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Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:29 pm

It's been a while since we have had one of these, and I'm not sure about the correct number, but the latest i found was number 30, please correct me if I'm wrong.

I can announce that LX is to get a new A320 with sharklets in march, unfotunately it will be the only example within the fleet for the time being, as all other do not/will not have them installed.

Secondly, I was looking for flights to Africa in may, and stumbled across QRs offer, saying that ZRH-DOH will be operated by their new 787s. Can anyone confirm that?

Thirdly, we're hearing here that LX's decision on the replacement of the A340s has been made, but I cannot disclose anything else at this time, I don't want to run into trouble  

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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:59 pm

Hi Sandro,

I noticed a Swiss A321 taking of from BUD to ZRH just now, I guess because of the cancellations yesterday. Nice change.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:23 pm

Hi Sandro,

Indeed it has been a while since we had this topic up and running!

Will it be a brand-new 320?

Also I can't wait to know what the 340 will be replaced with! 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:53 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Thread starter):
Secondly, I was looking for flights to Africa in may, and stumbled across QRs offer, saying that ZRH-DOH will be operated by their new 787s. Can anyone confirm that?

Yes, this is correct. Qatar Airways will start his Boeing 787 operations from both Geneva and Zurich pretty soon (very early 2013).
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:37 am

Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):

Enjoy!

Quoting DALCE (Reply 2):

Yes, it will be a new A320.

Quoting yamatthey (Reply 3):

Thx   
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:37 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Thread starter):
Thirdly, we're hearing here that LX's decision on the replacement of the A340s has been made, but I cannot disclose anything else at this time, I don't want to run into trouble

Thank's Sandro for the interesting info. I understand that you must tell about the 340 replacement. But do you probably know when SWISS will inform?
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:45 pm

I think the A340 replacement will be the B777ER. It is the only wide body with the least waiting time.

Any idea what LX will do with the two A333 which will be delivred next year, in March and October if I'm correct.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:52 pm

Quoting FlySwiss (Reply 6):
Any idea what LX will do with the two A333 which will be delivred next year, in March and October if I'm correct.

I guess they have to replace 340 on some routes for the "new" destination SIN.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:09 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Thread starter):
I can announce that LX is to get a new A320 with sharklets in march, unfotunately it will be the only example within the fleet for the time being, as all other do not/will not have them installed.

Aren't they also due a A321 in April? Will there be sharklets on that bird as well?

Quoting yamatthey (Reply 3):
Yes, this is correct. Qatar Airways will start his Boeing 787 operations from both Geneva and Zurich pretty soon (very early 2013).

So far only ZRH has been confirmed, along with LHR, double daily FRA and double daily MUC.

http://airlineroute.net/2012/11/30/qr-787-s13/

Quoting FlySwiss (Reply 6):
Any idea what LX will do with the two A333 which will be delivred next year, in March and October if I'm correct.

The PEK route will change to A333 on March 30th and will free up the A343s for the new SIN route. The A333 coming online in October should open up more room for expansion as far as I know.

[Edited 2012-12-10 13:09:52]
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:15 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Thread starter):
It's been a while since we have had one of these, and I'm not sure about the correct number, but the latest i found was number 30, please correct me if I'm wrong.

That's quite right.

Quoting FlySwiss (Reply 6):
I think the A340 replacement will be the B777ER. It is the only wide body with the least waiting time.

Ok I'm gonna say it'll be the A350 for the sake of fleet commonality.   BTW are we talking about a partly replacement or an entire sweep?
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:41 am

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 8):
The PEK route will change to A333 on March 30th and will free up the A343s for the new SIN route. The A333 coming online in October should open up more room for expansion as far as I know.

From what we heard in the past, IAD or AUH might be considered as new destinations.

For the 2 new 330's, do they come in the version with extended range which Airbus introduced recently ? It might allow Swiss to use the 330 for destinations like BKK
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:50 am

Quoting nyswiss (Reply 10):
do they come in the version with extended range which Airbus introduced recently ?

That is not available untill 2015
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:57 am

Last Ocotober LX received the 13th A333 HB-JHM. Which long haul flights did LX increase with this aircraft?
The only increased long haul destination I saw for the winter time table is Miami. But LX took the aircarft which flew 4 additional weekly flights to ORD during the summer.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:42 am

Quoting FlySwiss (Reply 12):
Last Ocotober LX received the 13th A333 HB-JHM. Which long haul flights did LX increase with this aircraft?
The only increased long haul destination I saw for the winter time table is Miami. But LX took the aircarft which flew 4 additional weekly flights to ORD during the summer.

