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Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:17 pm

Bombardier Aerospace announced today that Delta Air Lines, Inc. of Atlanta, Georgia has placed a firm order for 40 CRJ900 NextGen regional jets and has taken options on an additional 30 CRJ900 NextGen aircraft.

Based on the list price of the CRJ900 NextGen aircraft, the firm order is valued at approximately $1.85 billion US, and could reach approximately $3.29 billion US if the 30 options are converted to firm orders.

The new CRJ900 NextGen regional jets will be configured with 76 seats in a two-class cabin and will be operated by Delta Connection carriers to be determined by Delta Air Lines.

http://www.marketwire.com/press-rele...en-jetliners-tsx-bbd.a-1734469.htm
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:45 pm

More details here:

Delta will acquire 40 new CRJ900 two-class regional jets, with the option to purchase an additional 30 CRJ900 aircraft, and Bombardier will assist Delta in phasing out 60 single-class CRJ200 aircraft.

The CRJ900 will be configured with 12 seats in the first class cabin, 12 seats in Delta's popular Economy Comfort section and 52 seats in economy. The aircraft will feature Delta's all-leather seating in a two-by-two configuration with window and aisle seats only.

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1809
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:00 pm

Good for Bombardier and DL! It'll be nice to see more CR9s presumeably helping to replace the 50-seaters.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:29 pm

Wow, this really bring life back into the CRJ line which we had been worriedly observing lately. With a backlog of only 67 aircraft in BBD's september report, this potentially doubles that amount if the options are excercised.

DL's scope clause still says absolutely no regional flying above 76 seats, right? That would explain the lack of CRK's.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:40 pm

I was hoping they went w/ the E175's they're more comfortable and you don't have to worry about pink tagging your bag. Oh well.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:42 pm

Pretty much an expected development in the narrowbody / regional fleet transition strategy.

After the pilot contract was agreed-up, it stated how many additional 2-class RJs DL could obtain.

In order to help remove CRJ-200s from the fleet, it was expected that DL would almost have to make a deal with Bombardier to help offload the aircraft early.

I would guess these will be to be the CRJs that will be coming out of the Skywest fleet as a part of that previously announced deal.

That does not necessarily mean:
1) That Skywest (or any regional operator) will be specifically getting these aircraft
2) That DL wouldn't reallocate other CRJ-200s to other operators and hubs and routes (particularly the 9E CRJs that in all cases are staying around for several more years)
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:44 pm

Quoting Triple7LR (Reply 4):
I was hoping they went w/ the E175's they're more comfortable and you don't have to worry about pink tagging your bag. Oh well.

Doesn't mean that may not get more in the future, until they hit their 76-seat/2-class RJ scope limit.

I really think they had to go BBD here in order to offload CRJ-200s, both sides had to play "lets make a deal"
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:02 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
2) That DL wouldn't reallocate other CRJ-200s to other operators and hubs and routes (particularly the 9E CRJs that in all cases are staying around for several more years)

Is it certain the 9E CR2's will stay around? They have 141 leased CR2's which is larger than the public goal of approximately 125 once the 717's and new 50+-seat RJ's are all in DL colors. A bankruptcy restructuring is the perfect opportunity to shed leases on CR2's which no longer fit into the fleet plan.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:12 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 6):
I really think they had to go BBD here in order to offload CRJ-200s, both sides had to play "lets make a deal"

I sense that you are right...they have allot of beer cans on their hands and went back to the manufacturer to offload them in a financially viable manner. IF this is the case (and Im willing to bet it is), I wonder if this would be the template for other regionals to negotiate with EMBRAER upgrading their E135/45s.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:26 pm

Would have been cool to see them opt for the CRJ-1000.

Why are they ordering so many CRJ-900s, when they are about to receive 88 717s?
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:34 pm

Quoting lostsound (Reply 9):
Would have been cool to see them opt for the CRJ-1000.

Too many seats for the regional carriers

Quoting lostsound (Reply 9):
Why are they ordering so many CRJ-900s, when they are about to receive 88 717s?

