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Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:24 am

Per GDS, Transaero will launch non-stop service from Moscow Vnukovo to both Miami and Los Angeles this spring.

Twice weekly LAXVKO service will begin on 30 March 2013. LAXDME will be discontinued.

Weekly MIAVKO service begins 6 April 2013. MIADME service will be maintained at once weekly.

All VKO-U.S. flights will operate with 747-400.
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:05 am

Is this the service that Transaero had originally planned with a stopover at SNN on route?

[Edited 2012-12-04 00:16:01]
Airports: SNN GWY NOC DUB ORK BOS EWR JFK ORD MCI BOI SEA LHR STN CDG LYS FAO GVA HKG MEL ADL HBA
 
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Thread starter):
Per GDS, Transaero will launch non-stop service from Moscow Vnukovo to both Miami and Los Angeles this spring.

add to the list VKO-YYZ, VKO-EVN, VKO-FRA.

http://airlineroute.net/2012/12/04/un-vko-s13/

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 1):

Is this the service that Transaero had originally planned with a stopover at SNN on route?

No.

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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:29 pm

didnt follow developments for a while. is transaero moving operations to VKO? or just part of it?
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:45 pm

Huge traffic LAX-EVN via VKO. Big Armenian diaspora in California.
 
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:14 pm

Quoting macc (Reply 3):
didnt follow developments for a while. is transaero moving operations to VKO? or just part of it?

I think its a mess.

Transaero was established at Sheremetyevo, but for commercial reasons moved much of its scheduled flying to Domodedovo. Now as its not being given any more space and its having to shift flights to Vnukovo.

It looks like the government is setting up SVO for Skyteam, DME for Star and OW, and VKO by others.

Transaero however seems to be indeed resigned on Vnukovo as I saw news a few months back they would be building a maintenance base there with hangars that could fit up to A380s.
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:27 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
and VKO by others.

Isn't Vnukovo kind of becoming a Star Alliance fortress with airlines like Lufthansa, Austrian Airlines and Turkish Airlines adding/moving flights there?
 
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:01 pm

I was under the impression that San Francisco had a larger population of Russians (or U.S citizens of Russsian heritage).

Why LAX when Aeroflot already flies the route and not SFO?
 
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:06 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 7):
I was under the impression that San Francisco had a larger population of Russians (or U.S citizens of Russsian heritage).

Why LAX when Aeroflot already flies the route and not SFO?

UN has plans to fly to SFO; but the largest Russian communties in the U.S. are New York, LA and Miami.
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:56 pm

Of the 3 Airports SVO, DME and VKO, which is the most conveinent to get into Moscow proper?

With Various routes switching over to VKO and upgaging to a 744, will this allow for the proposed SFO service to go forward with a 777 and use DME and why DME instead of VKO?
 
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:06 pm

Quoting legacyins (Reply 9):
Of the 3 Airports SVO, DME and VKO, which is the most conveinent to get into Moscow proper

Depends from where in Moscow you want to get to. Its a very big city.

All three are about 30km from the city center technically.

Sheremetyevo is to the northwest
Vnukovo is to the southwest
Domodedovo is to the southeast

All three airports have rail links to differing stations in town.

For facilities, personally I took DME to be the much better place - closer to global standards compared to dumpy SVO facilities. (never seen the new SU terminal at SVO). Never been to VKO.
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:50 pm

Does anyone know how SU is doing on the Miami route? Mark do you know if its only seasonal, because it does not seem to go beyond March 2013.
 
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:33 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 11):
Does anyone know how SU is doing on the Miami route? Mark do you know if its only seasonal, because it does not seem to go beyond March 2013.

Your question was answered in the opening post:

Quoting mah4546 (Thread starter):

Weekly MIAVKO service begins 6 April 2013. MIADME service will be maintained at once weekly.
 
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:03 pm

I think these 747s were being refurbished here at my home town airport, MLB! Good luck on the new route!
 
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:39 pm

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 12):

Actually it was not. All Mark talked about was UN, not a word about SU and MIA.
 
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):
UN has plans to fly to SFO; but the largest Russian communties in the U.S. are New York, LA and Miami.

