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SWA, JetBlue, US Air Apply For DCA Slots

Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:20 pm

Last month the DOT established proceeding to reallocated of two former Spirit Airlines within perimeter (1,250 miles) Air-21 slot exemptions at DCA.

Under the Air-21 rules the departments selection criteria consist of;
• New entrant air carriers or limited incumbent air carriers (hold fewer than 40 slots at DCA)
• Service to communities without existing nonstop air transportation to DCA.
• Service to smaller communities.
• Provide competitive nonstop air service on a monopoly DCA route.
• Produce competitive consumer benefits including low fares.

Applications were due yesterday December 5, 2012.

Following were received:

JetBlue
JetBlue proposes to introduce low fare competitive service in the DCA - Jacksonville, FL market, currently a monopoly market operated by US Airways the dominant carrier at DCA. JetBlue proposes to utilize 150-seat A320 equipment.

DCA-JAX 0800-1010
JAX-DCA 1745-1955

JetBlue states the plan to introduce competitive service in this market should provide consumers average airfare savings of 20-30% based on its experience with other DCA markets.

Southwest Airlines
Southwest applies for the slot exemptions in order to provide low-fare service between DCA and Houston, one of the largest and most over-priced monopoly routes at DCA. Southwest proposes to utilize 737 equipment with service to Hobby airport along with beyond connectivity to potentially 42 additional cities.

HOU-DCA 1025-1420
DCA-HOU 1500-1720

Southwest projects its single flight would generate $19.1mil in annual consumer savings over current market fares charged by United Airlines.

US Airways
US Airways, proposes to inaugurate the first-ever nonstop service between DCA and Oklahoma City using 99-seat 2-class E190 equipment.

DCA-OKC 1350-1610
OKC-DCA 1640-2030

US Airways states its proposal fully meets the departments goals as it would not replicate current service, but would provide access to a community without existing nonstop service to DCA.


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Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:26 pm

Yes!!!!!

I really hope US Airways gets this. Would love to see them in OKC!

Man, these DCA slot processes are nail biting!
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:39 pm

How does DCA-HOU satisfy one of the requirements of being a "smaller community" as per the criteria? I agree WN should would be huge on this route, but seems contrary o the rules.

Also, didn't WN apply for DCA-OKC like JetBlue is doing or was that something else?
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:42 pm

I'm really torn on this one. WN should have just stuck with OKC and would likely have got it. US going after it now makes it pretty interesting. Not really sure how this will turn out though.

Side note. What happened to the thread yesterday that was on this very same topic? I searched and it is gone now. Are threads just getting deleted for some random reason?
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:46 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 3):
Also, didn't WN apply for DCA-OKC like JetBlue is doing or was that something else?

WN applied for DCA-OKC for the last pair of slots that were retained by US for JAN-DCA.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:46 pm

I love OKC but I do no agree with giving more slots to US. If they want to serve the route, they have plenty of slots to use; give it to carriers that have very few slots.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 3):
How does DCA-HOU satisfy one of the requirements of being a "smaller community" as per the criteria?

It is a medium hub, just like OKC. It satisfies the qualification just as much as DCA-JAX on B6 or US at OKC.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 3):
Also, didn't WN apply for DCA-OKC like JetBlue is doing
WN applied for DCA-OKC like US is doing. WN didn't get it back then, I bet they will use some of what US used against them last time against US this time.

[Edited 2012-12-06 13:49:10]
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:48 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 3):

How does DCA-HOU satisfy one of the requirements of being a "smaller community" as per the criteria? I agree WN should would be huge on this route, but seems contrary o the rules.

With these proceedings there is never a way to satisfy all 5, so airlines usually pick destinations that will give them the most criteria and run with it. I'm surprised WN didn't pick OKC again, but HOU is a much more important "hub" for them.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:58 pm

To me, Southwest has the strongest case if you follows DOTs logic in what generates the most consumer benefit.

Houston is indeed a large and a monopoly market from DCA. Not only can SWA inject some pricing competition its Hobby flight also opens up beyond markets options for consumers. So there is not only a direct benefit, but larger network benefit. Also SWA like JetBlue is considered a limited incumbent.

