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Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:24 pm

Dear,
Would like to know how many B747-800I Lufthansa is operating now, and on what routes?
sometimes the LH418 Frankfurt-Washington, is flying over my house, using D-ABYA, D-ABYC and this week D-ABYF., but I don't know the other routes...

Thanks a lot. DID747

 
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:52 pm

So far, they are flying to IAD, BLR and DEL. And soon, LAX.
 
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:01 pm

I hate myself for doing this, but..

Quoting DID747 (Thread starter):
B747-800I

It's 747-8i and not 747-800I
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:07 pm

I understand they have 4 at the moment:-

D-ABYA
D-ABYC
D-ABYD
D-ABYF

HTH
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:49 pm

I know D-ABYB was skipped because of a previous accident involving that registration number, but why has D-ABYE been skipped as well?
 
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:57 pm

D-ABYE is being retained at Boeing for further tests, probably connected with the activation of the tank in the tail.
It will be delivered in 2015.
Next year 5 more are to join the fleet.
 
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:26 pm

Does LH put cargo on its 748s? As they only have 368 seats on them? Seems a bit wasteful not going with a full belly.
 
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:19 pm

Any updates on when/if ORD service will start?
 
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:25 pm

Chances are I will fly the 748I next month. Just got a job offer including this 
  
 
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:33 pm

G'day

Quoting steman (Reply 5):
It will be delivered in 2015.

How come they need in excess of two years to test / certify something that has been there from the beginning?   

And why use a customer's plane for that?   


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Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:07 pm

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 9):
How come they need in excess of two years to test / certify something that has been there from the beginning?

Part of that time will relate to testing but modifying the airplane from flight test configuration back to the customer configuration will take up a lot of time.

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 9):
And why use a customer's plane for that?

Except for the first 747 (RA001), 767 (VA001) and 757 (NA001) all the airplanes Boeing has used in flight test have gone eventually to the airlines. The first 777 (WA001) is owned by CAT.
 
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:27 pm

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 2):
I hate myself for doing this, but..

Quoting DID747 (Thread starter):
B747-800I

It's 747-8i and not 747-800I

I often feel the same way when I see people using apostrophes incorrectly.
It's 737s, 747s and 380s. Not 737's, 747's and 380's. Learn to use the apostrophe for crying out loud.
 
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:39 pm

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 2):
It's 747-8i and not 747-800I

Not exactly, Boeing use 747-8i for marketing, but the lufthansa 747 is an 830 according to the FAA. Same thing for the freighters. Atlas's are 87uf.
 
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:51 pm

Any future for the 748i for FRA-YYZ?

Unlikely right now with AC codesharing 77Ws on this route.....

[Edited 2012-11-30 10:54:46]
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:21 pm

OK 747-8i, I think everyone understood I didn't talk about 747-100, 200, 300, 400 when I said 747-800I, it was very close to 747-8i, isn't it?
I didn't know a dictionary was talking with us...
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Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:35 pm

It has been said above: D-ABYA, D-ABYC, D-ABYD and D-ABYF (which I flew today, brandnew).   

D-ABYB has been skipped due to the accident with that registration back then. And D-ABYE will be joining later as Boeing wants to keep that airplane a little longer.

IAD, BLR, DEL are served at the moment with the 748i, LAX will start December 10th and the next destination is known as well, but I cannot tell.
ORD will follow in 2013 as well and some others are in the pipeline as well...

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Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:35 pm

Quoting overcast (Reply 12):
Quoting travelavnut (Reply 2):
It's 747-8i and not 747-800I

Not exactly, Boeing use 747-8i for marketing, but the lufthansa 747 is an 830 according to the FAA. Same thing for the freighters. Atlas's are 87uf.

The FAA type certificate data sheet uses 747-8 and 747-8F generically for the passenger and cargo models, but when referring to individual aircraft for exceptions etc. they use the Boeing customer codes, e.g. 747-830 (LH), 747-8KB (Qatar Amiri Flight) etc.
 
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Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:05 am

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 13):
Any future for the 748i for FRA-YYZ?

Unlikely right now with AC codesharing 77Ws on this route....

I asked the same question, I doubt LH would put the 747-8 on the YYZ rotation, although I heard there is a chance of a few flights during the summer. AC would have to downgage their AC872 flight to a 763s or A333s but AC is making too much $ filling the 77Ws belly with cargo to FRA.

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Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:35 am

How is the 748i actually doing? Is LH satisfied with the new jumbo so far, especially in comparison to the A380 and the 744. And how do the pax like it?
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Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:47 am

Quoting conaly (Reply 18):
How is the 748i actually doing? Is LH satisfied with the new jumbo so far, especially in comparison to the A380 and the 744. And how do the pax like it?

My sources all say the 748I is doing great, LH and pax being very happy with it. I havent heard the slightest negative comment, and my LH connections are good enough they wouldnt hide such from me if there are any issues.
 