These are mostly replacing the CRJ-200s while the 717s are replacing the DC-9s and probably some of the MD-88s (eventually.) Somewhat close in seats, but worlds away (mainline vs regional, 2 different markets)

Quoting ScottB (Reply 11):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
the 717s are replacing the DC-9s and probably some of the MD-88s (eventually.)

Probably some of the oldest A320's as well which are rapidly approaching a quarter-century in service.

Yeah, forgot about those too!

[Edited 2012-12-06 07:42:21]
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:39 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
the 717s are replacing the DC-9s and probably some of the MD-88s (eventually.)

Probably some of the oldest A320's as well which are rapidly approaching a quarter-century in service.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:43 pm

Cool  Well done BBD, nice to hear the CRJ900 soldiers on.

Quoting queb (Reply 1):
12 seats in Delta's popular Economy Comfort

Do the existing CRJ900s have Economy Comfort seats or is this a new feature if the new CR9s are to have Zodiac SlimPlus seats?
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:51 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
It'll be nice to see more CR9s presumeably helping to replace the 50-seaters.

Hear, hear! So, what are the differences between the CR9s currently in the fleet and the "NextGen" birds?
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:54 pm

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 13):

They are newer.....!
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:55 pm

Good, at least there will be something flying around that i'snt boring looking like all the Boeing/Airbus zzzz.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:59 pm

Quoting xdlx (Reply 14):
They are newer.....!

Cute!   But seriously, are there any differences that a frequent flyer or airline nerd would notice?
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:00 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 7):
Is it certain the 9E CR2's will stay around? They have 141 leased CR2's which is larger than the public goal of approximately 125 once the 717's and new 50+-seat RJ's are all in DL colors. A bankruptcy restructuring is the perfect opportunity to shed leases on CR2's which no longer fit into the fleet plan.

The actual CRJ-200s currently flown by 9E will likely be the remaining CRJs that are not being removed in the next few years. These are the youngest CRJ-200s in the fleet and were the ones originally ordered by NW. DL is the lease-holder on these aircraft, not 9E. They were all delivered between 1999-2005 so they do not yet have the higher maintenance costs and checks that are required of older aircraft.

DL can't shed the leases on these aircraft since 9E's bankruptcy does not impact DL's obligation for these aircraft. It does give DL (and 9E) the opportunity to move them to another regional operation. These aircraft will still be in the DL Connection fleet, but it depends how DL wants to play the musical chairs game with the operators.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
These are mostly replacing the CRJ-200s while the 717s are replacing the DC-9s and probably some of the MD-88s (eventually.) Somewhat close in seats, but worlds away (mainline vs regional, 2 different markets)

717, CRJ-900, and the additional 40 2-class RJs are replacing CRJ-200 and DC-9 capacity.

Not intended to be an MD-88 replacement.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 11):
Probably some of the oldest A320's as well which are rapidly approaching a quarter-century in service.

737-900ER capacity is intended to replace oldest A320, oldest 757, and 763 domestic capacity

There is no such thing as a 1 for 1 replacement on aircraft, its about replacement capacity with the most appropriate mix of frames.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:08 pm

Well let's hope GoJet doesn't get any.

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 16):
Cute!   But seriously, are there any differences that a frequent flyer or airline nerd would notice?

Bigger bins and windows and LED interior lighting. Currently all of the CR9s in the DLC fleet are NextGens with the exception of SkyWest's older deliveries and a few of the Comair originals now with ExpressJet and SkyWest.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:22 pm

Quoting Triple7LR (Reply 4):

I wish they'd gone with the 175 as well...I loath the CRJ's.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 12):

Every 2 class a/c in the Delta/DL Connection fleet have Econ Comfort and wi-fi.
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:26 pm

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 18):

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 16):
Cute!   But seriously, are there any differences that a frequent flyer or airline nerd would notice?