I think the new 330 replaced 340 capacity needed for PEK.

The capacity for the 4 weekly rotations comes out the cancelled Cameroon service
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:18 am

Quoting FlySwiss (Reply 12):
Last Ocotober LX received the 13th A333 HB-JHM. Which long haul flights did LX increase with this aircraft?
The only increased long haul destination I saw for the winter time table is Miami. But LX took the aircarft which flew 4 additional weekly flights to ORD during the summer.

The most likely explanation would be that they have more aircraft in maintenance during the winter. There have also been quite a few short-haul flights operated with LX A333 in the past weeks to BCN, DUS, HAJ and GVA. There's also currently a LH 733 operating for Swiss that usually does two flights a day to each GVA and TXL.
Is LX short on short-haul aircraft or crews again? Maybe some LX insider can shed light on that topic.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:33 am

We had an LX A340 here at AMS a couple of weeks ago.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:20 am

Qatar will start using the B787 to ZRH from Jan 14th on:

http://airlineroute.net/2013/01/03/qr-muczrh-jan13/
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:52 am

Quoting FlySwiss (Reply 12):
Last Ocotober LX received the 13th A333 HB-JHM. Which long haul flights did LX increase with this aircraft?

HB-JHM will be operated by Edelweiss Air soon: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...-operate-a330-300-for-swiss-to-jfk
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:15 pm

Will HB-JHM be repainted in WK colors?
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:54 pm

Quoting DALCE (Reply 18):
Will HB-JHM be repainted in WK colors?

No, nothing will be changed.

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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:53 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Thread starter):

Aviation Week in th Dec 12 issue makes it clear the A340-600 will be used as stopgap until the A350-1000 arrives. With the reintroduction of Singapore, Swiss needs the fuel economy savings now.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:50 pm

Quoting nyswiss (Reply 10):

No, only for the A343.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:23 pm

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 20):
Aviation Week in th Dec 12 issue makes it clear the A340-600 will be used as stopgap until the A350-1000 arrives. With the reintroduction of Singapore, Swiss needs the fuel economy savings now.

Do I correctly understand that the 350-1000 is confirmed for SWISS? And till then they fly the 346 (from where?)?
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:06 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 22):
Quoting vegas005 (Reply 20):
Aviation Week in th Dec 12 issue makes it clear the A340-600 will be used as stopgap until the A350-1000 arrives. With the reintroduction of Singapore, Swiss needs the fuel economy savings now.

Do I correctly understand that the 350-1000 is confirmed for SWISS? And till then they fly the 346 (from where?)?

Not confirmed, just their opinion based on all the facts and fleet commonality issues (not to mention pilot shortage due to overtime rules). I would not think Swiss can afford to divide the pilot teams into Boeing and Airbus based on the fact that they don't have enough pilots now!
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:30 pm

Quoting nyswiss (Reply 10):
From what we heard in the past, IAD or AUH might be considered as new destinations.

IAD is already served by UA from ZRH. Given the amount of capacity between ZRH and the northeast, I doubt that LX would want to go there; however, IAH or DEN would be a feasible option as they are the only star hubs in the US without a direct flight from ZRH.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:02 pm

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 14):
Is LX short on short-haul aircraft or crews again? Maybe some LX insider can shed light on that topic.

A question I am very interested in too. How is Swiss European doing? Methinks that they are quite short on staff, as the 20 Avros will be replaced by 30 C's and I hear talk of the daughter company lending pilots to mother LX. Is that true?

Quoting ZRH (Reply 22):
Do I correctly understand that the 350-1000 is confirmed for SWISS? And till then they fly the 346 (from where?)?

From LH, which are replacing some A346 routes with the B748 and will continue to do so, given their large outstanding order of that aircraft.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:08 am

What I find interesting is that the rumours about LX getting some 346's are kicking back every now and then. Is there something confirmed yet from LX or LH?
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:53 am

Quoting DALCE (Reply 26):
What I find interesting is that the rumours about LX getting some 346's are kicking back every now and then. Is there something confirmed yet from LX or LH?

No, just rumors. Actually LH A346 have been ruled out by LX' CEO.

...but there are nice other frames available on the market in the right number (VS- 4 immediatly, 3 later).
disclaimer: this is a rumor.