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Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:50 am

Quoting DID747 (Thread starter):
sometimes the LH418 Frankfurt-Washington, is flying over my house, using D-ABYA, D-ABYC and this week D-ABYF., but I don't know the other routes...

I flew D-ABYA FRA-IAD this past Sunday so I am guessing by this weekend it's tomorrow and Sunday  
Quoting conaly (Reply 18):
And how do the pax like it?

I personally loved it...but LH pitch in Y is crap! The only other time I'll fly them is in J or rather when I am traveling to Germany on business.
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RE: LH 747-8I, How Many Now, Where They Fly To

Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:10 am

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 15):
D-ABYB has been skipped due to the accident with that registration back then.

Is this Flight 540 that you are referring to by any chance?
 
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Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:12 am

Quoting gytr31 (Reply 21):

Is this Flight 540 that you are referring to by any chance?

Yes that's the one
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Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:30 am

Quoting krisyyz (Reply 17):
Quoting bmacleod (Reply 13):
Any future for the 748i for FRA-YYZ?

Unlikely right now with AC codesharing 77Ws on this route....

I asked the same question, I doubt LH would put the 747-8 on the YYZ rotation, although I heard there is a chance of a few flights during the summer. AC would have to downgage their AC872 flight to a 763s or A333s but AC is making too much $ filling the 77Ws belly with cargo to FRA.

KrisYYZ

I keep hearing the rumour once a few more 748i's get into the fleet, YYZ will see it occasionally as a marketing/publicity push but not a regular scheduled route.

The LH 748i is also very premium heavy and I am not sure there is enough front traffic to take the additional First and Business seats. The flight is profit share not just codeshare so it doesn't matter what metal the passenger flies for AC or LH profit. However, the cargo isn't profit share so as pointed out above, AC likes the cargo that fills the 77W belly. The route is very cargo profitable. Now should cargo be added to profit share there could be more movement back and forth and onto the LH MD11F.
 
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RE: LH 747-8I, How Many Now, Where They Fly To

Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:29 am

Quoting DID747 (Reply 14):
OK 747-8i, I think everyone understood I didn't talk about 747-100, 200, 300, 400 when I said 747-800I, it was very close to 747-8i, isn't it?
I didn't know a dictionary was talking with us...

He was just trying to be helpful--and in a nice way. It's always good to use correct terminology even though the meaning may be clear without it. I don't think it was meant as a personal attack.
 
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Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:08 am

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 15):
ORD will follow in 2013 as well and some others are in the pipeline as well...

Glad it's on it's way. Will ORD continue as a mix of 748s and & 744s for some years, or is it expected to become 748I exclusively?

Quoting na (Reply 19):
My sources all say the 748I is doing great, LH and pax being very happy with it. I havent heard the slightest negative comment, and my LH connections are good enough they wouldnt hide such from me if there are any issues.

Excellent news.  
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Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:53 am

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 23):
The LH 748i is also very premium heavy and I am not sure there is enough front traffic to take the additional First and Business seats.

The 748 get a new version: 8/80/298. That means not really heavy premium than others. The 744 has 8/80/242 (or 234) and during winter 8/66/270. And all LH long haul aircrafts which contain a first class have 8 seats.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 25):
Glad it's on it's way. Will ORD continue as a mix of 748s and & 744s for some years, or is it expected to become 748I exclusively?

Well, things change quite often, so who knows what happens. My personal opinion is that it will be a mix of 748 and an Airbus. I am not sure if you really need 2 748's to ORD. But that's my personal opinion.

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RE: LH 747-8I, How Many Now, Where They Fly To

Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:34 am

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 26):
The 748 get a new version: 8/80/298. That means not really heavy premium than others.

As much as I know thats only for the winter and is going to be changed again in a few months.
 
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Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:37 am

Quoting na (Reply 27):
As much as I know thats only for the winter and is going to be changed again in a few months.

Yes, same for the 744. In summer with 80 C class and during winter with 66 C class. They change that basically every summer/ winter.

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Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:40 am

Does anybody have the names for the existing and for next few aircraft to come?
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Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:42 am

Quoting LH506 (Reply 29):
Does anybody have the names for the existing and for next few aircraft to come?

D-ABYA Brandenburg
D-ABYC Sachsen
D-ABYD Mecklenburg- Vorpommern
D-ABYF Sachsen- Anhalt.

Names for the future airplanes are not known yet. But it could be the names of the retired 744's.

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Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:08 am

FRA-HKG will follow in February 2013 replacing the daily -400.

[Edited 2012-12-01 03:26:44]
 
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Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:07 pm

Quoting LH506 (Reply 29):
Does anybody have the names for the existing and for next few aircraft to come?

D-ABYA Brandenburg
D-ABYC Sachsen
D-ABYD Mecklenburg- Vorpommern
D-ABYF Sachsen- Anhalt.