Bigger bins and windows and LED interior lighting. Currently all of the CR9s in the DLC fleet are NextGens with the exception of SkyWest's older deliveries and a few of the Comair originals now with ExpressJet and SkyWest.
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:27 pm

I too wish they went with the E175 or C-Series. Hate the CRJ family. While the -900 is better than the CR2's, it's still a CRJ. Too bad on this one.
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:31 pm

Makes sense for Delta - taking full advantage of the flexibility from the new pilot agreement. Delta is being smart to offload 50-seaters in an orderly, but rapid, way whenever possible. Will be interesting to see what effect, if any, Delta locking up some portion of the CRJ production line has on purchasing decisions from other potential buyers.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:16 pm

Is there a chance DL will still by E75/E90/E95s? The Embrers are much more comfortable over the CRJ, even the CR7/CR9 NextGens models.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:16 pm

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 18):
Bigger bins and windows and LED interior lighting.

Thanks!

The CR9s may be "just CRJs", but from a practical point of view, they're a completely different passenger experience from the CR2. Smooth and super-quiet. I actually prefer its FC cabin to most mainline jets because it's so quiet!
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:17 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 11):
Probably some of the oldest A320's as well which are rapidly approaching a quarter-century in service.

Very true. Nothwest took delivery of the first A320 in 1989. A few lucky spotters got shots of it in the original Northwest Orient colors--as I recall the first two were delivered that way but were quickly repainted. Definitely a collectors item.

I remember taking to our Director of Maintenance at the time and he was not particularly impressed with the aircraft (a good Boeing man, through and through). He called the 320 a "Twenty year throw away airplane."
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:30 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 23):
Is there a chance DL will still by E75/E90/E95s? The Embrers are much more comfortable over the CRJ, even the CR7/CR9 NextGens models.

It is possible they could get more E-175, however probably not likely at this point. Heres my thinking why:

1) The order + options on CRJ-900's almost to the maximum number of additional 76 seat aircraft allowed under the scope provision in the pilot contract

2) DL needs to deal with BBD in order off-load the CRJ-200 aircraft. This become a negotiating piece for both sides

3) The capacity and route profiles for this replacement capacity generally favor the CRJ-900 vs E-175. DL is going to be backfilling routes operated by 50 seaters with CR7 & CR9 equipment. Routes flown by CR7 will get bumped up to CR9. Short stage length flights don't really need the E175. Plus DL will now have the 717 at their disposal.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:31 pm

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 24):

I agree! I fly US Airways quite frequently and try to upgrade to F on the CRJs before the mainline mainly because I like having the aisle and window seat in one! No worrying about obnoxious seatmates (And I've had a few obnoxious ones!   )

Like stated before, the biggest instantly noticable difference between the NextGens and the non-NGs are the LED lighting. The bigger bins are nice too, but the LED lighting, to me, make it feel a bit more airy and roomy in the plane.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:34 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 23):

Don't forget the config, the CR9 is a 88 pax RJ, at 76 it will be very comfortable.

[Edited 2012-12-06 09:36:08]
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:43 pm

Could this be Air Wisconsin's opportunity to land something beyond 2015? Air Wisconsin has not bid on additional flying in a while since they did not want to acquire the aircraft needed to operate the service. If Delta is paying for the aircraft, then Air Wisconsin could actually make a bid to fly the aircraft without the need to take on risk in acquiring the aircraft to fly the aircraft. Air Wisconsin is already a CRJ operator so it would be very easy for them to train crews on the airplane.

I am trying to see who else would be viable. Delta already has a lot of eggs in the Skywest Inc. basket, as well as with Trans States holdings. Republic is an Embraer operator. Pinnacle would be the only other option, and the bankruptcy may be puting Delta on a wait and see approach before they issue an RFP.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:45 pm

These will be good in the interim, but I'm not sure what DL will be able to do with them once SkyWest, Inc. starts getting their MRJs---and whatever else might eventually be ordered---especially since SkyWest historically has wanted as much control over their fleet as possible.
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:49 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 29):
Could this be Air Wisconsin's opportunity to land something beyond 2015? Air Wisconsin has not bid on additional flying in a while since they did not want to acquire the aircraft needed to operate the service. If Delta is paying for the aircraft, then Air Wisconsin could actually make a bid to fly the aircraft without the need to take on risk in acquiring the aircraft to fly the aircraft. Air Wisconsin is already a CRJ operator so it would be very easy for them to train crews on the airplane.

