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Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:39 am

Good morning folks, on this bitterly cold Friday morning (and 71st anniversary of Pearl Harbor); I had hoped that we might stretch the last thread into 2013, but as we're at the 220+ mark, I thought it best to move on!

Here's the link to the last thread and there have been a fair few developments:

Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn! (by kaitak Nov 10 2012 in Civil Aviation)

- EU Commission looking increasingly likely to red-flag FR's plan to buy Aer Lingus
- Separation of Shannon and Dublin, and merger of SAA with Shannon development.
- Aer Lingus deal with Virgin over operation of domestic UK routes
- and quite a few other things I can't quite recall at this hour of the morning!

May I take this opportunity to wish all of the participants in the Irish threads a very happy Christmas and all the very best for 2013, and let's hope next year is a very good one for Irish aviation.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:33 am

I had the pleasure of reading the Clare People this week. The excitement of the Shannon task force is amazing. I really hope that they can live up to their plans, as they claim companies are lining up to employ people in the region, and are just waiting for the new airport authority to take over. Let's hope that Shannon has a bright future.

Secondly, Varadkar has ruled out an unsustainable deal with Ryanair - O'Leary has to realise that his bullying and negativity regarding irish aviation has a nefative effect on his airline.

I note that Transaero has launched a second direct service to Miami from Vnukova airport. No sign of this stopping in the west.
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:23 am

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
- Aer Lingus deal with Virgin over operation of domestic UK routes

Any news on this subject? Still no press release from EI: http://corporate.aerlingus.com/mediacentre/pressreleases/
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:21 am

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
May I take this opportunity to wish all of the participants in the Irish threads a very happy Christmas and all the very best for 2013, and let's hope next year is a very good one for Irish aviation.

The same to you and thanks for all the threads in 2012 .
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Good news for Belfast :

Bombardier in Belfast stands to gain from another major order for aircraft.

Delta Air Lines has placed a firm order worth more than £1bn for 40 CRJ900 NextGen aircraft which also includes an option for a further 30.

If the options are converted to firm orders the total value will be more than £2bn.

Bombardier Belfast is responsible for the design and manufacture of the centre fuselage, engine casings and composite wing components for the jet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20630140
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:34 pm

The Ryanair smartphone app has gone up from €2.99 to €3.59...and it still doesn't even have mobile check-in! Most airline apps are free and include all this!
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:34 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 4):
The Ryanair smartphone app has gone up from €2.99 to €3.59...and it still doesn't even have mobile check-in! Most airline apps are free and include all this!

Yes but remember that FR still don't apply fuel surcharges  
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:18 pm

Good news: The cession of Shannon-Liverpool by Ryanair is only a seasonal closure and will return for Summer 2013 with 3x weekly rotations - no change in frequency. The route is one of five of FR's seasonal "old reliables" to return - the others being Málaga, Nantes, Palma de Mallorca and Tenerife

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 5):
Yes but remember that FR still don't apply fuel surcharges

Mmm, this is true...   
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:22 pm

Nice shot of Hilary Clinton's ride into BFS:

http://www.belfastairport.com/en/news/
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:26 pm

I was just wondering, isn't there enough market between Cyprus and Ireland for a few weekly flights? Aer Lingus could also take advantage of connecting passengers to the US.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:02 pm

Quoting VCy (Reply 8):

There used to be a number of flights both scheduled and chartered. Helios ran some of them before their demise. Eurocypria the rest. Im surprised that CY or EI have not picked up at least once a week but the charters still run via the Tour Operators. The demand has also dropped over the last four years according to stats. Maybe thats what puts off any new service.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:33 am

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...o-up-aer-lingus-stake-3319805.html

Etihad wants to up its stake in EI if the FR takeover bid fails at EU levels.
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:01 am

A recent poll with regards to preference in Airports out of BFS/BHD

63% of air passengers prefer to use Belfast City airport, says poll

More than six out of 10 people in Northern Ireland would rather fly from George Best Belfast City Airport than its rival Belfast International Airport, according to an opinion poll.