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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:26 pm

Quoting yamatthey (Reply 3):
Yes, this is correct. Qatar Airways will start his Boeing 787 operations from both Geneva and Zurich pretty soon (very early 2013).

According to the res system the 787 will depart ZRH Mon, Wed and Fri at 11:20. Other days it's an A330.

That's a pain as I can't get down to the end of R34 to get a shot of it since I need to work.   
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:43 pm

There is a lot of confusion in the various forums about the "Edelweiss A330 to JFK". Some sources say that Edelweiss will operate one flight to JFK, with an aircraft owned by Edelweiss. Others say that it will be an LX plane but that cockpit and cabin crew will be from WK.

Maybe it's something inbetween, along the lines of the discussion above, i.e. that it is a plane that is owned by Edelweiss, operated by Edelweiss crew, but paint and interior design are Swiss. So anyone who doesn't look to carefully would think that this is like any other Swiss A330.

Anyone has some confirmed details about this? Wouldn't like to miss my usual LX F Cabin to JFK...
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:22 pm

Quoting mozart (Reply 29):
Anyone has some confirmed details about this? Wouldn't like to miss my usual LX F Cabin to JFK...

It will be HB-JHM. LX-c/s, LX-Interiors, LX-First, LX-Business, LX-Eco.
The a/c will be transferred to the AOC of WK to enable them to use WK crews on board. That is why GDS show it to be "owned by WK".

To the pax there will be NO difference.

Unlucky marketing by LX, though.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:26 pm

Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 24):
however, IAH or DEN would be a feasible option as they are the only star hubs in the US without a direct flight from ZRH.

With ZRH, DEN has about 23 O&D PDEW and IAH has about 13 O&D PDEW here.

Unless probably summer seasonal and less than daily, DEN could barely work. Even seems less so with IAH.

But nonetheless, it would be neat to see LX livery at DEN, but not at all holding my breath. Other EU areas have larger O&D from DEN, such as CDG, AMS, FCO and MUC, but none are *A hubs like ZRH except MUC. It's interesting that when LH flew MUC-DEN just a few years ago and this being hub-to-hub with only some 27 O&D PDEW; the flight booked full, but LH discontinued it supposedly due to cannibalism of premium pax from its FRA-DEN flight. Maybe if premium pax increase here, ZRH-DEN could eventually be a possibility.

As for IAH, you would think that will all of the oil $$$$ in the area, that there would maybe be a large Swiss market and that a lot of these people would like to be visiting their $$$$ there more often, and that there would be more pax here for a nonstop to be possible, but the low O&D pax numbers here surprise me. Probably GCM is an easier place to go to visit $$$$.



 
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:32 pm

Quoting ka (Reply 30):

Quoting mozart (Reply 29):
Anyone has some confirmed details about this? Wouldn't like to miss my usual LX F Cabin to JFK...

It will be HB-JHM. LX-c/s, LX-Interiors, LX-First, LX-Business, LX-Eco.
The a/c will be transferred to the AOC of WK to enable them to use WK crews on board. That is why GDS show it to be "owned by WK".

To the pax there will be NO difference.

Unlucky marketing by LX, though.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:47 am

ZRH and GVA both published the passenger numbers for 2012. Both saw growth ZRH (+1.9%), GVA (+5.9%). Total passenger numbers being 24.8 mio for ZRH and 13.9 mio for GVA.

Perhaps more surprising is when you look at both airport figures for O&D traffic (excluding all connecting passengers). ZRH's connecting traffic accounts for 35% of their passenger numbers whereas in GVA this is only 4%.

Local traffic only, ZRH had 16.2 mio passengers, whereas GVA had 13.3 mio. Seems weird to see both airports within 20% range for local traffic.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:55 am

And BSL 5'354'758 (+6%).

For 2013 a growth of 3% is expected.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:49 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Thread starter):
I can announce that LX is to get a new A320 with sharklets in march, unfotunately it will be the only example within the fleet for the time being, as all other do not/will not have them installed.

At some point not too long I assume we should see an order for the NEO as it will get time at some point to start replace the soon 20 year old majority of the A32S fleet.

Quoting ka (Reply 27):

No, just rumors. Actually LH A346 have been ruled out by LX' CEO.

The B777 / 787 doesn't make any sense in my eyes as the A330/340 or in the future A330/A350? seems to be the most economical for the SWISS business model. It is efficient enables more flexibility which is very much so needed with the staff shortage LX faces and probably will do so for a longer time. The only Boeing option that would make sense is a all B787 long haul fleet but this will not happen as SWISS obviously just got and is getting A333's.