JetBlue, plans for a Jacksonville flight is basically a point-to-point leisure offering. Sure it might be great for that specific market, but its not exactly a large one, nor provide broader network benefits for consumers.

For US, they are the slot king of DCA today and could serve OKC tomorrow if it was a corporate desire. Also their proposed E190 service is the smallest capacity offering of the 3 proposals.
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:04 pm

Politics will play a large role in this decision.

US got theirs in the last award process, WN will get theirs this time around. I think WN knows this, so they applied for one of their stronger hubs (in lieu of OKC) knowing they are owed one now by their lobbyists/politicans.

US is picking OKC because they know they have some politicians on their side and picked OKC specifically because WN did the last time around, and can use WN's previous argument against them and WN really can't contest it without flip-flopping.

I still believe this will go to WN/HOU. As much as I'd like to see US/OKC.
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:11 pm

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 1):

Rumor is that if that is approved they will launch PHX-OKC and CLT-OKC on express fleet.
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:12 pm

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 9):
Politics will play a large role in this decision.
Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 9):
I still believe this will go to WN/HOU.

You are spot on.

Quoting b757capt (Reply 10):
Rumor is that if that is approved they will launch PHX-OKC and CLT-OKC on express fleet.

US states in the application if approved they will have 1 daily DCA-OKC and 2 daily CLT-OKC. No PHX.

[Edited 2012-12-06 14:14:52]
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:33 pm

I would love to see the OKC flight come from CLT, probably on 2 CRJ 700 or 2 E175

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Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:48 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 12):
Would love to see TUL

The TUL economy needs to be doing better before there is even a point. They are sputtering up there whereas OKC is still booming pretty well.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 11):
US states in the application if approved they will have 1 daily DCA-OKC and 2 daily CLT-OKC. No PHX.

I don't see US trying to go west again from OKC until they would get established with a good customer base. Otherwise WN will kick their tail again.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:55 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 11):
US states in the application if approved they will have 1 daily DCA-OKC and 2 daily CLT-OKC. No PHX.

Here's the application for those who would like to view it:

http://www.regulations.gov/contentSt...osition=attachment&contentType=pdf


Proposed Flight Schedule:

OKC-CLT 715a Departure CRJ7/9
CLT-OKC 1247p Arrival CRJ7/9
OKC-CLT 130p Departure CRJ7/9
DCA-OKC 410p Arrival E190
OKC-DCA 440p Departure E190
CLT-OKC 1002p Arrival CRJ7/9
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:59 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
To me, Southwest has the strongest case if you follows DOTs logic in what generates the most consumer benefit.

I agree. WN has the strongest case and should win.

If OKC had been such a priority for US, they would have launched it already with all their other slots. Instead, they chose smaller markets like TLH, VPS and FAY....that should tell you something.

B6 has a slightly better case, though I have doubts they can make this route work at 1x daily. It's not quite the same kind of leisure route like MCO/TPA/FLL. My guess is that if B6 won, they'd downgrade to an E190 very quickly.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 3):

How does DCA-HOU satisfy one of the requirements of being a "smaller community" as per the criteria?

It's not a requirement, though it is preferred. Remember these slots were used by NK flying to FLL....hardly a small market either. In fact, these slots were specifically created to allow LCC's to serve larger markets...as other slots actually required you to serve small markets (slots like those held by US to serve JAN and CHA and DL to serve LEX).
 
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RE: SWA, JetBlue, US Air Apply For DCA Slots

Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:13 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
US Airways states its proposal fully meets the departments goals as it would not replicate current service, but would provide access to a community without existing nonstop service to DCA.

I'm still confused. US Airways can hardly be called a "limited incumbent" at DCA, yet that is one of the criteria:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
• New entrant air carriers or limited incumbent air carriers (hold fewer than 40 slots at DCA)

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Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:46 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 15):
I'm still confused. US Airways can hardly be called a "limited incumbent" at DCA, yet that is one of the criteria:

Go back to the previous points. They aren't requirements, just preference points on who it will go to.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:11 am

It is frustrating and pointless US won't launch a DCA-GPT route. It would make bank with high LF.
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:13 am

I for one think US has a chance... OKC has a lot of federal agencies, and the connection would be pretty useful. I also imagine some pressure from government employees who frequently fly this route won't hurt...