And more than half think that growth at the City Airport is important to Northern Ireland’s future economic growth.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...ty-airport-says-poll-16247196.html
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:47 am

Virgin Atlantic Names Aer Lingus as Short-Route Partner

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Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd. chose Aer Lingus Group Plc (AERL) to operate U.K. routes feeding its long- haul services, the carrier’s first domestic flights, to help replace traffic lost when British Airways bought partner BMI.
Using aircraft carrying the U.K. airline’s brand, Dublin- based Aer Lingus will run a combined 24 flights a day linking Manchester, England, and two cities in Scotland with London Heathrow airport, Virgin Atlantic said today in a statement.
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/201...lingus-as-short-route-partner.html

Not much info on the Aer Lingus side of things, can probably expect more in the morning.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:39 am

Seems like a very hastily written article, badly worded.

Perhaps EI were waiting on VS to let the news out?
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:46 am

Just looking at CH Aviation's newsletter, they confirm that EI is to operate VS flights from LHR to MAN, ABZ, EDI and one I hadn't heard before NCE. L'Avion Express was originally to operate the flights.

Other news concerned Air Contractors who are taking delivery of an Airbus A300-600 EI-OZJ ( c/n 770) ex JAL. This could replace the one that suffered the nose-wheel collapse, which I believe is to be withdrawn.

I have also heard a rumour that RE are to sign the agreement for the new ATR72s this week. Rumour has it that the 42s are to be withdrawn first.

[Edited 2012-12-10 03:10:18]
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:48 am

One wonders with the EI/VS wet lease if they will lease 4 new A320 or utilise some of there existing fleet. The agreement is for 3 years initially. Perhaps EI are looking at using that cash pile to make some 'easy money (thats a relative term in aviation)
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:11 pm

I had understood by this that VS was wet leasing four of EI's existing fleet; that's quite a chunk out of the fleet for what will be the Summer season. It's not impossible that they could source A320s elsewhere (like Runway 11/29 at DUB!), but that's not exactly wet leasing them from EI, even if they use EI crews.

I still think that EI will be looking at any A319s which IB proposes to sell, to have commonality with the existing A319 fleet.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:21 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 16):
I had understood by this that VS was wet leasing four of EI's existing fleet; that's quite a chunk out of the fleet for what will be the Summer season. It's not impossible that they could source A320s elsewhere (like Runway 11/29 at DUB!), but that's not exactly wet leasing them from EI, even if they use EI crews.

I still think that EI will be looking at any A319s which IB proposes to sell, to have commonality with the existing A319 fleet.

I would really doubt if EI will take out four aircraft and the equivalent number of crew from their current operation.
I just don't see where they have such resources just lying around.
I think it's more likely that additional aircraft and crews will be contracted just for the duration of the VS contract.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:42 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 16):
I still think that EI will be looking at any A319s which IB proposes to sell, to have commonality with the existing A319 fleet.

Yes that seems to make sense IMHO.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:51 pm

Some A320's were due to come off lease this year, to be replaced by the remaining A319's. The leases on those units could simply be extended for the VS contract.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:50 pm

Came in yesterday on united from Washington. A good load in business but plenty of space in economy. Pity Iad is so unfriendly to transit passengers, long corridors and no moving walkways,.

When your inbound flight is over an hour late it does not lead to a relaxed experience. Must be good for cardiac doctors in the DC area as you run like mad from one end to the other.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:30 pm

I flew home from Manchester last night and on the climbout while looking out the window a green laser was pointed at the aircraft from the ground for a few seconds. The exact same thing happened again a while later just before leaving the coastline...are these incidents becoming more common now?
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:50 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 21):

Yes, i'm afraid they are alarmingly common now.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:18 pm

Aer Lingus has a new inflight experience page on their website, looks like they're finally showcasing their product properly! The pre-order menu is available as well, you can guarantee that Irish breakfast by printing off a voucher and then handing it to the crew.