I am trying to see who else would be viable. Delta already has a lot of eggs in the Skywest Inc. basket, as well as with Trans States holdings. Republic is an Embraer operator. Pinnacle would be the only other option, and the bankruptcy may be puting Delta on a wait and see approach before they issue an RFP.

These aircraft will be used to replace existing DCI aircraft 2 for 1 or will be flown by the lowest cost unit airline. Don't kid yourself man, AWAC has a limited life span after 2015... the writing is most certainly on the wall after how their TERRIBLE managers have run that company. I spent my time at AWAC, and I got out as soon as humanly possible.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:50 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 29):
Pinnacle would be the only other option, and the bankruptcy may be puting Delta on a wait and see approach before they issue an RFP.

9E was told nothing new until they get their house in order. They're starting to turn a bit of a corner, it seems, but there's still work to be done.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:55 pm

Good day for BBD and the CRJs:

Undisclosed Customer in China Orders Seven Bombardier CRJ700 NextGen Aircraft

http://www.bombardier.com/wps/portal...edia-centre?docID=0901260d8027b5a1

This order is for a special mission variant.



[Edited 2012-12-06 10:01:52]
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:15 pm

The "NextGen" CRJ900sa have redesigned interiors with LED lighting (as do the recognition lights), and lower operating and maintenance costs.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:19 pm

The 900NextGens aren't too bad, but I agree with the above posters that also favor the E-Jets.
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:27 pm

Looks like the PMDL influence has won over the PMNW influence again, just as it did with the 739ER order. I have heard that NW had a preference for the E-175 over the CR9 due to its longer range and greater cargo capacity.

[Edited 2012-12-06 10:27:56]
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:29 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 36):
Looks like the PMDL influence has won over the PMNW influence again, just as it did with the 739ER order. I have heard that NW had a preference for the E-175 over the CR9.

There is absolutely zero truth to that statement.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:50 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 36):
Looks like the PMDL influence has won over the PMNW influence again, just as it did with the 739ER order. I have heard that NW had a preference for the E-175 over the CR9 due to its longer range and greater cargo capacity.

IF that statement is true, NW was also a far different airline than DL, so it stands to reason that their re-fleeting needs would be different.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:58 pm

Expected, but still disappointing that DL went with the CR9. They're definitely obsolete as far as passenger comfort.

Not good news for Compass either.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:07 pm

Quoting Prost (Reply 39):
IF that statement is true, NW was also a far different airline than DL, so it stands to reason that their re-fleeting needs would be different.

The statement was completely false on all levels.

PMDL had no favoritism to the CR9
-Rremember that DL go their first E-jets years before NW)

PMNW had no favoritism to the E175 (N
-NW needed the range of the E175 from MSP
-NW converted a cancelled order for additional CRJ-200s to CRJ-900s
-NW needed both manufacturers in order to get the 72 aircraft in a short time period, as neither could likely meet the delivery schedule independently

PMNW & PMDL ARE GONE. Neither exist, it is now just DL.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 40):
Expected, but still disappointing that DL went with the CR9. They're definitely obsolete as far as passenger comfort.

Not good news for Compass either.

Now we are complaining about replacing CRJ-200s with CRJ-900s? People will alway complain.

DL does not need an E-175 on every 2-class RJ route. They do not need the range, they do not need the cargo, they do not need the expense.

Routes like MSP-GRB do not need an E-175, the CRJ-900 is a perfectly appropriate aircraft.

This is a business-driven decision, not some favoritism or picking sides matter.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:41 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 41):
Now we are complaining about replacing CRJ-200s with CRJ-900s? People will alway complain.

No, its about potentially replacing CR2s with CR9s instead of E-175s. Most customers wouldn't be complaining about the Embraers, you can guarantee yourself that.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 41):
DL does not need an E-175 on every 2-class RJ route.

Customers don't need to care about what the company wants.