SFO, though, is really the true hub for Russian-Americans of the West Coast, not only geographically(altough it is that, too), but also a larger variety of Russian regions where these people are connected to. L.A. Russians mostly have some connection with Moscow, and not so much other places, at least from my experiences with L.A. Russians. Whereas S.F. has more of a spread of people from all over various regions of Russia. Plus, Chinese and Italians easily outnumber Russians in the city of San Francisco...but that's about it......it's one of the top ethnic groups there.

And recent immigrants(last 20 years or so)figure into the L.A. makeup more, whereas S.F., percentage-wise, have more people that have moved there pre-Stalin or even pre-Lenin, and a longstanding sense of community,

There's also the "invisibility" factor, due to the fact that L.A. is spread out, and not compact like SF is. Much like LA Greeks, there are probably more than the rest of the state combined......you really just don't notice it initially. You say, "yeah right" skeptically, until you see the statistics. I used to think SF had the most., too.....it's easy to assume that, given these scenerios......

Here in Seattle, it of course it is a bit more extreme, by the way.........it's mostly either Far East or Moscow, and very little in between.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
For facilities, personally I took DME to be the much better place - closer to global standards compared to dumpy SVO facilities. (never seen the new SU terminal at SVO). Never been to VKO.

From what I understand, SVO has among the highest employee theft rate of airports worldwide.
 
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:48 pm

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 15):
There's also the "invisibility" factor, due to the fact that L.A. is spread out, and not compact like SF is. Much like LA Greeks, there are probably more than the rest of the state combined......

There is no invisibility factor of Russians in Los Angeles. While there are obviously Russians spread out everywhere, North Hollywood is "the" Russian community.

Although in general I don't disagree with your sentiment - the more compact nature of San Fran creates more pronounced and tighter knit foreign communities even when they are typically dwarfed by the same community in Los Angeles.
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:29 pm

Hey Mark do you know what loads are on the Miami SU flight are and if it has good yields? Also were do most of Miamis russians live?
 
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:47 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 16):
There is no invisibility factor of Russians in Los Angeles. While there are obviously Russians spread out everywhere, North Hollywood is "the" Russian community.

Although in general I don't disagree with your sentiment - the more compact nature of San Fran creates more pronounced and tighter knit foreign communities even when they are typically dwarfed by the same community in Los Angeles.

I never go that part of LA when I'm down in that direction. Which can explain some of this, and really owe it to myself to go to North Hollywood next time I visit.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 17):
Hey Mark do you know what loads are on the Miami SU flight are and if it has good yields? Also were do most of Miamis russians live?

I'd like to know that, too. And also curious of how many connections to Minsk(MSQ) are off that flight.

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 4):
Huge traffic LAX-EVN via VKO. Big Armenian diaspora in California.

Not just LAX locals, either....there is SAN, SFO, and especially FAT.
 
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:08 pm

Very interesting. I wonder how the connection aspect will work. A lot of the YYZ traffic connects to ALA or TLV. Would they be bussed there now? Makes it a big inconvenience especially with the gridlock and the MKAD. It would make more sense to just move the point to point flights over to VNK...
 
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:40 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 17):
Hey Mark do you know what loads are on the Miami SU flight are and if it has good yields? Also were do most of Miamis russians live?

I don't know, the route just started.

Most Russians in Miami live in the Little Moscow area of Sunny Isles Beach.

Quoting yyzala (Reply 19):
Very interesting. I wonder how the connection aspect will work. A lot of the YYZ traffic connects to ALA or TLV. Would they be bussed there now? Makes it a big inconvenience especially with the gridlock and the MKAD. It would make more sense to just move the point to point flights over to VNK...

Both Almaty and Tel Aviv are also served from VKO.


Also, the Miami flight schedule is now showing like this throughout the summer timetable in GDS:

Wednesdays operates VKO-MIA-DME.
Saturdays operate VKO-MIA-VKO.

No DME-MIA flights; only MIA-DME. Odd.
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:06 pm

Do you know if SU will operate in mia during the summer season? They only go up till march so far.
 
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:21 pm

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 18):
Quoting AirGabon (Reply 4):
Huge traffic LAX-EVN via VKO. Big Armenian diaspora in California.

Not just LAX locals, either....there is SAN, SFO, and especially FAT.

How specific is that traffic flow via VKO? That would seem odd as VKO hasn't been much of an intercontinental or international airport. Yerevan is well-served from all three Moscow airports, and Europe. When I went there it was through Munich in one direction and Vienna in another.
 
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:44 pm

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 13):

They indeed are being refurbished by Mid airr at MLB and RME.

