return is a real possibility.

SEA-MEX (or if I recall correctly, SEA-GDL-MEX) was probably worth a shot, but I think it's one of those routes that's about as long as it is thin. It was tried before on MX (and I think AM, too) and didn't pan out. I suspect the numbers will be there for it to work for someone in the next decade, but right now, it's probably hovering north of being a non-starter. An AM/AS codeshare on SEA-MEX certainly wouldn't hurt...
 
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RE: Alaska - AeroMexico Plan Codeshare

Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:54 am

AM carried good loads on SEA-MEX from what I saw....but like SEA-CUN the fares likely couldn't justify the route. Would love to see MEX return...if anyone could make it work AS could with all the feed from AK, western Canada and the PNW.
 
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RE: Alaska - AeroMexico Plan Codeshare

Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:30 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 10):
SEA-MEX (or if I recall correctly, SEA-GDL-MEX) was probably worth a shot, but I think it's one of those routes that's about as long as it is thin. It was tried before on MX (and I think AM, too) and didn't pan out. I suspect the numbers will be there for it to work for someone in the next decade, but right now, it's probably hovering north of being a non-starter. An AM/AS codeshare on SEA-MEX certainly wouldn't hurt...

Would a flight that was timed well for connectingto KE SEA-ICN and DL SEA-NRT/KIX/PEK/(upcoming)PVG stand a better chance of success?

I'm asking, I really don't know the amount of traffic between MEX and NE Asia.
 
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RE: Alaska - AeroMexico Plan Codeshare

Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:06 pm

Interesting news. I guess this proves the saying "if you cannot beat them, join them". This is good for AM passengers.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
When AM was serving SEA, wasn't AM hurtin' financially? Also, what makes you think that AM will not come back to SEA? A lot of the times, discontinuation of service is temporary...but could be discontinued for a significant period of time. Now that AM is making money and a possible prospect of another codeshare, I think AM's return is a real possibility.

Back then, AM was not doing great because MX was still around (there was too much competition and MX was even waging a fare war), we had the H1N1 epidemic, the global financial crisis, etc. In any case, I think this "temporary suspesion" as you put it has lasted too long to be truly temporary... seems to me AM is not looking to return to SEA at the moment. I would love to see AM return to SEA when it starts receiving the 737MAXs but even that is not necessarily certain.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 10):
SEA-MEX (or if I recall correctly, SEA-GDL-MEX) was probably worth a shot, but I think it's one of those routes that's about as long as it is thin. It was tried before on MX (and I think AM, too) and didn't pan out. I suspect the numbers will be there for it to work for someone in the next decade, but right now, it's probably hovering north of being a non-starter. An AM/AS codeshare on SEA-MEX certainly wouldn't hurt...

AM's MEX-SEA was nonstop. Maybe you are thinking of MX's MEX-GDL-SEA (a long time ago) or MX's MEX-GDL-PDX (not that long ago).

Quoting Prost (Reply 12):
Would a flight that was timed well for connectingto KE SEA-ICN and DL SEA-NRT/KIX/PEK/(upcoming)PVG stand a better chance of success?

I'm asking, I really don't know the amount of traffic between MEX and NE Asia.

Maybe. However, demand for travel between Asia and Mexico is currently satisfied by AM's services to NRT and PVG via NRT. Flying to Asia via the U.S. and Canada is inconvenient for many Mexicans because of the visa requirements.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Alaska - AeroMexico Plan Codeshare

Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 8):
Can someone provide a link to the DOT docket regarding this because I don't find it.

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