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S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:32 pm

My obsession with s-UA adds at EWR continues. This time I've noticed that there has been a large influx of s-UA birds to Florida from EWR and less to the west coast. Tomorrow for instance s-UA is flying 757 4x to MCO, 3x to MIA, and 2x to FLL. And during the week it seems EWR-PBI is now getting 320s, EWR-TPA gets 757, and later this month EWR-RSW will get 32S as well. TPA gets A320s from EWR nearly every day.

I guess my question is are these the new winter snowbirds (s-UA A320/757) on the busy EWR-Florida coordinator? Any idea where the s-CO 757s are going that are disappearing from these former routes? Also notice that some s-CO 757 are now heavily flying EWR-SFO/LAX/DEN with s-UA only down to 1x daily (most days). It seems the s-UA 757s are gone from EWR-LAS/SAN/SNA/SEA for the time being but still seeing them on EWR-BOS and PDX on most days, in addition to the other hubs and Florida.
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:21 am

I know EWR-MIA was getting a 753 on the morning (8am) rotation last time I checked. I don't know if that has changed since then. Also, I believe the EWR-SNA route is now 2x 737 in addition to the a319.

Some other routes that s-UA aircraft are flying today (Nov. 30th):

EWR-SXM is an a320
EWR-PHX is 2x a320 and a 739
EWR-IAD has a daily E-170 now (previously all E-145s and Dash8s (200/400))

These are just a few that I can find, not really including all the express routes.

On the contrary, EWR-CLE is back to all s-CO aircraft.
 
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:32 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 1):

On the contrary, EWR-CLE is back to all s-CO aircraft.

S-UA on EWR-CLE come and go. They are definitely around through the month of december.

Also on 12/31 EWR-PBI gets an s-UA 757. Might be the first s-UA visit to PBI....ever?
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:41 am

Don't forget to differentiate between the sCO 752 and 753, the 752 is an intl' config bird. I believe these used to make the quick hop to Florida/caribbean in between TA flts. However recently the sCO 752s have been found on some JFK-SFO/LAX flts so they may be pulling them off of the EWR-Florida flts. As for the 753s, they have really been spread through out the network on LAX/SFO-IAH/EWR/ORD/IAD, all of which are rather long stage lengths. sUA had a good number of 752s so it isn't hard to believe they are plugging them into EWR.
 
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:45 am

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 3):

Yeah true. The only staple 753 route out of EWR these days is to AUA, which is no surprise when you think about it.

The December list of s-UA 757 routes out of EWR seems to be:

BOS, TPA, MCO, FLL, PBI, MIA, ORD, LAX, IAH, DEN, PDX

Generally the appearances are made few times weekly, definitely not daily in most cases.
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:27 am

UA used to fly 1 a day PBI-ORD with a 733/A319 and in the winter 2 flights a day.... normally packed to the brim. United used to handle Air Canada in PBI with a very senior staff..
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:26 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 2):

You are right, as after I posted the comment, I noticed that there was still s-UA metal operating CLE-EWR.
 
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:33 am

Sorry, what's S-UA?????? Is that PMUA????
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:47 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 7):
Sorry, what's S-UA?????? Is that PMUA????

Precisely. Just another way of saying it.  
 
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:27 am

Quoting usxguy (Reply 5):

Sorry I met subsidiary UA - 757 into PBI. I don't think it's ever been operated before aside 727 and A319/A320.

Either way, I think it's a milestone a s-UA 757 operating EWR-PBI
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:48 pm

What does S-UA mean?

I know it is old UA, but what is the s?

We should try to not use abbreviations that aren't well known imo
 
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:02 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
What does S-UA mean?

I know it is old UA, but what is the s?

We should try to not use abbreviations that aren't well known imo


Subsidiary. I recently nonrev'd from FLL-CLE on a legacy UA 757. It's good to see sUA metal back in Florida; they had essentially ceded the entire South Florida market to everyone else.
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:48 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
What does S-UA mean?

I know it is old UA, but what is the s?

