brucek
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SFO Runways In Use Today?

Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:26 pm

I’m wondering if anyone near or at SFO, or with access to ATIS, can inform whether SFO is using the 19’s for both takeoffs and landings today. A quote form the METAR file:

KSFO 301305Z 20026G37KT 3SM +RA FEW013 BKN022 OVC034 17/16 A2982 RMK AO2 PK WND 19037/1303 VIS 2 1/2 P0006 $

With wind gusts like that from 200 I’m wondering if the 28’s / 10's are even usable?

Thanks, Bruce.

[Edited 2012-11-30 09:28:17]
 
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legacyins
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:31 pm

Yes, they are using 19L/R for both arriving and departing traffic as of most of last night and this morning. They may be switching as of 0915.
 
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:35 pm

Bruce

We are departing 10L/R and arriving 19L currently (1600). At the time you post the ATIS (1300) the departures would be using 19R and 19L for larger a/c pending weights and climb performance.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...1/history/20121130/1400Z/KSFO/KLAX

If you zoom in on the departure portion of this UAL flight, you can see they departed 19's at 630a this morning.
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:23 pm

Since SFO will not take on the environmental whacko's in the Bay Area and build a new runway......it would be wise if people took their domestic flights out of Oakland or San Jose----hardly ever any delays there.
 
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:39 pm

Thnaks for the replies, much appreciated.

as739x, the flight you referenced on FlightAware (UA381), I'm not sure if this is your's or not (your handle doesn't match   ), but look at that sharp left turn on take-off.... I recall being a pax on a CO MD80 years ago and experiencing that departure during similar weather.

I got my private license at SQL, runway is 30/12, would be one heck of a crosswind for a C152 today.....

Thanks again, Bruce.
 
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:04 pm

Quoting brucek (Reply 4):

That sharp left turn is the immediate turn they make of 19R.

http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1212/00375PORTE.PDF

As you can see on the departure, the flights make an immediate left turn to intercept the 090 radial off the SFO VOR.

Quoting brucek (Reply 4):
I got my private license at SQL, runway is 30/12, would be one heck of a crosswind for a C152 today.....

I got my PVT there is well. One of the best x-wind airports around, your right.
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:10 pm

Quoting brucek (Reply 4):
I got my private license at SQL, runway is 30/12, would be one heck of a crosswind for a C152 today.....

Actually, SQL has relatively light winds today, unlike its neighbor to the north.
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:42 pm

It' s 2:45, looks like they are using 19L for departure.
 
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:25 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 3):
Since SFO will not take on the environmental whacko's in the Bay Area and build a new runway......it would be wise if people took their domestic flights out of Oakland or San Jose----hardly ever any delays there.

Actually, none of that might be necessary soon. SFO is working on implementing a new simultaneous approach system called CASPRS, (Pronounced like Casper the Friendly Ghost) a part of NEXTGEN that would allow slightly offset approaches to the closely spaced parallels even in zero visibility thanks to different glideslope angles combined with about a mile and a half offset on the arrivals. It will still be a lower arrival rate than normal visual sideby's, but it will significantly reduce delays and should be in place by 2014.
 
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:28 pm

Quoting rickabone (Reply 8):
Actually, none of that might be necessary soon. SFO is working on implementing a new simultaneous approach system called CASPRS, (Pronounced like Casper the Friendly Ghost) a part of NEXTGEN that would allow slightly offset approaches to the closely spaced parallels even in zero visibility thanks to different glideslope angles combined with about a mile and a half offset on the arrivals. It will still be a lower arrival rate than normal visual sideby's, but it will significantly reduce delays and should be in place by 2014.

I would still like a new runway but this will no doubt help!
 
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:50 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 9):
I would still like a new runway but this will no doubt help!

But unfortunately we know that will not be happening. The airport is no longer even pushing the issues. So CASPRS is the next best thing.



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 6):
Actually, SQL has relatively light winds today, unlike its neighbor to the north.

Only some of the say. I live within spitting distance of SQL and it was howling most of the day.

Quoting legacyins (Reply 7):
It' s 2:45, looks like they are using 19L for departure

Looks like we will have some more 19 action here in the next 24 hrs. here Legs!!

011731Z 0118/0224 17015KT P6SM -SHRA SCT015 BKN020 FM012200 17012KT P6SM VCSH SCT025 BKN100 FM020200 15010KT P6SM VCSH BKN025 OVC030 FM020500 15020G25KT P6SM BKN025 OVC030 FM020900 16021G30KT 3SM RA BKN020 OVC030 FM022000 18016KT 5SM -SHRA OVC030
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:26 pm

Why not extend the Bart line to Oakland and get rid of that damn inconvienent bus crap!
 
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:31 pm

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 11):
Why not extend the Bart line to Oakland and get rid of that damn inconvienent bus crap!

Being done now----will be ready end of next year!!
 
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:18 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 12):

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 11):
Why not extend the Bart line to Oakland and get rid of that damn inconvienent bus crap!

Being done now----will be ready end of next year!!


Sort of. It will be a people moving system from the Bart Station to the airport. Plus, there is a fee, not sure how much, to use the system. Unlike SFO, where the Bart train goes directly into the airport.
 
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:43 pm

Quoting legacyins (Reply 13):
Sort of. It will be a people moving system from the Bart Station to the airport. Plus, there is a fee, not sure how much, to use the system. Unlike SFO, where the Bart train goes directly into the airport.

Yes there will be a fee to go to OAK but the fee to go to SFO is built into the BART ticket---same difference.
 
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:55 pm

You can also get runway use information here:

http://www.fly.faa.gov/ois/

If you click on the number under 028, you can see, as of 0855 PST on 12/2/2012, SFO is using 19L/R. AAR is only 25!

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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:48 am

I was at SFO this morning, waiting for my 0745L departure as a non-revenue standby. Departures were using 19R and because of the short runway length, the 767 operating SFO-ATL was subject to performance limitations that resulted in weight restrictions. None of the non-revs boarded, but it made for some awesome views of the sharp left turns from the 19 departures. By 0830L, winds had shifted in favor of the 28s, and my 0845L departure used 28L for take-off. What a crazy morning!
 
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:38 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 14):
Yes there will be a fee to go to OAK but the fee to go to SFO is built into the BART ticket---same difference.

I think an awesome answer would be a high-speed ferry service between SFO and OAK.
 
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:28 am

[quote=rickabone,reply=17]I think an awesome answer would be a high-speed ferry service between SFO and OAK.

That would be a very pleasant ride this past week when winds were gusting over 50kts  
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RE: SFO Runways In Use Today?

Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:37 am

Anytime you need ATIS information for SFO, you can call 650-877-3585, which is a direct line to the ATIS recording.

Just FYI