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MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:33 am

Heard that Malaysia Airlines plans to retire its entire B 747-400 fleet. Is this confirmed? If yes when will the last flight be?
 
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:38 am

Yes.

There are no 744s on the schedule after December 1st per MH timetable.

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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:06 am

Doubt they will be back in service again I suppose?

Already gone? Geeeez.

So they have ordered 6 A380s altogether. Will they order more? I think they need up to 8-10 to fully replace the B 747-400 fleet.
 
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:13 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
There are no 744s on the schedule after December 1st per MH timetable.


Incorrect. MH keeps operating a single daily B744 rotation as MH123/122 KUL SYD KUL through February 2013. Last service currently planned as MH122 SYD KUL on March 01. Four frames have all been fairly recently deployed on this sole remaining route: 9M-MPK/L/M/P.
 
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:35 am

I don't have the informational on hand, but i read from a source that Malaysian Airlines have just recently ordered 6 A380-800s which brings its total A380 order to 12 aircrafts with 4 already delivered.
 
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:49 am

Quoting psimpson (Reply 4):

That is an error... The correct information is MH have secured finance for the purchase of the 6 x A380's already on order...

As for the B744 replacement the B772's are stepping into the role while the A380's are deployed on the European routes...

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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:41 pm

Loved the 747 painted in RED. I will miss the Red Lobster, my name for it.
 
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:50 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):

Loved the 747 painted in RED. I will miss the Red Lobster, my name for it.

That were two fantastic planes indeed. But Lobster? That was a Hibiscus flower if I remember right.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
As for the B744 replacement the B772's are stepping into the role while the A380's are deployed on the European routes...

With the announcement of the phasing out of the 744s MH also announced that the 777s will be retired soon. Was it 2015?
 
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:36 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
Incorrect. MH keeps operating a single daily B744 rotation as MH123/122 KUL SYD KUL through February 2013.

GDS shows EQV, not a 744 specifically, so yes it would be correct to say that no 744 are shown on the scheduled.

But ultimately, does not matter much as the type is as good as dead at MH.
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:49 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
GDS shows EQV, not a 744 specifically, so yes it would be correct to say that no 744 are shown on the scheduled.

GDS shows daily B744 throug 28FEB from KUL and 01MAR from SYD, after which the flight reverts to B772. The flight is also scheduled to operate daily with B744 until this date. I don't know how you define a scheduled flight, but I believe this means a B744 is scheduled for this rotation every single day until 28FEB/01MAR.
 
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:57 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
Quoting psimpson (Reply 4):


That is an error... The correct information is MH have secured finance for the purchase of the 6 x A380's already on order...

As for the B744 replacement the B772's are stepping into the role while the A380's are deployed on the European routes...

EK413

Well 4 of the A380s are on the double daily LHR route, will be other 2 be used on the CDG route or AMS?
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:28 pm



Quoting na (Reply 7):
MH also announced that the 777s will be retired soon. Was it 2015?

CEO in mid-2012 said "gone in 3 years"

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):
GDS shows daily B744 throug 28FEB from KUL and 01MAR from SYD, after which the flight reverts to B772. The flight is also scheduled to operate daily with B744 until this date. I don't know how you define a scheduled flight, but I believe this means a B744 is scheduled for this rotation every single day until 28FEB/01MAR.

We must be looking at different things -- shows EQV on mine.

Additionally the MH online timetable effective December 1st also shows EQV.

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/cont...h_timetable_december_march2013.pdf

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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:40 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Additionally the MH online timetable effective December 1st also shows EQV.

Obviously the flight would show EQV in a timetable through the end of March since it reverts to B772 on March 01. Until that time it operates with B744 daily.
 
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:14 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 12):
Obviously the flight would show EQV in a timetable through the end of March since it reverts to B772 on March 01. Until that time it operates with B744 daily.

If you look carefully at the linked schedule, any mid period equipment changes are well noted by MH.
For example MH141 KUL-SYD switches from 772 to 333 on March 6/7 and is reflected as such.

But the MH121 is shown as EQV for the entire schedule timeframe and does not reflect at any intended 744 use or swaps from 744 to 772 later in March if that was the intention.
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:23 pm

Will they order more A380s? Or go for the B 747-8?
 