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Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:20 am

I think WN will get this one. It would provide competition to UA's service from IAH, and would gain access to a new airport. One could even argue that government employees would be more in favor of this route because it would end the monopoly and resulting overpricing.
 
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RE: SWA, JetBlue, US Air Apply For DCA Slots

Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:45 am

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 16):
Go back to the previous points. They aren't requirements, just preference points on who it will go to.


Yes, I understand that, and I understand that the DOT can use its discretion. My confusion is that US Airways lists the "limited incumbent" clause but then goes on to say that it "meets the statutory criteria." Some, sure, but not all.

Then I'm confused that Southwest didn't go for OKC-DCA, as it did last time, and (I thought) put up an excellent case. If it had done it this time, I doubt US would have had a chance.

As it stands, I don't see an obvious frontrunner.

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Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:27 am

US is done before they start.

They are not getting anymore slots at DCA...they could start this route tomorrow if they were interested.

A horse race between WN and B6. DOT likes both...but I think they like B6 a bit more.

HOU makes more sense than JAX though.

Dont forget Navy connections in JAX.

Also, Purple state vs Red State...Blue State Airline vs Red State Airline

Current admin plus all of the above...I would say B6 gets it
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:11 am

So if US gets rejected can they still launch service to OKC from CLT?

Also if DCA gets rejected would US fly 3 Daily flights from CLT to make up the capacity or just 2x

[Edited 2012-12-07 03:13:28]
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:07 pm

None of these are smaller communities. I was hoping to see US apply for DCA-GRR.

WN has the strongest case due to the hub in HOU and potential to maximize consumer benefits. B6 is the weakest, it is just point to point. US at least as a hub in DCA and wound be a new entrant to OKC
 
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RE: SWA, JetBlue, US Air Apply For DCA Slots

Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:13 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 22):
So if US gets rejected can they still launch service to OKC from CLT?

US can start service from CLT to OKC anytime they want...tying it to the DCA service is just a political ploy and nothing else.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 23):
None of these are smaller communities.

Not required to be smaller communities and again these slots were previously used for FLL...also not a small community.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:10 pm

The US application is pretty weak in my mind, especially if you take out the CLT-OKC section of the proposal (as the DOT should, as it has no bearing on the proceedings). In addition, US has +/- 470 slots at DCA...why can't they just start this with one of the 270 slotpairs they have?
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:08 pm

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 25):
In addition, US has +/- 470 slots at DCA...why can't they just start this with one of the 270 slotpairs they have?

US wants DCA to be a fortress. DCA-OKC is what US is gambling on to further strengthen the hub.

I don't understand why many here think US should just bow out of the running. No airline is going to voluntarily let slot openings at a restricted airport go without at least a token fight. This time around I think US has a pretty good case in proposing service to a large market without existing service, in fact, much stronger than the proposal they won last time for DCA-JAN. While WN proposing DCA-HOU throws some competition into a monopoly market pair, I think the flying public is better served with NEW service rather than EXPANDED service. Forget pricing.

The B6 DCA-JAX proposal also has a lot of merit. Jacksonville is a pretty large market though often overlooked - far more populous than Miami itself (though without the sprawling metro) and with a large military presence in the area especially USN. I think the DOT will look favorably on this proposal which will allow traffic to avoid transiting ATL and CLT.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:10 pm

WN is starting a petition drive for the DCA-HOU application just like they did with DCA-AUS: http://www.blogsouthwest.com/blog/he...ca-%E2%80%93-hou-route-take-flight

Funny. They never really lifted a finger for DCA-OKC when they applied for that.

[Edited 2012-12-07 09:24:23]
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:11 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 5):

I love OKC but I do no agree with giving more slots to US. If they want to serve the route, they have plenty of slots to use; give it to carriers that have very few slots.

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Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:14 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
Houston is indeed a large and a monopoly market from DCA

I hope they evaluate Houston-Washington as a whole not just HOU but the fares between IAH-DCA. If memory serves me the two airports are separated by 15 miles.

