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Icelandair To Buy 12-16 New Aircraft Plus Options

Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:15 am

According to an Icelandic business newspaper Icelandair is in the final stages of buying a new aircraft type. It states that the two options are from Boeing or Airbus and presumably the A320NEO or B737MAX series of aircraft. The board is expected to make a decision in the next couple of weeks.

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Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:03 am

I suppose these are not meant as direct replacements for their B757s? Are some destinations such as Seattle or Denver a bit too far?
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:08 am

I could see them ordering 737MAX series aircraft for the European routes and 787's for the long haul routes? Will be a sad day when their 757's go; really nice livery!

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Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:15 am

I think they already had ordered the B787, but cancelled it again. Those frames are now going to Norwegian.

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Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:45 am

They will never ever buy Airbus at least not for longhaul. They're comitted to US products since ever! For european routes maybe. I agree, there 757 look stunning but my favorite was the mighty eight!
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:49 am

Quoting Luxair (Reply 4):
They will never ever buy Airbus at least not for longhaul. They're comitted to US products since ever! For european routes maybe. I agree, there 757 look stunning but my favorite was the mighty eight!

Well, Iceland has started negotiations with the EU for joining the EU since 27 June 2011. An Airbus order could show us some good faith...  

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Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:51 am

Ehhmm I mean "their" 757 look really stunning :p
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:08 pm

@LifelinerOne One can still hope   In fact, i don't have a problem with them ordering Boeings as long as they go for the 748i or the 773 hehehe
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:41 pm

Did FI give all of their B787 purchase rights to Norwegian?

Why did they even do that? Wasn't B787 a perfect replacement for their B757?
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:48 pm

The 737-9 MAX would be the perfect replacement for the Icelandic 757 fleet.
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:39 pm

Quoting Luxair (Reply 7):
@LifelinerOne One can still hope In fact, i don't have a problem with them ordering Boeings as long as they go for the 748i or the 773 hehehe

replacing a 757 with a 747-8 or 777? your kidding right?

you try filling a 777 from KEF to SEA or MSP.

i don't know why those 757s need to be replaced in the first place, but I think the 787 is the logical replacement....
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:43 pm

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 5):
Well, Iceland has started negotiations with the EU for joining the EU since 27 June 2011. An Airbus order could show us some good faith...

As long as politics has nothing do with it.....   
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:52 pm

This will be very interesting as FI's current network relies on the abilities of the 757 that currently have no suitable replacement. Perhaps a special 737-9MAXER is in the works for them  
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:53 pm

Quoting Luxair (Reply 4):
They will never ever buy Airbus at least not for longhaul. They're comitted to US products since ever! For european routes maybe. I agree, there 757 look stunning but my favorite was the mighty eight!

People used to say that about AA too.

Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 11):
As long as politics has nothing do with it.....

Politics always plays a role in aircraft purchases. In some countries more than others.
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:07 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 10):
but I think the 787 is the logical replacement....

FI would not even seasonally be able to support a 787 with decent load factors and yields to any of their destinations. There is a lot of tourism to and from Iceland, but remember Iceland is only a country of 320,000 people. As boring as it is for us a.netters it will be either the MAX or the NEO. Maybe even the C-series, as the range is pretty good.

Quoting Luxair (Reply 4):
They will never ever buy Airbus at least not for longhaul.
Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 11):
As long as politics has nothing do with it.....

I don't see why not. If the NEO has the range/payload capabilities the business case will be strong. With that said my money is on the MAX.
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:07 pm

I think they'll go for the B737-9MAX. Though I'm not sure if this aircraft can replace FI's longest routes.
Just wait and see till they regret the B787 cancel.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):
Politics always plays a role in aircraft purchases. In some countries more than others.

Correct, it might influence the support which France will give for accepting Iceland into the EU though they will never officially say that with these direct words  .

Quoting JU068 (Reply 1):
I suppose these are not meant as direct replacements for their B757s?

Sadly they will need to look into replacing these aircraft anyway soon. Some have the age of over 20 years now. Perhaps a few more B763s might help them meanwhile.

