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MSP Blue Concourse - 1970s

Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:56 pm

I am in the preliminary design stages of a model airport and I am looking for layouts, terminal maps, or photographs demonstrating the gate layout and allocation for the MSP Blue Concourse during the 1970s. There is a thread here on A.net from 2007 with links to these types of things, but the links are no longer active. As I remembered from my childhood days (many years ago), Braniff had the first three gates in the alley,


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TWA had 1 or 2 gates along the outside edge, United had 1 or 2 along that same edge, and Western had 5 or 6 at the end of the concourse.

i am particularly interested in how/where Western parked their DC-10s. As I remember, they were on the corners. I do have photographs showing a DC-10 parked on the alley corner, where gate E13 is currently located , as can be seen in the background of this this:


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but, I have a vague memory of arriving in Minneapolis on a DC-10 that parked on the opposite corner where gate E14 is located.

Anything that could help refresh my memory would be greatly appreciated.
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RE: MSP Blue Concourse - 1970s

Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:52 pm

I have diagrams of MSP from 1972 and 1975 (from old copies of the OAG) and gate arrangements on the Blue Concourse are as follows:

Braniff: Gates 23, 25, 27
Western: Gates 29, 31, 32
United: Gates 24, 26, 28
Ozark: Gate 22 (there was an upper and lower level gate labeled 22 and 22A)

Ozark also had two gates (35 and 36) on the Green Concourse, alongside Eastern and Allegheny.

I don't believe TWA started service to MSP until after deregulation in 1978, and if memory serves they were located on the Red Concourse with NW and NC initially.
 
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RE: MSP Blue Concourse - 1970s

Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:32 am

Apparently, my memory is incorrect!

Thanx for the info...
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RE: MSP Blue Concourse - 1970s

Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:52 pm

Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 1):
located on the Red Concourse with NW and NC initially.

When I first started with CO in the early 80's I recall seeing a customers old boarding pass, stating "Red__".
Is that a false memory, or was it real? Also, is/was/are there any other airports, that used a colour system todesignate concourses? I also have a fascination with old terminal diagrams. And now with what looks like a career change on hand, I am looking into cartography with a bent on airport layouts as well.

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RE: MSP Blue Concourse - 1970s

Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:47 pm

If you're in the metro area, you could make an appointment with the MAC office and see if they have any additional information on gate layouts. Having been there before, they have some high resolution photos from various stages of the airport's development.

http://www.metroairports.org/mac/contact_us.aspx
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RE: MSP Blue Concourse - 1970s

Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:50 pm

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 3):
Also, is/was/are there any other airports, that used a colour system todesignate concourses? I also have a fascination with old terminal diagrams. And now with what looks like a career change on hand, I am looking into cartography with a bent on airport layouts as well.

I think when ATL's current terminal opened, its concourses were color-coded. There's a great site independent of the airport's that has info about both the old and current terminals (with "Peach" in the name) which demonstrates this, but I can't find it right now.

Also, the signs for each of PIT's four (at one time, five) concourses have a different color, though they still use the letter designations primarily: http://airchive.com/html/airplanes-a...pittsburgh-pa-usa/concourse-c/4570
A310/319/320/321/333, ARJ, BN2, B722/73S/733/734/735/73G/738/739/744/757/753/767/763/764/777, CR1/2/7/9, DH6, 328, EM2/ERJ/E70/E75/E90, F28/100, J31, L10/12/15, DC9/D93/D94/D95/M80/M88/M90/D10, SF3, SST
 
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RE: MSP Blue Concourse - 1970s

Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:27 pm

Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 1):
I don't believe TWA started service to MSP until after deregulation in 1978, and if memory serves they were located on the Red Concourse with NW and NC initially

They were located in the red concourse for quite a while. I remember them being there in the early 1990s. I used to see them on the red concourse when I made my beeline for the end of the red concourse when NW used to park their 744 making the morning hop to DTW there so that I could admire it. I'm not sure how long they stayed after that until the merger with AA.
 
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RE: MSP Blue Concourse - 1970s

Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:06 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 5):
I think when ATL's current terminal opened, its concourses were color-coded.

Negative. ATL midfield was T, A, B, C, D from the start. T was international only of course.
 
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RE: MSP Blue Concourse - 1970s

Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:22 pm

Quoting toltommy (Reply 7):
Negative. ATL midfield was T, A, B, C, D from the start. T was international only of course.

The ATL concourses did have color designations but they were very much a secondary designator and they weren't really utilized or promoted much. The colors appeared on maps but that's about it. Concourse A was red, Concourse B was purple, Concourse C was blue and Concourse D was green. The T gates (then the international concourse) didn't have a color - but T was added onto the midfield terminal after construction began and wasn't part of the original design.
 
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RE: MSP Blue Concourse - 1970s

Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:33 pm

Quoting CalebWilliams (Reply 4):
If you're in the metro area, you could make an appointment with the MAC office

Unfortunately, I am not in the Metro area, but in Santa Barbara, CA (but it is warmer)!

It is becoming apparent to me that I have blended several childhood memories into one incorrect one. Good thing these forums exist to straighten me out.  
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RE: MSP Blue Concourse - 1970s

Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:13 pm

Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 8):
The ATL concourses did have color designations but they were very much a secondary designator and they weren't really utilized or promoted much. The colors appeared on maps but that's about it. Concourse A was red, Concourse B was purple, Concourse C was blue and Concourse D was green. The T gates (then the international concourse) didn't have a color - but T was added onto the midfield terminal after construction began and wasn't part of the original design.

Yes...when I was a youngin' I clearly remember the color corrilation was part of the Battlestar Gallalactica voice on the train saying 'the color coded maps an signs in the vehicle match the station colors'. I found an audio of it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHzb98VG3NM

Thank you for the retro MSP info btw...I was based there for 5 years in the early 00s. The whole green/red/gold thing was before my time, but many of my coworkers still used the terms.
 
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RE: MSP Blue Concourse - 1970s

Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 3):
Also, is/was/are there any other airports, that used a colour system todesignate concourses?

Dallas Love Field had the Red, Yellow, and Green Concourses

http://web.archive.org/web/200805111...dterminals.topcities.com/love.html


Here is MSP in 1975

http://web.archive.org/web/200602110...inals.topcities.com/MSPmap1975.jpg


This is a fascinating web site about old airport terminals. You can only access it through the web archive tho

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RE: MSP Blue Concourse - 1970s

Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:46 am

Quoting deltacto (Reply 11):

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 3):
Also, is/was/are there any other airports, that used a colour system todesignate concourses?

Dallas Love Field had the Red, Yellow, and Green Concourses

http://web.archive.org/web/200805111...dterminals.topcities.com/love.html


Here is MSP in 1975

http://web.archive.org/web/200602110...inals.topcities.com/MSPmap1975.jpg


This is a fascinating web site about old airport terminals. You can only access it through the web archive tho

Great site!
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