Nevertheless it wouldn't be a bad idea to do something about the A343's at least the 5 oldest frames for which the A346 looks like a good temporary solution
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:40 pm

Can anyone tell me if AF canceled their BRN - CDG Route in April 2013?

I tried to book a flight without success.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:25 pm

Quoting timbuk (Reply 36):
Can anyone tell me if AF canceled their BRN - CDG Route in April 2013?

They cancelled BRN-ORY. BRN-CDG hasn't been served in a very long time.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:49 pm

Quoting Mozart (Reply 37):
They cancelled BRN-ORY.

Is it official ?
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:55 am

Yes, it is confirmed by AF in the local press.

Also TGV reduced trains from Berne to Paris from 2 daily to one daily and is thinking about dropping it.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:38 pm

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 39):

Thank you. Bad news for BRN but definitly an opportunity for Sky Work to fill the gap.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:46 pm

On vielfliegertreff.de it has been reported that LX will finally begin outfitting its A340 with the new First Class seats starting 2013.
Anymore information about this?

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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:36 pm

Hi everyone,

This is my first post in the forum, I finaly decided to join after a few years following the Swiss Aviation Thread!

I just read on bloomberg's website, that SWISS is also thinking about the Boeing 748i as the Airbus A340-300 replacement: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...de-following-parent-lufthansa.html

What are your thougths?


And by the way, any news about some (LH?) A340-600 joining the fleet (with the opening of SIN in May13?) ?


Regards,


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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:36 pm

Quoting phofmannsair (Reply 42):

Welcome to the Forum!   

There are a few interesting bits in the article you mention:

Swiss considering the A350, B777 and B748. Not the A380 though, which is too big for SWISS, Hohmeister says.
However, the article mentions that while the (LH) B748 has the same amount of first seats as the (LX) A343, it has twice as many in business and economy. That is a hefty increase in capacity methinks.

Quote:
Swiss is also working with Bombardier Inc. (BBD/B) on specifications for the 30 CSeries jets it has ordered, and that model, too, could win more purchases for a wider application across the group, Hohmeister said.

I didn't know that SWISS still has options on modifications of specifications for the C-Series. I had thought that the program is so far advanced that this wasn't possible anymore.

Also a little interesting hint beyond the borders of Switzerland:

Quote:
“We’ll develop it with Bombardier and if other Lufthansa units want it, it’ll be similar or the same,” Hohmeister said.

No real news that LX is struggeling a lot under the Franc, which make cost cutting very difficult.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:48 am

Does anyone have this Swissair book which was just released? It looks to be a very nice book, but I wanna be sure before I shell out $65

http://www.amazon.com/Swissair-Souve...359251063&sr=8-1&keywords=Swissair
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:25 pm

PrivatAir will lease HB-IEE to Equatorial Congo Airlines (EC Air).
The A/C will flew tomorrow to Manston for paint and will be refurbished there too.

No news if she'll be registrated before delivery to the african airline.


Regards,

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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:20 pm

Quoting phofmannsair (Reply 42):
I just read on bloomberg's website, that SWISS is also thinking about the Boeing 748i as the Airbus A340-300 replacement

This was discussed in this thread:

Swiss Considering 748 As 343 Replacement
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:08 pm

Haven't found any writen info about it however looks like ZRH has replaced all the jetbridges at the A Dock throught 2012. Now all jetbridges at ZRH have windows from bottom to top, really nice addition.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:46 pm

Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 24):
IAD is already served by UA from ZRH. Given the amount of capacity between ZRH and the northeast, I doubt that LX would want to go there; however, IAH or DEN would be a feasible option as they are the only star hubs in the US without a direct flight from ZRH.

I don't see DEN ever starting ever. I think LH's operation @ DEN can be tricky at times due to the demand. Perhaps IAH since it is a larger hub and does have international transit from Mexico, Central and South America, though I think that won't happen either. I think the only way for IAH-ZRH to work is to have UA fly it with a 76W or 787, or perhaps Privatair with a 73G/73H.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31

Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:34 pm

Unfortunately some more bad news for Berne airport...

SkyWork is dropping Belgrade and is reducing Zagreb to one weekly flight. Amsterdam and Vienna will see reduced frequency as well.

They will, however, launch a weekly Basel to Elba flight every Saturday for the summer season.
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