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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:06 am

I doubt Transaero gets much transit traffic to its DME hub at least from North America. All the North American flights are poorly timed for connections so I doubt this move to VKO will change much in that respect.

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 18):

Actually the SU flight to MIA is well timed for connections to Minsk. But in the end LH offers flights to Minsk from its FRA hub so I doubt most people in Miami would want to backtrack to SVO for connections onto Minsk.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:16 am

Quoting miaintl (Reply 24):
I doubt Transaero gets much transit traffic to its DME hub at least from North America. All the North American flights are poorly timed for connections so I doubt this move to VKO will change much in that respect.

More importantly, aren't there still Russian visa requirements that make transiting there a pain in the ass, not unlike some of America's policies?
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:26 am

Quoting luckyone (Reply 22):
That would seem odd as VKO hasn't been much of an intercontinental or international airport.

While it hasn't necessarily been a full on international gateway in the past, VKO is in the middle of a really grand revamp. With new terminals and convenient airport layouts, it's definitely standing in line to become a very successful third major international airport for Moscow (the domestic success has been seen for quite some time). Germanwings, Lufthansa and Turkish are just a few paving the way for more expansion to come.

As far as convenience for pax, everyone will have a different take on their preferences between SVO, DME and VKO. Moscow is a very huge city and the time it takes to get to the airport really matters for some. For instance, my Moscow apartment is in the southwest of the city. Usually, flying SkyTeam is priority for me, so I've chosen SVO as my hub in the past. But recently, I've been flying a lot of United and Lufthansa. So when pricing out flights from SFO to Moscow on LH, they give me great connecting options to both DME and VKO. Since VKO serves the southwest region so conveniently, this is a no-brainer winner (cutting my driving time significantly - and after a long-haul trek from SFO, that makes all the difference).

Quoting miaintl (Reply 24):
But in the end LH offers flights to Minsk from its FRA hub so I doubt most people in Miami would want to backtrack to SVO for connections onto Minsk.

Aeroflot prices aggressively, especially from Miami. The flight from Moscow to Minsk is scheduled at 1:25 (including ground operations). I would hardly call that a backtrack, even if it takes slightly longer to get there. Money talks in this case, the quick hop to Minsk can be done efficiently from both. Not to mention that the majority of the demographic flying this route will have no problem connecting in Moscow  
 
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:06 am

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 26):

Do you know how the Miami flight is preforming? Also is it only a seasonal flight because I know SU flies seasonally to many holiday destinations.
 
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:31 am

The musical chairs played by carriers in the last decade in Moscow has been interesting to watch.

Many have moved to DME from SVO, only to now see shiny new facilities at VKO and moved there.

For those carriers with split operations, it will be interesting to watch if that will continue and if it does, what the main operational airport will be for them.
 
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:51 pm

JFK is transferring to Vnukovo now also.

Effective March 31st the 3x weekly DME-JFK flight will move over to VKU.

Looks like basically VKU will be base for all of UN's North America destinations now.
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:58 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 29):
JFK is transferring to Vnukovo now also.

Effective March 31st the 3x weekly DME-JFK flight will move over to VKU.

Looks like basically VKU will be base for all of UN's North America destinations now.

Not quite. Because LAX will be staying at DME with this change. And MIA will be served from both - DME on Wednesdays and VKO on Saturdays.
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:30 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 25):
More importantly, aren't there still Russian visa requirements that make transiting there a pain in the ass, not unlike some of America's policies?

Used to be a bigger problem than it is now. I had a trip via DME disrupted due to this issue in 2001. I think that the three major Moscow airports now allow for visa-free transit. You have to remain airside, and you need an onward ticket for a flight departing within 24 hours of your arrival. The last time I looked into it (about a year ago) the US State Department still recommended getting a transit visa anyway, as there is sometimes uncertainty about what happens when flights are cancelled, delayed, or depart from different terminals. There are several trip reports that describe transits via SVO and I think a few from DME too. It seems that the airside transfer works well in most cases, but there are some exceptions.
 
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RE: Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA

Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:32 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 20):
Most Russians in Miami live in the Little Moscow area of Sunny Isles Beach.

The "rich" ones do. I think the majority of them live in Hallandale Beach, and city. Some more spread out in Aventura, North Miami Beach, and Hollywood. My Russian in-laws live in Hallandale Beach.

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