If the DOT considers the huge FAA Air Traffic Control training academy in OKC I have a hunch US gets OKC. I attended the academy for another federal agency and was told Air Traffic Controllers cycle in or out of the OKC training facility more than once during their careers for initial, follow-on or re-certification training. I understand the training facility has ramped up even more under the AIR-21 program.
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:14 pm

I love the idea on a 2X OKC route from CLT

I think US should be more aggressive and do 3X and one A319 flight and 2 CRJ700

That's what I think. They'll probably will start with CRJ but I think they should be aggressive
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:19 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 29):
I hope they evaluate Houston-Washington as a whole not just HOU but the fares between IAH-DCA. If memory serves me the two airports are separated by 15 miles.

Southwest in their blog claims 30 miles.

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 30):
I think US should be more aggressive and do 3X and one A319 flight and 2 CRJ700

Too bad CLT is not an E-jet base, I think the Embraers would be perfect for this route. The CRJ will seem cramped on a fairly long stage length.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:19 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 26):
I don't understand why many here think US should just bow out of the running.

I don't believe they should bow out either--it's anyone's game. I'm of the opinion that US's proposal is not only weaker than the other two, but also the least likely to really impact DCA. Again, with 270 slot-pairs, maybe they could reduce DCA-PHL from 9x to 8x to support this service.

But hey, if they get it, good for them. Can't succeed unless you try.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:21 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 31):

I agree I love the CRJ but OKC is about 2hours 15 min flight they should get the E190 on that route

I would love to see a E190 base back in CLT. Why did they dismantle it in the first place

I hope they bring it back
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:47 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 29):
the DOT considers the huge FAA Air Traffic Control training academy in OKC I have a hunch US gets OKC. I attended the academy for another federal agency and was told Air Traffic Controllers cycle in or out of the OKC training facility more than once during their careers for initial, follow-on or re-certification training. I understand the training facility has ramped up even more under the AIR-21 program.

Not just ATC, but the FAA does a huge amount of training for all of their various workgroups in OKC. I'd say at any given time there are around 1,000 FAA students in OKC from all over the country on training.
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:49 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 30):
I love the idea on a 2X OKC route from CLT

I think US should be more aggressive and do 3X and one A319 flight and 2 CRJ700

That's what I think. They'll probably will start with CRJ but I think they should be aggressive

US is proposing E190 on DCA and CRJ7/CRJ9 on CLT.
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:55 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 29):
I hope they evaluate Houston-Washington as a whole not just HOU but the fares between IAH-DCA.

Yes SWA specifically in its argument as to the importance of adding competition to the Houston market points out how disjointed the fares are on United at National versus other DC airports.
Application points out the DOT data shows UA DCA average fares are in excess of 60% higher.
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:47 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 31):
Southwest in their blog claims 30 miles.

I found one URL which mentions 38 km or 23.6 miles between IAH and HOU; a 45 minute drive with favorable traffic. The two airports are further than I remember. I suppose my ride was from a Adams Mark hotel closer to downtown to HOU

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 36):
Yes SWA specifically in its argument as to the importance of adding competition to the Houston market points out how disjointed the fares are on United at National versus other DC airports.
Application points out the DOT data shows UA DCA average fare

Valid point which I did not consider. Comparing apples with apples I should have clarified I hope the DOT evaluates the fares in Houston as a whole and not just the fares between HOU-DCA.

Taken with a grain of salt; one flyer blog I read stated one business traveler found it more advantageous to fly into IAH and depart out of HOU. His company realized a significant savings in the neighborhood of $500 per flight upwards of with the additional $25 shuttle/taxi fee between HOU and IAH. There are other variables in play. The blog did not mention the origin airport or if the travel might have been multi-city or circuitous.
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:57 pm

I am trying to learn the business aspects of airlines, so feel free to set me straight!

Looking at the US proposal, they project carrying 56,000 passengers, but state at this time 38,400 travel between
OKC-WAS. Where do the additional 18,000 passengers come from? More attractive premium cabin than competitors? Connections? They seem to tout their connections, however the flight from OKC does not arrive DCA until 8:30pm, so it looks more like a strictly O&D route..
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:22 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 31):
Too bad CLT is not an E-jet base, I think the Embraers would be perfect for this route. The CRJ will seem cramped on a fairly long stage length.