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Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:13 pm

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 14):
With that said my money is on the MAX.

Considering the banking fiasco and the trouble it caused to significant European concerns, coupled with their desperation to enter the EU in the hope of financial stability and monetary back-up, my money goes on an Airbus order.

The 757 has had its day and it's time to move on to more advanced aircraft.
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:32 pm

Based on Iceland's location between North America and Europe, the A321MAX should be able to manage most of Icelandair's routes bar a couple. Would be a much more economical solution although I guess cargo capacity could be an issue.
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:35 pm

Quoting photoshooter (Reply 15):
I think they'll go for the B737-9MAX. Though I'm not sure if this aircraft can replace FI's longest routes.
Just wait and see till they regret the B787 cancel.

Couldn't the 737-7Max with additional wing tanks handle the distance? I know it does not have the seating capacity, but it might be an OK tradeoff having the 737-9MAX and 737-7MAX.
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:38 pm

I like the Icelandair 757's. They may be old but they're still quite comfortable and a great ride. It's amazing how much stuff the flight attendants can bring around during the flight that all fits in the galley's.

At any rate, Icelandair is probably capable of filling larger planes at this point as their numbers keep going up and up and interest in Iceland is on the rise.

However, a bunch of planes pulling up to the KEF terminal much larger than a 757 would be a bit of a cluster. It's already crowded enough as it is.
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:28 pm

Before replying I'll say that I know all of the board members very well and my dad used to be part of the dictatorship of Icelandair Group until a year ago so mst of what I'm saying are facts, not speculations..

Quoting JU068 (Reply 1):
I suppose these are not meant as direct replacements for their B757s? Are some destinations such as Seattle or Denver a bit too far?

No, those are not direct replacements. The 737/320 aircraft would be meant for Euro destinations and maybe YYZ, IAD and some of those smaller East Coast destinations. The newer 757s aren't going anywhere until at least 2020, some of them could even soldier on into the 2030s.

Quoting GCPET (Reply 2):

I could see them ordering 737MAX series aircraft for the European routes and 787's for the long haul routes? Will be a sad day when their 757's go; really nice livery!

787 is WAY too big for FI. They cancelled their order for a reason.

Quoting Luxair (Reply 4):

They will never ever buy Airbus at least not for longhaul. They're comitted to US products since ever! For european routes maybe. I agree, there 757 look stunning but my favorite was the mighty eight!

Why not? 737MAX is not a given at all.

Quoting finnishway (Reply 8):

Did FI give all of their B787 purchase rights to Norwegian?

Why did they even do that? Wasn't B787 a perfect replacement for their B757?

Because the 787 was way too big for all routes but JFK and CPH. No need for it as the 757 is still pretty economical.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):

The 737-9 MAX would be the perfect replacement for the Icelandic 757 fleet.

No. Lacks range for SEA, DEN, MSP, ANC, SFB and could've trouble reaching JFK, IAD in unfavourable winds. Also, FI is likely gonna order 320 321 / 738 739, not only the larger option.

Quoting g500 (Reply 10):
i don't know why those 757s need to be replaced in the first place, but I think the 787 is the logical replacement....

They don't need to be replaced and aren't gonna be until an aircraft which has the same capabilities as the 757 comes into the market.

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 5):
Well, Iceland has started negotiations with the EU for joining the EU since 27 June 2011. An Airbus order could show us some good faith...

FI is privately owned so politics won't have anything to do with their decision. Also, under 30% of the Icelandic population actually wants to join the EU.

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 14):
FI would not even seasonally be able to support a 787 with decent load factors and yields to any of their destinations. There is a lot of tourism to and from Iceland, but remember Iceland is only a country of 320,000 people. As boring as it is for us a.netters it will be either the MAX or the NEO.

Well said and absolutely true. 787 in FI colours would've been a disaster.

Quoting photoshooter (Reply 15):

I think they'll go for the B737-9MAX. Though I'm not sure if this aircraft can replace FI's longest routes.
Just wait and see till they regret the B787 cancel.