Sky Dine has been launched on long haul with an enhanced economy meal, presentation looks very nice.

http://www.aerlingus.com/inflight-experience/

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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:08 am

http://www.aerlingus.com/inflight-ex...mfort-and-entertainment/shorthaul/

"Business Class seat on a selection of our European flights"..... say again? Something they want to tell us?
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:47 am

Speedbird 17V diverted to DUB this morning en-route from DEN to LHR. I don't know the reason why though. Doubt it was medical as he circled for quite a long time. Now on it's way to LHR.

Also an interesting article in the "Limerick leader" about whether SNN should be a 24 hour operation after it is separated from the DAA.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/lo...ransatlantic-emergencies-1-4572811
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:44 pm

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 24):
"Business Class seat on a selection of our European flights"..... say again? Something they want to tell us?

Good spot, I missed that one myself.

That would certainly be an interesting development. Looking to challenge BA on the DUB-LHR premium traffic. Then again perhaps it is a reference to the A330 they fly to Malaga during the summer season? (do they still do this?)
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:35 pm

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 24):
"Business Class seat on a selection of our European flights"..... say again?

I would guess that this is a reference to the summer A330 flight to AGP, if it was planned to add to LHR flights we would see an upgrade price noted.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:29 pm

Another 5% increase in pax numbers at DUB for November. Every route sector grew, except Domestic. Europe up 4%, UK up 1%, TATL up 11% and other long haul up
91%!

It's now very possible that the 19 million pax number will be reached for 2012, having dipped well below for the last two years. (Still some way to go to get back to 24 million tho!)
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:38 am

It's now been officially confirmed that EI will be among the first to move to LHR's new Terminal 2 when it opens in 2014.

Virgin's Domestic operations (to be operated by EI) will also move to T2.

http://mediacentre.heathrowairport.c...minal-2-airline-occupancy-3ea.aspx
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:39 am

Aer Lingus will also add 2 new meals to the menu on short haul flights from next month, Beef & Potato Salad or Chicken Noodle salad.



The beef and potato salad looks a little more appetising than Ryanair's hotdog with ketchup.  
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 29):
It's now been officially confirmed that EI will be among the first to move to LHR's new Terminal 2 when it opens in 2014.

I guess that means another new lounge is on the way then, would be nice to get a lounge with some natural light or a view of the apron at LHR.

Quoting eirbus06 (Reply 25):

Speedbird 17V diverted to DUB this morning en-route from DEN to LHR. I don't know the reason why though. Doubt it was medical as he circled for quite a long time. Now on it's way to LHR.

Possibly fog related? The London airports all suffered from it yesterday morning.

Quoting VFRontop (Reply 26):
That would certainly be an interesting development. Looking to challenge BA on the DUB-LHR premium traffic. Then again perhaps it is a reference to the A330 they fly to Malaga during the summer season? (do they still do this?)

As much as I'd love to see Aer Lingus A330s on the LHR route, I think you're right in saying it's more to do with the AGP route. I seem to remember the A330s visiting WAW and GVA during past winters as well, usually WAW gets a A332 around Christmas but not sure that still happens.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:44 am

EI have confirmed that Wi-Fi will be installed on the A320 fleet starting next year:

http://www.independent.ie/business/w...es-to-have-net-access-3325024.html

"AER Lingus is to provide customers on its European network with in-cabin internet access. The new service will be available on the Aer Lingus short-haul fleet from the middle of next year.The first aircraft to be fitted with the internet capability are expected to launch mid-2013 and will provide services via the KA-SAT satellite operated by Eutelsat Communications."

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms...em/30709-wi-fi-to-take-off-on-aer/

"Passengers of Irish airline Aer Lingus will be able to enjoy Wi-Fi during European flights when the company rolls out the service in the middle of next year.JetBlue Airways subsidiary LiveTV is providing the Wi-Fi service to more than 40 of Aer Lingus' aircraft."
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:00 pm

"Ryanair criticised as families of ill children forced to repack overweight luggage"
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1212/fam...dren-forced-to-repack-luggage.html

The article describes how as part of a surprice trip to Disneyland organised by the Share a Dream Foundation, families of three of the seriously ill children " had to check in twice at the Ryanair check-in desk after some of their luggage was found to be overweight.The families said they were annoyed and humiliated when they had to unpack some bags, which included their sick children’s medicines and other essential items, and repack into other luggage"

Share a Dream Foundation went on to describe the incident as a "disgrace".