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:59 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):

Having just checked my info, you are correct in that Malaysian have just secured the financing of the 6 A380s which they ordered on the 11 December 2003.
The next A380 for Malaysian MSN94 9M-MNE is due for delivery this month December, with the 6th and final A380 from the current order MSN114 9M-MNF due for delivery during February 2013.
 
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:38 pm

Richard Anderson at DL must be interested...
 
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:31 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
If you look carefully at the linked schedule

And if you look carefully at any day to day availability of this flight between now and February 28, then you will see that the flight is loaded as B744 until then every single day, and that also the corresponding seat map is loaded as 744 every single day. I honestly don't see how you can argue that

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
There are no 744s on the schedule after December 1st per MH timetable

as the aircraft is clearly still in scheduled operation at MH, operating scheduled flights every single day since the beginning ot eh NW time table came into effect and every single day until March 01, 2013.
 
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:48 pm

Quoting xdlx (Reply 16):

Richard Anderson at DL must be interested...

Probably not. Mx recordkeeping seems to be... spotty.
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:53 pm

FYI,
9M-MPM (B744) operated today's MAS123 KUL-SYD route.
 
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:07 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 18):
Quoting xdlx (Reply 16):

Richard Anderson at DL must be interested...

Probably not. Mx recordkeeping seems to be... spotty.

Do you have a source for such an allegation?
I would imagine CASA would be very interested if aircraft with "spotty" mx operated services into SYD.
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:26 pm

Quoting na (Reply 7):
Loved the 747 painted in RED. I will miss the Red Lobster, my name for it.

That were two fantastic planes indeed. But Lobster? That was a Hibiscus flower if I remember right.

I always thought it was a tropical fish.
 
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:51 pm

Quoting aerohottie (Reply 20):
Do you have a source for such an allegation?
I would imagine CASA would be very interested if aircraft with "spotty" mx operated services into SYD.

From other sources just this week:

"walked away from a purchase of 2x MAS B734 aircraft earlier this year; MAS couldn’t provide all the required technical history. One of those aircraft is now being scrapped in UK."

and

"QANTAS ended up having to retire an ex-MH 744 quite early after they discovered that the aircraft in fact had hidden (and serious) damage from some work done at MH years earlier."

Allegations seem to continue to be made.
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:21 am

Quoting xdlx (Reply 16):
Richard Anderson at DL must be interested...
Quoting Spacepope (Reply 18):
Probably not. Mx recordkeeping seems to be... spotty.
Quoting aerohottie (Reply 20):
Do you have a source for such an allegation?

I think he may have been jokingly alluding to DL's penchant for acquiring used aircraft of types they already have in the fleet, not making a serious statement.
 
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:39 am

I see it loaded on KULSYD through Feb13. It'll be sad to see them in the desert...
 
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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:28 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 10):

I can't remember where I read up on it but I believe the A380s will be deployed on key European routes LHR and we can assume CDG being the second city... I'll dig up the source...

Quoting United Airline (Reply 14):

No... MH and TG are struggling to allocate missions for their A380s...

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RE: MH's B 747-400 Fleet Retirement Confirmed?

Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:12 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 25):

Malaysia Airlines (MAS) and Thai Airways are planning to increase capacity on European routes as they take delivery of the remaining A380s from their six-aircraft orders.Both carriers have opted against implementing original plans for deploying any of their initial A380s to Australia.

MAS took delivery of its first A380s in May-2012 and Thai in Sep-2012.

MAS now operates one daily A380 flight to London Heathrow and will use additional A380s to introduce a second daily Kuala Lumpur-Heathrow frequency and a daily Kuala Lumpur-Paris flight.

Thai so far has only operated regional routes with its A380 but will soon begin using the aircraft for Bangkok-Frankfurt, followed by Bangkok-Paris.

Thai at this point has no intention of following MAS in using the A380 for London.the A380 on Bangkok-London would represent too big of a jump in capacity. He pointed out that the carrier currently serves the route with Airbus A340-600s, which Thai configures with only 267 seats, and that the carrier prefers to maintain two daily frequencies on the route with relatively small capacity aircraft.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...er-than-australia-with-a380s-88384

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