I have done IAD-OKC on multiple occasions on CR7s. It's not great, but it's not awful either.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:22 pm

Quoting OM617 (Reply 38):
They seem to tout their connections, however the flight from OKC does not arrive DCA until 8:30pm, so it looks more like a strictly O&D route..

First, connections would occur through both DC and CLT... splitting one each is very feasible.

Since there is no nonstop DCA-OKC right now, the market is not full size. It seems that more demand will revert to DCA from other alternatives. Right now the total may be for OKC-DCA 1-stops only?

I think all 3 are good applications, but the slot giveaway ritual itself seems kind of ridiculous. The market for hotel rooms does not rely on government lotteries. You simply pay for the berth you want, for as long as you want it. It's a method 1,000s of years old to allocate facilities, and still the best way.

[Edited 2012-12-07 11:25:37]
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 35):

I understand that I was just hoping that they flew the EJets for that route
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Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:35 am

Quoting OM617 (Reply 38):

Nonstop service will stimulate the market. I think a 2030 arrival will have connections there is a 2130 or something bank.
 
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With the deadline for comments coming up (tomorrow, I believe)...has anyone heard anything?
 
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Quoting sdoyon (Reply 43):
With the deadline for comments coming up (tomorrow, I believe)...has anyone heard anything?

What do you expect to hear? We probably won't see an announcement until Jan/Feb.
 
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RE: SWA, JetBlue, US Air Apply For DCA Slots

Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:55 pm

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 44):
What do you expect to hear? We probably won't see an announcement until Jan/Feb.

More expecting responses from the airlines in regards to other proposals. I remember the ones from before [US-JAN, WN-OKC, F9-SDF] were particularly catty.
 
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RE: SWA, JetBlue, US Air Apply For DCA Slots

Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:29 pm

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 45):
I remember the ones from before [US-JAN, WN-OKC, F9-SDF] were particularly catty.

Those were awesome, I was waiting for Southwest to file official notification that if US got the slots WN wanted, then WN was never, ever talking to them ever again.

Seriously, is there any timetable for when the announcement will be made?
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RE: SWA, JetBlue, US Air Apply For DCA Slots

Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:39 pm

I smell a rat with the US application. Didn't US pull out of OKC not long ago on the PHX route it inherited from HP? Unless they started CLT service, I don't believe there is much if any service there at the moment. It looks to me like they may be trying to use OKC as a bait to get more slots and then claim the route isn't doing well and switch them elsewhere.

B6 to JAX makes no sense either for the same reason. I can not possibly believe that B6 can make an A320 work on that city pair with no connections at either end.

WN with HOU is the most honest sounding one on here. There is demand for HOU service from DCA, and given the size of the WN operation in HOU, there is no risk at all of this slot being moved elsewhere.


Personally I think WN has the best case here. The other two applications look very fishy to me.
 
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RE: SWA, JetBlue, US Air Apply For DCA Slots

Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:59 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 47):
I smell a rat with the US application. Didn't US pull out of OKC not long ago on the PHX route it inherited from HP? Unless they started CLT service, I don't believe there is much if any service there at the moment.

Actually though the last time one of these slots was up for grabs WN proposed service to OKC... so it seems somebody thinks there's a market there. Also, it's my understanding that with this particular slot (AIR21), US would not be allowed to move it somewhere else after the fact... they'd have to surrender it back to DOT or whoever and let it be rebid. (And, US is proposing to also start CLT-OKC in conjunction with this new service.)

But I think you're right that WN will get the HOU flight, if for no other reason as a consolation prize for not getting OKC last time (they were up against US pushing for the JAN flight they basically already had, it was a bit convoluted.) But beyond that the WN proposal makes the most sense. (Seems to me that JetBlue was just looking for something, anything to propose to be in the game, but JAX isn't very inspiring.)
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RE: SWA, JetBlue, US Air Apply For DCA Slots

Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:23 pm

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 48):
Actually though the last time one of these slots was up for grabs WN proposed service to OKC... so it seems somebody thinks there's a market there.

With WN, OKC could have provided connections to DAL, HOU, DEN, LAS, PHX. Now with HOU, they'll still have all of those connecting opportunities plus some and a much larger O&D market that is currently monopolized by UA.
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