An FR spokesman stated that Ryanair "regret the inconvenience caused, but are pleased that the families concerned avoided excess bag baggage charges by being given the opportunity to repack their bags."

Makes you wonder why Share a Dream werent more organised, or better yet why they didn't fly Aer Lingus who I'm sure would have been happy to accomodate the parties needs as well as maybe drum up a bit of good press.

In any case I hope the children and their families have a great trip.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:39 pm

Its Ryanair, like honestly should we expect any compassion? NO, just fly another airline, problem solved. The pope wouldnt get special treatment. These stories are non stories any more, its all expected and not news

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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:28 pm

I agree. The organisers should have known what to expect and informed the parents of the kids. I assume that each family received flight info and baggage info well beforehand. I know my kids have gotten info back before any of the foreign school tours we have managed to send them on. We knew if it was EI or FR about 2 months ahead of the departure.

I realise that these kids were a special case but unfortunately it is well known that FR do not accept 'special cases'.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:29 pm

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 31):
EI have confirmed that Wi-Fi will be installed on the A320 fleet starting next year:

Im looking forward to that and the results in terms of passenger numbers who will use it and the pricing structure of the package(s). Im sure it will be popular with business travellers on some key routes LHR/BRU/FRA etc.. The longer routes will make it more attractive to leisure travellers like Canaries etc...
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:23 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 30):
Possibly fog related? The London airports all suffered from it yesterday morning.

Yes I believe it was fog related.
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:33 pm

Its time for my annual trip home tonight with an EI BOS-SNN leg, which Im looking forward to.

I decided to crank things up a notch this year in terms of getting around so I'm flying BA DUB-LHR on Saturday morning and Flybe LGW-BHD on Monday evening. I'm looking forward to trying BA on the London route as well as experiencing BHD with Flybe. BA and Flybe ended up being quite a bit cheaper than EI for both of the flight dates I needed so I'll grab the opportunity to fly them with glee! I'll be heading back DUB-BOS with EI on January 6th then once again. I'll report back on my experiences along the way!
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:37 pm

A nice idea by Dublin Airport to bring some festive cheer to the Terminals :

Dublin Airport Christmas Entertainment Programme

Dublin Airport Launches Christmas Entertainment Programme As Christmas Day fast approaches, where better to start the Christmas season than at Dublin Airport as you are entertained with festive carols.Dublin Airport’s Terminals 1 and 2 will once again welcome visitors home to Ireland for Christmas and entertain those heading abroad this festive season with plenty of music from adult choral groups and choirs and orchestras from local schools, who always prove a huge hit with visitors.

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-...stmas_Entertainment_Programme.aspx
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:10 pm

And a nice treat for us next Summer, from AUH ...

Etihad's morning flight, EY 45/42, (arrives 06.40, leaves c.9am) will be a two class 77W ! The afternoon flight (which will be 4 weekly) will still be a 332.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:29 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 39):

Wow! Totally did not see that one coming!

One wonders if the EI codeshare is generating extra traffic to warrant this, with people foregoing Heathrow, and choosing the AUH option?
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:39 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 30):
I guess that means another new lounge is on the way then, would be nice to get a lounge with some natural light or a view of the apron at LHR.

Not necessarily. I believe the so called "green mile" is to remain, but be connected to the new T2, that is what previous renderings showed, but that may have changed now. At LHR I think departures can use any gate, not so sure about domestic UK arrivals though, they need to be kept separate to avoid re-screening when connecting, and border control when O&D. Where do the EI flights to BHD operate from? Presumably the "domestic" region of the green mile? Although, if EI is still bussing connecting passengers to flight connections, it doesn't matter so much which gate they use.

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 34):
I realise that these kids were a special case but unfortunately it is well known that FR do not accept 'special cases'.