They'll never regret the 787 cancel. Never. It was ordered while Iceland was still in the "2007 mood" (spending spending spending to be the best). The economical downturn made Icelanders have a reality check and FI saw quickly that having a plane with 250 seats made absolutely no sense for the airline.

Quoting babybus (Reply 16):
The 757 has had its day and it's time to move on to more advanced aircraft.

Not true at all. It's economics are still fine and are perfect for Icelandair.

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Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:32 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 16):
Considering the banking fiasco and the trouble it caused to significant European concerns....my money goes on an Airbus order.

Iceland screwed over the US financial system a fair bit, so they owe us, as well.

Solution? Order the 737-8 and the A321-200neo.  
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:44 pm

They will go with Boeing. I can feel it in my bones!
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
The 737-9 MAX would be the perfect replacement for the Icelandic 757 fleet.

I think they'll go for the A320NEO because the B737MAX needs a very long runway to take-off from at MTOW, a runway that is longer than the one at KEF. Furthermore a lot of their destinations have even shorter runways than KEF. They would want to use MTOW in order to get the kind of range that would make this plane a reasonable plane on the North- Atlantic. This is why I think they would go for the A320NEO. It doesn't suffer from this same problem.
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:14 pm

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 23):
I think they'll go for the A320NEO because the B737MAX needs a very long runway to take-off from at MTOW, a runway that is longer than the one at KEF.

Not true, KEF was even used as a space shuttle airport once or twice.

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 23):
Furthermore a lot of their destinations have even shorter runways than KEF.

That's absolutely true and if FI does what it's planning to do, opening some airports such as Trondheim in Norway than 320 would be better.

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 23):
They would want to use MTOW in order to get the kind of range that would make this plane a reasonable plane on the North- Atlantic. This is why I think they would go for the A320NEO. It doesn't suffer from this same problem.

Again, it's not likely that those planes will be used to N-America (except maybe Halifax).

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Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:14 pm

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 20):
They'll never regret the 787 cancel. Never. It was ordered while Iceland was still in the "2007 mood" (spending spending spending to be the best). The economical downturn made Icelanders have a reality check and FI saw quickly that having a plane with 250 seats made absolutely no sense for the airline.

I understand but I hope you agree with me that in the Aviation industry, you always need to look forward. And FI's future looks good, I'm sure your friends/board members can confirm that. Geographically, they are the perfect place to change flight and head towards a different continent. So eventually, they will regret it some way or another.



Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 20):
Because the 787 was way too big for all routes but JFK and CPH. No need for it as the 757 is still pretty economical.

What about the B767 they have right now...Sounds like it could be too big as well.

Quoting FI642 (Reply 22):
They will go with Boeing. I can feel it in my bones!

Yes, I've got this feeling they will indeed. I also wonder if it isn't cheaper for maintenance to stick with the same aircraft manufacturer and or same aircraft type....   

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Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:18 pm

Quoting photoshooter (Reply 25):
I understand but I hope you agree with me that in the Aviation industry, you always need to look forward.

Yes, I totally agree. The 787 would've just been too big a step from the 757. If a 762-sized widebody with better economics would come out today, that would have a much better chance for FI.  
Quoting photoshooter (Reply 25):
What about the B767 they have right now...Sounds like it could be too big as well.

Yes it is too big. And because of that ALL of their 767s are leased out all around the world. 3 in Papua New Guinea flying for Air Niugini, 2 in Venezuela flying for SBA etc.
They tried using the 763 to BOS, JFK, CPH and LHR along with the new service to SFO. Apart from JFK, all flopped big. The San Fran flight was a complete disaster.

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Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 26):
Yes it is too big. And because of that ALL of their 767s are leased out all around the world. 3 in Papua New Guinea flying for Air Niugini, 2 in Venezuela flying for SBA etc.
They tried using the 763 to BOS, JFK, CPH and LHR along with the new service to SFO. Apart from JFK, all flopped big. The San Fran flight was a complete disaster.

If they can make a profit out of this, I can only support this!
Thanks for adding the useful and interesting information, FI sure is high on my 'to-fly' list.