And besides, DL will now have many, many more two-class CRJs at their disposal than two-class EMBs. DL could use the E-175 on more routes than they can use them on now.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 41):

This is a business-driven decision

Of course it is. But that doesn't mean the customer has to like it. Most that know the difference in regional jets will not.

If Delta is so naive to think that company decisions do not involve the customer and the associated feedback, they've failed at the basics of management. So, they have the whole scenario and have made their decision. Now the customer's response to it comes.

[Edited 2012-12-06 11:42:26]
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:49 pm

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 16):
But seriously, are there any differences that a frequent flyer or airline nerd would notice?

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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:00 pm

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 42):
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 41):DL does not need an E-175 on every 2-class RJ route.

Customers don't need to care about what the company wants.

Well, customers would probably prefer an A380, but that's not feasible, is it? There has to be a balance between what the customer "wants" and what the company "needs". Sometimes the customer just can't get everything they want because of what the company "needs". Part of why this business decision was made the way it was is because BBD is helping DL get rid of about 60, CRJ-200s. I doubt if Embraer was willing to do that.

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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:01 pm

This is expected as DL was looking for lease forgiveness for the 50 seaters.

After delivery of these aircraft, the maximum amount of 50 seaters allowed flying for DCI will be 125.
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:04 pm

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 40):
Expected, but still disappointing that DL went with the CR9. They're definitely obsolete as far as passenger comfort.

Which city that primarily sees CR2 won't be happy to see a CR9? Nobody in CRW or TRI or ROA are going to see a CR9 at the gate and go, Damn! I was wanting an E170. They'll be happy just to see a jet. I've flown CR2-9 and E170. The 170 is the most comfortable aircraft I've ever flown domestically. That said, the CR9 is still worlds ahead of the CR2.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 41):
DL does not need an E-175 on every 2-class RJ route. They do not need the range, they do not need the cargo, they do not need the expense.

Tell me this.. can the 175 haul human remains?
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:05 pm

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 42):
No, its about potentially replacing CR2s with CR9s instead of E-175s. Most customers wouldn't be complaining about the Embraers, you can guarantee yourself that.

I'd like to know how many customers are complaining about CRJ-900s versus E-175s. Enough to sway the company's decision?

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 42):
If Delta is so naive to think that company decisions do not involve the customer and the associated feedback, they've failed at the basics of management. So, they have the whole scenario and have made their decision. Now the customer's response to it comes.

Customers have said they want less 50 seat RJs and DL is responding. Do we know the price difference and operating cost difference between CR9 and E175? Do we know if DL would've been able to off-load CRJ-200s without a CRJ-900 order?

I understand you like to be critical of everything that is DL and everything that is perceived to be different than how NW did things, or that are perceived to screw MSP.

There are tradeoffs in every scenario, but in the end the CRJ-900s are the next best alternative that works for all parties involved.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:09 pm

Yes, I will agree the Ejets are tad more comfortable. However it's not like the CRJ-900 is uncomfortable.
I've been on Air Canada's CRJ-705s (Which is really a 900 with less seats) and there is not a single issue my 6'3 self had during that flight. A very wonderful aircraft indeed.

Congrats to both companies.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:28 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 46):
Do we know the price difference and operating cost difference between CR9 and E175?

BBD said that CR9 has an operating cost lower than 5% on a 500 nm flight.

http://crjnextgen.com/en/#/crj/econo...hoperatingcosts/cashcrj900nextgen/

Quoting lostsound (Reply 47):
I've been on Air Canada's CRJ-705s (Which is really a 900 with less seats) and there is not a single issue my 6'3 self had during that flight. A very wonderful aircraft indeed.

In addition, Air Canada's CRJ705s are not NextGen.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:31 pm

Is there any chance that DL could order the CS100 in the future, or does this CR9 order (as well as the scope clauses) pretty much rule that out? I don't suppose that the scope clauses could/will be renegotiated to include CSeries aircraft?

Quoting r2rho (Reply 3):
CRK's

You are referring to CRJ1000s, correct?

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 30):

I think both the CR9s and the MRJs will be used to replace the 200+ CR2s that are leaving the fleet.

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