I suppose that is the thing with FR. The rules are not bent in any circumstance, strict adherence and, as you say, no special cases. In FR's defence they are consistent which, as any parent will tell you, is vital!
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:48 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 41):
Not necessarily. I believe the so called "green mile" is to remain, but be connected to the new T2, that is what previous renderings showed, but that may have changed now

That is what I heard as well - but it will be demolished when the rest of T1 goes though. However once T2 opens, that is what I heard the plan was.
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:31 pm

Seems BA will continue LHR-DUB next summer but with quite a reduced schedule, down by 3-4 daily flights it seems!
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:47 pm

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 43):
Seems BA will continue LHR-DUB next summer but with quite a reduced schedule, down by 3-4 daily flights it seems!

Makes me wonder if they want to carry it on; it's just one step from that to zip; they've probably already marked those slots for long haul (there's a shock!) ... looks like we'll soon be back to the days of one carrier on DUB-LHR.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:55 pm

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 43):
Seems BA will continue LHR-DUB next summer but with quite a reduced schedule, down by 3-4 daily flights it seems!

Yup, just checked in Amadeus - 5 flights daily. Disappointing after WW's waffle - interestingly, BHD is only at 5 a day too, despite the big promises!

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 42):
That is what I heard as well - but it will be demolished when the rest of T1 goes though. However once T2 opens, that is what I heard the plan was.

I wouldnt necessarily trust those renderings - they seem to just show new additions. It's highly likely T3 will be hugely reconfigured to conform to the "toast rack" terminal design they are trying achieve for the whole airport. The green mile could never really be described as a permanent solution anyway, and it would be totally incongrous with the new T2.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:35 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 44):
Makes me wonder if they want to carry it on; it's just one step from that to zip; they've probably already marked those slots for long haul (there's a shock!) ... looks like we'll soon be back to the days of one carrier on DUB-LHR.

Indeed; their days on DUB-LHR would appear to be numbered. We're seeing a distinct lack of investment in their DUB-LHR product - the former BD lounge has been permanently closed, the route has been poorly marketed ever since the route launch and we're now seeing a significant reduction in frequency next summer. Not exactly the actions of an airline passionate about growing and developing a route in the long-term.

The cynic in me would say that the extra flights added this winter are merely slot warmers. BA will be more than happy to allow EI carry their pax as far as Heathrow once they're in a position to put those slots to better use. Give it maybe 18-24 months.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:48 pm

Quoting EI320 (Reply 46):
Indeed; their days on DUB-LHR would appear to be numbered. We're seeing a distinct lack of investment in their DUB-LHR product - the former BD lounge has been permanently closed, the route has been poorly marketed ever since the route launch and we're now seeing a significant reduction in frequency next summer. Not exactly the actions of an airline passionate about growing and developing a route in the long-term.

The cynic in me would say that the extra flights added this winter are merely slot warmers. BA will be more than happy to allow EI carry their pax as far as Heathrow once they're in a position to put those slots to better use. Give it maybe 18-24 months.

I doubt they will pull the route completely - EI are getting very close to Virgin now, and BA may find it loses the feed completely. Best to maintain that token presence and ensure a source of feed. A lot will depend on how EI's relationships with several interline / codeshare partners develop over the coming months.

Disappointing to say the least though - They did apparently put quite a bit of effort in developing relationships with the Irish travel trade.

It may simply be a case that EI, an airline with a significant cost advantage, is simply too tough a competitor.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:57 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 47):
I doubt they will pull the route completely - EI are getting very close to Virgin now, and BA may find it loses the feed completely. Best to maintain that token presence and ensure a source of feed.

On the other hand EI may be happy to keep the status quo, as in sending DUB-LHR pax to BA and DUB-LGW pax to VS.

Remember that this is just a 3 year wet lease, no mention of codeshares or increased interlining.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation 15/12: The Christmas Thread

Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:39 am

Well, it appears not only are EY putting the 773 on the morning DUB-AUH service, they are also adding two extra frequencies, making the evening service 6 times a week, A332, for a total of 12 weekly flights.

It shall be interesting to see what EK's competitive response shall be.....

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