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Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:24 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 16):
Considering the banking fiasco and the trouble it caused to significant European concerns, coupled with their desperation to enter the EU in the hope of financial stability and monetary back-up, my money goes on an Airbus order.

So what? Icelandair is a business and is not state owned. It has no obligation to help Iceland get into the Euro. Any decision on aircraft will be purely based on economics, not political. And besides, I doubt an order for a dozen airbuses will make any difference to their Euro bid. If they do go for the NEO, it will be because they are the right plane for their needs and for a good price.
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:31 pm

But with more destinations in Europe served by more smaller planes, wouldn't that increase the connecting traffic at KEF for their N.America destinations, and thus require larger planes? Isn't that FI's main business model in the N.Atlantic, to connect Europe to N.America? Sure he 787 is too big today but once they grow their European network the next logical step would be to grow N.America. The question is, will they chose to grow existing cities or expand to more cities?
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:38 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 30):

But with more destinations in Europe served by more smaller planes, wouldn't that increase the connecting traffic at KEF for their N.America destinations, and thus require larger planes? Isn't that FI's main business model in the N.Atlantic, to connect Europe to N.America? Sure he 787 is too big today but once they grow their European network the next logical step would be to grow N.America. The question is, will they chose to grow existing cities or expand to more cities?

Hmm, good point. Maybe in a few years this could be right and the 787 will not be too big. The question is though, what cities with enough demand inside 3hr range from KEF are yet to be served? Not too many I think. Maybe some smaller Norwegian and Danish cities along with BRU could be made year-round instead of seasonal but after that, there aren't many left.

Reason for 3hr is that for a flight to be able to connect to the USA via KEF, it must be able to depart KEF at around 8am and arrive back in KEF around 3pm. Same goes for US destinations, the plane must be able to depart 5pm and arrive back 6am the next morning. Because of this SEA, SFB, DEN and ANC all get 20-23hr layovers.

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Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:45 pm

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 24):
Not true, KEF was even used as a space shuttle airport once or twice.

I know that KEF has a relatively long runway, that's true. However it is only 10,056 feet. The B737-8/9 MAX seem to need well over 11,000 feet to take-off from at MTOW. Most airlines won't need MTOW though but Icelandair will. Take a look at this article and the discussion:


From Air Insight:

"As an example, according to Boeing, a B737-8MAX will be unable to take off from Minneapolis at MTOW. Minneapolis is at 800 ft but its longest runway is 11,000 ft. This makes you wonder about the -9MAX. Will it need 11-12,000+ ft at sea level? The -900ER already needs almost 10,000ft at sea level on a standard day.”"

http://airinsight.com/2012/08/22/assessing-the-max-story/

Questionable B737MAX Field Performance (by eaa3 Aug 22 2012 in Tech Ops)

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 31):
Hmm, good point. Maybe in a few years this could be right and the 787 will not be too big. The question is though, what cities with enough demand inside 3hr range from KEF are yet to be served? Not too many I think. Maybe some smaller Norwegian and Danish cities along with BRU could be made year-round instead of seasonal but after that, there aren't many left.

Eventually they will have to add another transfer time, they do this in the summer, and with two transfer times they can go further into Europe because you can have flights that are part of two different transfer times. For example you can have the same setup as in summer and have European bound flights that take passangers from the North American flights arriving at around midnight but then you could have those flights arrive back in Iceland at around 2pm for the afternoon departure for North America. Therefore by using two differnt banks to North America you can have 12 hours for flights to Europe and therefore go considerably further.

[Edited 2012-12-03 08:52:49]
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:49 pm

So what routes might see these smaller aircraft? Are there any routes out there that might lose their 757 once these planes are delivered?

Also, when would these planes be delivered?
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:54 pm

If smaller planes come to the fleet, I wouldn't be surprised to see more daily frequencies from Boston and Kennedy and the 757's go elsewhere.
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:35 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 33):

If smaller planes come to the fleet, I wouldn't be surprised to see more daily frequencies from Boston and Kennedy and the 757's go elsewhere.

