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A350-1000 5th Door?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:19 pm

I was watching this video announcing Cathay Pacific's A350-1000 order from a few months ago:

http://videos.airbus.com/video/6907987159ds.html

All the video footage of the plane clearly shows an extra (5th) door on the side of the plane aft of the wing, spaced only a few windows apart from another door.

Is this door something new? I don't recall seeing a 5th door on previous A350-1000 images.
 
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RE: A350-1000 5th Door?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:27 pm

I think thats probably a mistake by who ever made the clip used in the video.

On the Airbus A350 page, all the pictures show the A351 with the standard 4 doors on each side.

http://www.airbus.com/aircraftfamili...raircraft/a350xwbfamily/a350-1000/

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RE: A350-1000 5th Door?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:32 pm

I don't know about the door, but the thing I find most surprising is that Airbus continue to black out the real shape of the cocdkpit windows.

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RE: A350-1000 5th Door?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:32 pm

Nice catch, you are right there is a door directly behind door 3 aft of the wing. I think it is the animation artist that has got it wrong, the 4th door is smaller then the 3rd and the normal 4th door is missing alltogether at the back of the plane, there is only the windows from a door but the door frame is missing. Further, the photo on the wall behind Slosar is having the normal 4 doors. Quite a miss from Airbus   .
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RE: A350-1000 5th Door?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:37 pm

I think is an error on the animation, two doors so close has not logic.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/ai...key-changes-of-a350-1000-over.html
 
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RE: A350-1000 5th Door?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:40 pm

Also, how can the A350-1000 only have 4 doors? Hasn't Airbus learned their lesson from the A340-600?
I am sure they will need a 5th door if they want to certify it to a capacity similar to the 777-300/ER.
 
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RE: A350-1000 5th Door?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:56 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 4):
I think is an error on the animation, two doors so close has not logic.

Well, here's a huge model of the A350-1000 being held up by executives at the same Airbus/Cathay Pacific press conference (2nd photo), and it clearly has the 5th door, too. So it is not just the video footage that shows the extra door.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-order-ends-four-year-drought.html
 
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RE: A350-1000 5th Door?

Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:19 pm

That's the Secret 5th door that "JL" uses after he has taken your money!      
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RE: A350-1000 5th Door?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:59 am

The A350 Exit Limit with four doors is 440, but Airbus does offer an optional fifth door that increases the limit to 475.
 
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RE: A350-1000 5th Door?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:43 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
The A350 Exit Limit with four doors is 440, but Airbus does offer an optional fifth door that increases the limit to 475.

This is correct. It is a problem all long widebodies face. You can get to an exit limit of 475 using 8 type A doors, but architecturally it is difficult to accomplish, and it certainly won't happen in a 9ab airplane. The two issues you are fighting are staying under the max distance between doors 2 and 3, and staying under the maximum number of seats between doors 3 and 4. The inability to solve this problem is what drives the requirement for the 5th "mid cabin" door.

It would not surprise me at all if Airbus is offering this door as an option for high density configurations. The real question is why is this door shown on model of a CX airplane? I have a hard time beliving their layout will require such a door.
 
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RE: A350-1000 5th Door?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:39 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
The A350 Exit Limit with four doors is 440, but Airbus does offer an optional fifth door that increases the limit to 475.

Ok, that make sense for evacuation issues, 475 pax is a lot of people, however in Airbus webpage they said only 350 in 3 class and high density with 440 but then that must be 2 class, in Wikipedia it says that in all economy can carry up to 550 pax.

Quoting CM (Reply 9):
The real question is why is this door shown on model of a CX airplane?

It´s quite surprising actually, but i guess they use the same model plane for everybody and they produce the one with the 5th door.
 
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RE: A350-1000 5th Door?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:02 am

Quoting ord (Reply 6):
Well, here's a huge model of the A350-1000 being held up by executives at the same Airbus/Cathay Pacific press conference (2nd photo), and it clearly has the 5th door, too. So it is not just the video footage that shows the extra door.

And here is a high-res render of the Cathay Pacific A351, without the 5th door :S

http://www.airbus.com/galleries/phot...ilter/a350-xwb-family/cache/0/?p=3
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RE: A350-1000 5th Door?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:31 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 10):
Ok, that make sense for evacuation issues, 475 pax is a lot of people, however in Airbus webpage they said only 350 in 3 class and high density with 440 but then that must be 2 class, in Wikipedia it says that in all economy can carry up to 550 pax.

The Exit Limit per Type A door is 110 passengers, so with 5 doors the maximum number of passengers an A350-1000 could carry is 550, However, I do not believe it has the cabin floorspace to carry that many. So that would be a theoretical limit, not a practical one.
 
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RE: A350-1000 5th Door?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:46 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):
And here is a high-res render of the Cathay Pacific A351, without the 5th door :S

Who cares about doors? What about the fact this aircraft is climbing out so low to the ground in Flaps 0 configuration.
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