Names for the future airplanes are not known yet. But it could be the names of the retired 744's.

wilco737

So the next one will be Thueringen to complete the East  
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Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:09 pm

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 15):
the next destination is known as well, but I cannot tell.
Quoting chris7217 (Reply 32):
FRA-HKG will follow in February 2013 replacing the daily -400.[Edited 2012-12-01 03:26:44]

So HKG is next after LAX?
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RE: LH 747-8I, How Many Now, Where They Fly To

Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:38 pm

LH recently switched their 346 to a 744 on their FRA-DEN route for this summer.

Since this change was pretty recent, I guess that DEN isn't going to be seeing the 748i this year, even though the airport management has prepared for it.

Maybe next summer?

(oh well........)

 
 
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Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:54 am

Quoting sweair (Reply 6):

Does LH put cargo on its 748s? As they only have 368 seats on them? Seems a bit wasteful not going with a full belly.

Of course they put cargo on the plane. That said, they also haul a ton of premium traffic.

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 26):
The 748 get a new version: 8/80/298. That means not really heavy premium than others.

By percentage, its very premium heavy (as are their 744s).
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RE: LH 747-8I, How Many Now, Where They Fly To

Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:42 am

Quoting point2point (Reply 34):
LH recently switched their 346 to a 744 on their FRA-DEN route for this summer.

Since this change was pretty recent, I guess that DEN isn't going to be seeing the 748i this year, even though the airport management has prepared for it.

Maybe next summer?

(oh well........)


I was thinking about the same thing, now some here say 748 is premium heavy and some its not, what is the structure of this route, is it also premium heavy? I guess this will determine whether DEN will see a 748 in near future or further down the road.
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:49 am

Has LH considered MEX??

LH once flew 10X to MEX and for the 3rd time has cancelled attempts to start MUC-MEX.

Would be great and ahead of all airlines flying to Europe in the market by offering a nice new modern plane.

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RE: LH 747-8I, How Many Now, Where They Fly To

Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:53 am

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 37):
Has LH considered MEX??

I am sure LH is considering MEX as well, especially as MEX-FRA is sometimes pretty difficult to do in the 744. I mean the elevation of MEX is pretty high and maybe the 748 performs better out of this high elevation airport.

So it is for sure a possibility.

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Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:17 am

Quoting na (Reply 8):

Chances are I will fly the 748I next month. Just got a job offer including this

I guess that includes another design assignment by LH?  
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RE: LH 747-8I, How Many Now, Where They Fly To

Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:35 am

does anybody know flight numbers for LH 747-8i routes?
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:40 am

Quoting DID747 (Reply 40):
does anybody know flight numbers for LH 747-8i routes?

Easy to find out on www.lufthansa.de

FRA-IAD-FRA: LH418/419
FRA-DEL-FRA: LH760/761
FRA-BLR-FRA: LH754/755

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RE: LH 747-8I, How Many Now, Where They Fly To

Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:53 am

Thank you very much Wilco for your good informations, always...

Hope to see them over my house too when they will fly to LAX...
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RE: LH 747-8I, How Many Now, Where They Fly To

Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:48 pm

Quoting DID747 (Reply 40):

does anybody know flight numbers for LH 747-8i routes?

Check out this site, you'll be able to track them wherever they're at to see.

http://www.flightradar24.com/LOT9787

I've noticed LH418 has been running late lately, except for yesterday when it was spot-on. It's running two hours behind today and just entered US airspace. What's up with the LH's on-time departure record on this route, anyone?
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RE: LH 747-8I, How Many Now, Where They Fly To

Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:56 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 43):
I've noticed LH418 has been running late lately, except for yesterday when it was spot-on. It's running two hours behind today and just entered US airspace. What's up with the LH's on-time departure record on this route, anyone?

Weather in FRA. Snow and rain and wind... And then chaos in FRA. And as there are no spare 748's which can be used, they run a little late.

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RE: LH 747-8I, How Many Now, Where They Fly To

Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:04 pm

Quoting lh526 (Reply 39):
I guess that includes another design assignment by LH?

No, LH jobs unfortunately never take me much further than FRA.

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 44):
Weather in FRA. Snow and rain

Snowfall is pretty early this year. Twice in two days in early December, quite unusual.
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:31 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 44):
Weather in FRA. Snow and rain and wind... And then chaos in FRA. And as there are no spare 748's which can be used, they run a little late.
Quoting na (Reply 45):
Snowfall is pretty early this year. Twice in two days in early December, quite unusual.

Ooh yikes! I guess I visited Germany right on time and left before the snowfall! UA 903 though has been on time all week so maybe snow isn't as bad in MUC.
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RE: LH 747-8I, How Many Now, Where They Fly To

Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:04 pm

Wilco,
is the Delhi route 100% 748I now, or the odd 744 still flying on that route sometimes?
 
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RE: LH 747-8I, How Many Now, Where They Fly To

Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:06 pm

Quoting na (Reply 47):

Wilco,
is the Delhi route 100% 748I now, or the odd 744 still flying on that route sometimes?

AFAIK it is daily at the moment. Every once in a while I see a 744 to IAD in the booking system.

BLR will be reduced when the next 748i destination arrives as for that new destination you need 2 frames. And once the next 748i comes, BLR goes back to daily 748i.

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