FI used to have some 737's they used to some European destinations and I think to one Canadian destination. Are these possibly for growth, or will they lease some of them out like the 738 order? Hmmm..
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:42 pm

It seems to me that Icelandair could benefit from larger aircraft though such as the B787. As they continue to grow they should be able to fill a B787 to New York, Boston and maybe some other places. Keep in mind that they didn´t fly to Washington, Denver and Seattle up until a couple of months ago and they are able to fill those planes. So it seems that when they add more capacity they are able to fill it up with more passengers. I don´t think though that a B787 will be a part of this order.
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:44 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 33):

I doubt Kennedy would get the smaller plane since it was mentioned earlier that it was one of few routes that could handle a plane larger than the 752.
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:46 pm

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 24):
Not true, KEF was even used as a space shuttle airport once or twice.

When was that? I can´t find any evidence that the space shuttle ever made an emergency landing at KEF, or that KEF was designated as an official abort site. If a space shuttle ever landed there it was on the back of a 747 carrier aircraft at the time, possibly a fuel stop en route to/from one of its early appearances at airshows in Europe?
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:51 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 37):
When was that? I can´t find any evidence that the space shuttle ever made an emergency landing at KEF, or that KEF was designated as an official abort site. If a space shuttle ever landed there it was on the back of a 747 carrier aircraft at the time, possibly a fuel stop en route to/from one of its early appearances at airshows in Europe?

It was never used as a space shuttle landing site. However it was at one time on the list of airports where the shuttle would go in an emergency. But there were lot´s of airports that had that designation. This was because KEF was a navy base once.
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:08 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 36):

What I'm saying is that I wouldn't be surprised to see more frequencies added from JFK and Boston.
Boston's looking to go 3 daily next summer. JFK may follow suit. Toronto may likely end up going year around next year.
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:22 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 39):

Oh ok, then we agree. It would be wise to add frequencies with smaller planes.
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:34 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 37):
When was that? I can´t find any evidence that the space shuttle ever made an emergency landing at KEF, or that KEF was designated as an official abort site. If a space shuttle ever landed there it was on the back of a 747 carrier aircraft at the time, possibly a fuel stop en route to/from one of its early appearances at airshows in Europe?
http://stjornuskodun.blog.is/blog/stjornuskodun/entry/1235015/

Yes, it was a fuel stop. I think I saw it somewhere that it was an official abort site. Maybe I remember it wrong though.  

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Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:38 pm

Quoting GCPET (Reply 2):
I could see them ordering 737MAX series aircraft for the European routes and 787's for the long haul routes? Will be a sad day when their 757's go; really nice livery!

Definitely, they still have one of the nicer ones! Will be sad when they all leave!

They worked things well having one aircraft type for the last few years and best of luck to them!

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RE: Icelandair To Buy 12-16 New Aircraft Plus Options

Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:45 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
The 737-9 MAX would be the perfect replacement for the Icelandic 757 fleet.

Unfortunately, the 757's performance abilities cannot be replaced by the 739ER. I was shocked to see that the 739ER NEEDS over 10,000 ft of runway on a good day for max take-off, and the 757's blow that away.

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RE: Icelandair To Buy 12-16 New Aircraft Plus Options

Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:44 am

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 5):
Well, Iceland has started negotiations with the EU for joining the EU since 27 June 2011. An Airbus order could show us some good faith...

What does that have to do with anything FI does for their fleet? If they order Boeings, they won't be allowed into the EU? There are several airlines within the EU now that fly Boeings.

Quoting photoshooter (Reply 15):
I think they'll go for the B737-9MAX. Though I'm not sure if this aircraft can replace FI's longest routes.
Just wait and see till they regret the B787 cancel.

Why? If they want that sized airplane they can always order the B-767-300ER, or pick up a few used copies. FI's longest route is KEF-SEA, a total of 3150 nm, within the range of the B-737-9MAX.

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 18):
Couldn't the 737-7Max with additional wing tanks handle the distance? I know it does not have the seating capacity, but it might be an OK tradeoff having the 737-9MAX and 737-7MAX.

