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DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:09 pm

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WSJ: Boeing Confirms Dubai Aerospace Enterprise Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters
http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/276762643346366465

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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:21 pm

Saw the update on boeing's site earlier and noticed the cancellations. I figured it would be DAE, no one else with more than 5 747-8I/F orders seemed likely.
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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:22 pm

So that still leaves five?

The original ten were ordered by Emirates Sky Cargo, then sold to DAE with the intent to lease them back.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:26 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
So that still leaves five?

The original ten were ordered by Emirates Sky Cargo, then sold to DAE with the intent to lease them back.

Actually, on boeing's orders and deliveries site its shows 5 as of November 2012. So It seems the remaining order is now cancelled.
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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:33 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3):
Actually, on boeing's orders and deliveries site its shows 5 as of November 2012. So It seems the remaining order is now cancelled.

Fair enough.

Guess EK felt their 777 fleet provided enough cargo capacity?
 
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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:16 am

So, how many B-747-8Fs remain on Boeing's backlog book now?
 
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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:37 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
So, how many B-747-8Fs remain on Boeing's backlog book now?

Orders 67, deliveries 26 (through November 30) = backlog of 41, less these 5 = 36.
 
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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:07 am

Boeing did secure two 747-8 UFOs, but no word as of yet if they are passenger or freighter models.

Boeing also added three CX 747-8Fs to their firing order, so that implies a top-up order will be coming from them.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:54 am

Does this include MSN 37451 that was already earmarked for Emirates SkyCargo?
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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:57 am

Is this the first time Emirates has *ever* downsized?
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:49 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 9):
Is this the first time Emirates has *ever* downsized?

I believe they've cancelled orders or deferred them into irrelevance before. And they did briefly operate some A310 freighter conversions that they changed their minds on and brought in leased metal from Atlas Air and TNT instead.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:53 am

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3):

That's odd because when I was looking at the order books last month or maybe it was in October, they still listed the full ten frames as being on order. When I saw that, I thought it was strang since I had thought they had already officially canceled five frames.
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:42 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
Boeing did secure two 747-8 UFOs, but no word as of yet if they are passenger or freighter models.

Both UFO's are freighters, see reply 194 in : Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #10 (by wilco737 Oct 4 2012 in Civil Aviation)#194
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:11 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 9):
Is this the first time Emirates has *ever* downsized?

They did cancel an order for the A346 (was it 16 frames?) but it wasn't really downsizing as they ordered almost endless T7s in that time.

To me it looks like they've cancelled late and 2 UFOs and 3 for CX have bought their places in the queue.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:32 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 9):
Is this the first time Emirates has *ever* downsized?

They also cancelled their A380F order.

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 13):


To me it looks like they've cancelled late and 2 UFOs and 3 for CX have bought their places in the queue.

Stitch said in another thread that the CX airframes came from the Air China order.
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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:49 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Fair enough.

Guess EK felt their 777 fleet provided enough cargo capacity?

Wouldn't be the first time their 777 has killed a Boeing freighter order. I guess sometimes your product is to damn good.
 
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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:55 pm

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 15):
Wouldn't be the first time their 777 has killed a Boeing freighter order. I guess sometimes your product is to damn good.

More like they don't need the capacity. Cargo market is down, CX, SQ, CI have all parked 744 freighters.
 
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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:38 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 14):
To me it looks like they've cancelled late and 2 UFOs and 3 for CX have bought their places in the queue.
Stitch said in another thread that the CX airframes came from the Air China order.

747-8F :

- DAE cancelled 5 ordered 747-8F aircraft, 5 still remaining.

- Two unidentified 747-8F aircraft ordered.

- At the FAL firing order 3 aircraft slots (L/N 1483,84 and 86) were assigned for Air China Cargo.(unannounced order). These aircraft received the tabulation numbers RC631-33 and were listed as 747-8FTF aircraft.

- Two weeks ago these 3 aircraft slots were re-assigned to Cathay Pacific Cargo as 747-867F aircraft. (also not announced yet) The aircraft received the sequential Cathay tabulation numbers RC561,62 and 63, following the original batch of 10 (RC551-560).

747-8F orders (end of November 2012)


The order for 5 Air China 747-8I aircraft is still listed at the Boeing website.
747-8I orders (end of November 2012)


[Edited 2012-12-07 05:39:43]
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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:55 pm

Quoting 747classic (Reply 17):
DAE cancelled 5 ordered 747-8F aircraft, 5 still remaining.

But those 5 were as of November 2012. The new cancellations were recorded in December, so would that not mean DAE no longer has any 747-8Fs on order?

EDIT: Evidently they still have 5 per Boeing, so they must have cancelled in November and it was reported in December?

[Edited 2012-12-07 07:07:53]
 
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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:10 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 18):
But those 5 were as of November 2012. The new cancellations were recorded in December, so would that not mean DAE no longer has any 747-8Fs on order?

Well the only other explanation I can come up with is if this cancellation was delayed in the weekly updates, because for the 747 it only shows the 5 cancellations from the recent update. Does anyone know how many 747s DAE had in October? Because I think that would help make this a bit clearer.
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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:40 pm

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 10):

The A310F were in mid 2000s operated in addition to the 744F fleet which came in from 2001, they were not replaced by the 747s.
 
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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:48 pm

The user defined orders and delivery lists (as shown above) are updated at the end of each month and published a few days later.
One week ago the 747-8F list showed 10 DAE freighters.
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:51 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 20):
The A310F were in mid 2000s operated in addition to the 744F fleet which came in from 2001, they were not replaced by the 747s.

Oh I see, thank you for clarifying. I guess they didn't get a direct replacement right away for them.
 
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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:55 pm

^ to further clarify the A310F joined the fleet around 2006.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:56 pm

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 22):
^ to further clarify the A310F joined the fleet around 2006.

Further clarification is even better!  
 
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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:46 pm

I find it hard to believe that there are 8 747-8i VIP orders from the USA. Any at all for that matter.
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:01 pm

The holds on the 777 are monstrous, there should be ample space for a LOT of cargo.
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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:20 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 25):
I find it hard to believe that there are 8 747-8i VIP orders from the USA. Any at all for that matter.

All of the B-747-8-VIPs are ordered through Boeing Business Jets (BBJ) who then orders them from Boeing Commerical Aircraft. Thus all of the B-747-8-VIPs are for BBJ who then gets them to the refit facility and then onto the customers.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:26 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 27):
Thus all of the B-747-8-VIPs are for BBJ who then gets them to the refit facility and then onto the customers.

And I believe all of those customers are in the Middle East.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 28):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 27):
Thus all of the B-747-8-VIPs are for BBJ who then gets them to the refit facility and then onto the customers.

And I believe all of those customers are in the Middle East.

That's what I figured . The only ones that would or could ($) order a 748i VIP in the US is for an AF1 replacement  
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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:05 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 29):
The only ones that would or could ($) order a 748i VIP in the US is for an AF1 replacement

There's a couple people in around here who could afford a 747i VIP. But they don't have the need to get a 748i. I'm crossing my fingers for Paul Allen to get a 787 VIP. Not just for his own use, but perhaps for the NFL team he owns .

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RE: DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters

Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:53 am

Rumour that CX will send the B777F to Air China, and get 3 B748F from them. Makes sense I guess. Think the GECAS ones are going to Saudia

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