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Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:18 am

I was just looking at this picture and hoping that it shows personal air vents on the 787, can anyone confirm?
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Unite...Boeing-787-8-Dreamliner/2195492/L/

I'm very interested to know, as I will be flying this plane with UA for years to come. Also, what are other 787 operators opting to do with air vents? It is my understanding that the 787 is the first not to use bleed air, how does that effect this?
 
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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:22 am

UA 787 's do have air vents. They are the same style as the ones installed on the 737's with the Sky Interior.
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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:27 am

Yes. There are personal air vents.

[Edited 2012-12-05 16:28:07]
 
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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:29 am

That is great news! It is so hard to know sometimes, I wish SeatGuru would list this for widebodies, along with seat pitch and other useful info. I am always hot, and now that airlines are taking away blankets, I feel like they are turning up the heat to compensate.
 
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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:37 am

Otherwise called "gasper valves." For some reason, many non-US carriers choose to delete them...the cabin still gets air, though, just not from a little hose you can aim/adjust yourself  
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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:29 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
For some reason, many non-US carriers choose to delete them...

Some US carriers choose to delete them on some planes as well. None of AA's 767-300ERs have gasper valves.
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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:01 am

I always feel uncomfortable when there aren't personal vents. Psychological maybe, but the effect on me as a passenger is real!
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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:12 am

Quoting cosyr (Thread starter):

I was just looking at this picture and hoping that it shows personal air vents on the 787, can anyone confirm?

Here they are the video. I was opening and closing them. It can be seen at :45 seconds into the video.
http://youtu.be/nXpBKpEE4KY

I love that they put them in the 787s. CO 777s and 767s don't have personal air vents.
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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:45 am

I know PMUA did have them on their 777's, do they on their PMUA 747's and 767's?
 
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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:55 am

Quoting cosyr (Reply 8):
I know PMUA did have them on their 777's, do they on their PMUA 747's and 767's?

yes....all PMUA aircraft have gaspers...
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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:53 am

The air vents/gaspers on the 787 only can open or close no directional control on them.
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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:43 pm

Quoting cosyr (Reply 3):
That is great news! It is so hard to know sometimes, I wish SeatGuru would list this for widebodies, along with seat pitch and other useful info. I am always hot, and now that airlines are taking away blankets, I feel like they are turning up the heat to compensate.

Totally agree with you there, I can't stand being in a hot aircraft with no moving air. Probably a mental thing but I definitely feel much more comfortable with individual air vents.
While the 787 is a bit more cramped than the UA 777 in Y (since they're both 3-3-3) it was at least as comfortable as any other aircraft in the UA fleet.
 
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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:51 pm

It's generally very difficult to reach the adjustable air vents on widebodies, due to the size of the overhead bins, which reach out right over the seating. On the MH A380 the other day, from the aisle seats nearest the window, it would be impossible to reach the air vents (which are right by the window seat) without leaning right across the other passengers!
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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:10 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 10):
The air vents/gaspers on the 787 only can open or close no directional control on them.

  

I flew on UA 788 N20904 last Sunday and turned both the window and middle seat gaspers to face me. You just have to push up on one of the bits between the turnign knobs.
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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:11 pm

If you'll look, the air vents are there, the Air conditioning system is Electrically powered rather than Bleed air powered.
you'd never notice the difference, By Not bleeding air from the engine? The Engine Power at takeoff might be maintained for a LOT more than the Std 5 minutes before throttling back to climb power PLUS reducing Specific Fuel consumption for longer range Cruise. Each engine Carries 2 ea 90KVA generators so with 6 of those "bad boys" on the airplane and 4 running at any one time in flight?? You could with that power light up the town where I live, Schaumburg IL. This is a remarkable airplane. Something I'm sure will be followed up on By Airbus in the future. They didn't have time or research to go with an all electric A350 since it was a "response" airplane TO the B787. But I can sure bet that if the B787's all electric Architecture proves reliable? You might very WELL see an A360 with it on board. Especially if Boeing decides to re-design the B777 into the B797.
 
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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:32 pm

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 14):
If you'll look, the air vents are there, the Air conditioning system is Electrically powered rather than Bleed air powered.
you'd never notice the difference, By Not bleeding air from the engine? The Engine Power at takeoff might be maintained for a LOT more than the Std 5 minutes before throttling back to climb power PLUS reducing Specific Fuel consumption for longer range Cruise. Each engine Carries 2 ea 90KVA generators so with 6 of those "bad boys" on the airplane and 4 running at any one time in flight?? You could with that power light up the town where I live, Schaumburg IL. This is a remarkable airplane. Something I'm sure will be followed up on By Airbus in the future. They didn't have time or research to go with an all electric A350 since it was a "response" airplane TO the B787. But I can sure bet that if the B787's all electric Architecture proves reliable? You might very WELL see an A360 with it on board. Especially if Boeing decides to re-design the B777 into the B797.
Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 14):
If you'll look, the air vents are there, the Air conditioning system is Electrically powered rather than Bleed air powered.
you'd never notice the difference, By Not bleeding air from the engine? The Engine Power at takeoff might be maintained for a LOT more than the Std 5 minutes before throttling back to climb power PLUS reducing Specific Fuel consumption for longer range Cruise. Each engine Carries 2 ea 90KVA generators so with 6 of those "bad boys" on the airplane and 4 running at any one time in flight?? You could with that power light up the town where I live, Schaumburg IL. This is a remarkable airplane. Something I'm sure will be followed up on By Airbus in the future. They didn't have time or research to go with an all electric A350 since it was a "response" airplane TO the B787. But I can sure bet that if the B787's all electric Architecture proves reliable? You might very WELL see an A360 with it on board. Especially if Boeing decides to re-design the B777 into the B797.

You are totally correct. I got to spend over an hour with the Boeing Engineers at DCA on the 787. I was blown away by what the plane is capable of..
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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:45 pm

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 14):
Each engine Carries 2 ea 90KVA generators so with 6 of those "bad boys" on the airplane and 4 running at any one time in flight??

It's actually two 250KVA generators per engine, and two 225KVA generators on the APU. So a 787 running wide open can generate 1.45MW, although it will only ever use 1MW at any given time.

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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:18 pm

Some of the passengers were a little confused by the gasper valves, particularly when they are closed as they are not very distinctive looking, with just four slightly raised ridges to rotate the outer disc. They seemed to direct air just as well as traditional nozzles.

I was on a 787 flight that went through all three of UA's delivered aircraft last Saturday, IAH-LAX. The first went mechanical with a cargo door problem. A second did not have a crew and I saw a mechanic climb into the avionics bay. The third arrived from SFO and was apparently supposed to overnight at IAH but it got sent to LAX.

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 6):
I always feel uncomfortable when there aren't personal vents. Psychological maybe, but the effect on me as a passenger is real!

It is not psychological. I was sweating on an LH 744 all the way to FRA, which lacks personal air vents. Just the additional air circulation would have helped. It was one of the few times I would have preferred a UA 744. A UA 772 would have been luxurious in comparison.
 
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RE: Air Vents On UA's 787's

Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:05 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
just not from a little hose you can aim/adjust yourself
Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 10):
The air vents/gaspers on the 787 only can open or close no directional control on them.

This is a very handy trick to get people not to recline their seats... if they do, just point them forward enough to blast the person's head in front of you and guaranteed they will put their seat back upright. For the record, I never recline my seat... =)
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