If they want a smaller airplane, the B-737-7MAX would be good for them, but the B-737-8MAX and B-737-9MAX can already handle their longest ranged mission.

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 20):
Lacks range for SEA, DEN, MSP, ANC, SFB

Nope.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):
Solution? Order the 737-8 and the A321-200neo.

Why would they do that? Either order the MAX or the NEO, but not both.

Years ago, FI used to fly a B-727-200ADV on their BOS and JFK routes.

I am sure if FI wanted the B-767-300ER, or -400ER, Boeing would give then a very good price just to keep them an all Boeing airline. A B-763/4 would open up California and Arizona to them, as well as other long range cities they may want to fly to in the future (South America, Africa, ME, Eastern Russia, Japan, etc.).
 
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RE: Icelandair To Buy 12-16 New Aircraft Plus Options

Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:51 am

I cannot wait to see the Icelandair livery on another a/c type. I just hope they don't change it or at least do not get rid of the yellow!
 
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Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:14 am

This could go either way but my money is on the A321neo due to its higher capacity.
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RE: Icelandair To Buy 12-16 New Aircraft Plus Options

Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:46 am

Quoting FI642 (Reply 34):
FI used to have some 737's they used to some European destinations and I think to one Canadian destination.

Before they went "all 757" they had a mixed fleet of 737-400 and 757-200. But that is many years ago.

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I agree, there 757 look stunning but my favorite was the mighty eight!

Yeah, they were great. But that's a very long time ago, some 30-40 years.

I flew on those DC-8-63 CPH-KEF several times in the late 70'es.

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They're comitted to US products since ever!

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RE: Icelandair To Buy 12-16 New Aircraft Plus Options

Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:56 pm

I think they would be best served with 321NEOs and increased frequencies and more destinations in the US and Canada. Cabin something akin to what AA is doing with its 321 TCON. Less premium heavy. I'm thinking 24 lie flat J in 2-2. And 18-20 rows of Y (dependent on what pitch they want to offer and onboard facilities needed like lavs).

And then E190/195 or CS100 or something equivalently small for Europe.

They have a really strong opportunity if they could somehow get pre-clearance and target some secondary airports in the USA like BUF, BDL, BWI, MEM, MHT. Sounds unconventional. But it would make them the EK of the North Atlantic. Strong network effects, driving traffic from lots of secondary airports. Places that don't usually get international service. And even then only to a few European destinations.

Even more valuable an idea if they get into the EU. Imagine a place with EU Customs and US preclearance. Amazing transit point.
 
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RE: Icelandair To Buy 12-16 New Aircraft Plus Options

Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:11 pm

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 30):
Reason for 3hr is that for a flight to be able to connect to the USA via KEF, it must be able to depart KEF at around 8am and arrive back in KEF around 3pm. Same goes for US destinations, the plane must be able to depart 5pm and arrive back 6am the next morning.

The fact that they are planning to buy more aircraft and talking expansion tells me that they are looking at breaking that model or at least change it slightly.

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 31):
Eventually they will have to add another transfer time, they do this in the summer

That may not be viable outside of peak Summer months when Iceland itself has tourism demand. Outside of Summer I can't see more than 1 main connecting bank. Poor aircraft utilization is, unfortunately a inherent feature for an airline located in Iceland.

Quoting stlgph (Reply 33):
If smaller planes come to the fleet, I wouldn't be surprised to see more daily frequencies from Boston and Kennedy and the 757's go elsewhere.

More frequencies may work in the peak Summer months but then what do you do with the aircraft for the other 9 months of the year? Frequency is not a good business model for FI, IMO. They need to grow by serving more cities, not by increasing frequencies to existing cities. A bigger network should increase demand for some destinations and that may lead to larger aicraft.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 44):
What does that have to do with anything FI does for their fleet?

A lot. How many EU flag carriers do you know operating 737 fleets and no A320's? Very few. I can only think of 1: LOT. And that's because they had a 737 fleet prior to joining the EU.