We should try to not use abbreviations that aren't well known imo
Quoting sulley (Reply 11):
Subsidiary. I recently nonrev'd from FLL-CLE on a legacy UA 757. It's good to see sUA metal back in Florida; they had essentially ceded the entire South Florida market to everyone else.

S-UA, legacy UA, PMUA, one needs a crib sheet to understand what everyone is saying on here sometimes.   

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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:49 pm

They seem to be mixing things up quite regularly these days - I see plenty of sCO 737s at BOS Term C (i.e. on former UA routes). Was on an sUA 752 EWR-PDX on Monday.

Question - can any flight crew fly any aircraft, assuming they're qualified? For instance can former CO crew fly former UA 757s as they are common to both fleets? Cabin crew seem to be cross-assigned.

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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:55 pm

Quoting Stratacruiser (Reply 13):

Question - can any flight crew fly any aircraft, assuming they're qualified? For instance can former CO crew fly former UA 757s as they are common to both fleets? Cabin crew seem to be cross-assigned.

Presently, there is no crossover amongst sUA/sCO crews, aside from the furloughed sUA pilots who are currently with sCO (mostly 737 FOs). sUA crews won't be able to work sCO flights (or vice versa) until joint collective bargaining agreements are achieved and seniority lists are integrated.

In short, if you were on a former UA bird, it was a former UA crew. There are no exceptions.
 
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:02 pm

All these cross fleeting changes must be in the works for 2 reasons.
1.) there is a difference in seat totals and putting sUA752s on a route provides 182 seats - they can utilize the various seat counts with sUA and SCO aircraft.
2.) Aircraft routings and crew pairings are a factor. As mentioned in the thread, CO used to run a number of TATL aircraft down the east coast prior between international flights. Now, maybe those sCO 752s are weaving into/out of Transcons instead - possibly to upgrade F seating, even though there are 16F vs. 24 F on the sUA 752. Not sure how the sUA 752s are being routed, but probably on turns in and out of EWR on high volume routings.
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:37 am

Quoting Stratacruiser (Reply 13):
Question - can any flight crew fly any aircraft, assuming they're qualified? For instance can former CO crew fly former UA 757s as they are common to both fleets? Cabin crew seem to be cross-assigned.

Nah they can't do that. You can tell in difference in uniforms upon flying both subsidiaries.

However the s-UA EWR flying is indeed somewhat staffed by s-UA JFK crews. They must be loving all the adds.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 15):
2.) Aircraft routings and crew pairings are a factor. As mentioned in the thread, CO used to run a number of TATL aircraft down the east coast prior between international flights. Now, maybe those sCO 752s are weaving into/out of Transcons instead - possibly to upgrade F seating, even though there are 16F vs. 24 F on the sUA 752. Not sure how the sUA 752s are being routed, but probably on turns in and out of EWR on high volume routings.

A good amount of s-CO 757s are now on s-UA routings. EWR-ORD, DEN-LAX, IAD-LAX etc.

The interesting thing is I don't believe UA flew any 757s to PBI until now, from EWR.
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:17 am

Just took a look at my itinerary for BOS-DEN-PHX-IAH-BOS (1485/1482/1661/815) starting this afternoon - three of four flights are "cross-fleet". 1661 is the only excpetion.
 
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:58 am

I flew on a 757 from ORD to PBI in March of 2005 (might have been 2004). So we did fly them to PBI in the past.
 
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:26 pm

I flew EWR-MIA last April on a PMUA 752 (with ch 9 on). Back on an A320. Next March I'm scheduled on a 73G down and 738 back,so???
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:13 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 3):
However recently the sCO 752s have been found on some JFK-SFO/LAX flts

Actually the sCO 752's are only on the JFK/LAX segment...they started this with the SEP schedule adjustment...only 1 flt a day UA161/162
 
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:02 am

Quoting tsnamm (Reply 20):

They were at 2x a day in some cases though.
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:41 am

Just back from Hawaii (HNL and KOA) and I noticed a lot of sCO airplanes where I used to see sUAL metal.
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RE: S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?

Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:30 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
We should try to not use abbreviations that aren't well known imo

Then we should use s and not PM, since s is the actual official abbreviation.

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