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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:07 am



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART LI

"Tribute to SAM COLOMBIA in Central America"

SAM was the acronym of "Sociedad Aeronautica de Medellin" and it sustained a close commercial relationship with Avianca.
I found information since the 60s concerning to their former operations in the isthmus.
Confirmed destinations: Guatemala City, Tegucigalpa, Panama City, San Jose.
Confirmed equipments: Lockheed L-188 Electra, Boeing 720, Boeing 727 series, BAe 146





Any expansion in the forum would be appreciated.

Edited on December 09th, 2012
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:38 am

Talking about SAM Colombian airlines, not sure if they also flew to SAL (when it was Ilopango MSSS), scheduled or charters..
After SAM was gone, so was the scheduled SJO-ADZ, haven't heard of any other airline flying that route again.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:03 am

From the top of my head: I can almost remember SAM flying BOG-ADZ-SJO-GUA with 727 series in the late 80s. IATA designator: MM.
They also served the SJO-TGU segment for a little while in the 80s.
LACSA flew the SJO-ADZ segment in the 70s and prior to the 727 era. SAM flew the same route with Electra turbo-props.
Speaking about SJO, the BAe 146 was utilized sometimes in the 90s. During the early years of this century, AV operated the BOG-SJO sector using the MM designator for their flights.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:08 am

Yeah I remember seeing them at GUA in the old terminal config. They usually used gate 1
nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:55 pm

Gotta love those Electras!
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:51 pm

Panama government orders Tocumen INC to stop bid From www.prensa.com in Spanish
The Panamanian government ordered government owned Tocumen INC to stop the bid for the improvement and re-furnishing of the airport immigration and customs area.
As it's, even as the number of arriving passengers is no-where near the connecting ones, Tocumen immigration and customs is a shame, tight, small and really overcrowded several times per day.
Sadly, it looks like it's going to remain the same until the South Terminal is completed and hopefully all immigration and customs procedures will take place there.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:10 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
Gotta love those Electras


You gave material for the name of future threads: "Electras in Central America" We can speak about those local airlines who owned this kind of turbo-props: COPA, LACSA, SAHSA, the former TACA and so on.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 1):
After SAM was gone, so was the scheduled SJO-ADZ, haven't heard of any other airline flying that route again


TACA has barely operated the SJO-ADZ sector twice a week as charter flights attending the Decameron Resorts from the island. These flights are usually deploying the 100-seater E-90.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:06 am

according to another thread AV/TA just ordered some ATRs

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...ncataca-orders-15-atr-72-600s-1212
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:21 am

SAM Colombia never had BAE-146, They operated 10 Avro RJ100's.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:36 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):
AV/TA just ordered some ATRs


TACA REGIONAL has utilized second-handed ATR-42s.
I understood AV/TA has opted for 15 brand-new ATR 72-600 series based on the experience of their regional planes utilized in Central America.

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Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:02 am

Where will they use them? Perhaps they will be used to create smaller banks in SAL and SJO? Maybe add a regional turboprop hub at GUA?
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Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:40 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 10):
Where will they use them? Perhaps they will be used to create smaller banks in SAL and SJO? Maybe add a regional turboprop hub at GUA?

They will retire the ATR42 and bring the ATR72 to Guatemala, so routes GUA-FRS, GUA-SAP, GUA-TGU will be on the new ones.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:51 pm

Does anyone know if CO (now UA) are bringing their usual widebodies to SAL, GUA etc over the holidays?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:29 pm

I read today Copa is increasing Cancun to 5X daily, all 737operation... looks like a good route for Copa.

I assume most of that traffic to Cancun is from South America?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:51 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 13):

I read today Copa is increasing Cancun to 5X daily, all 737operation... looks like a good route for Copa.

I assume most of that traffic to Cancun is from South America?

Maybe the odd person off of KLs AMS flight....
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:30 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 13):
I read today Copa is increasing Cancun to 5X daily, all 737operation... looks like a good route for Copa.

Even worse scenario to see CM in MID.
In southern Mexico CM E190 PTY-VSA.HUX-PTY route may look interesting some day soon.
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:39 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 15):
Even worse scenario to see CM in MID.

MID would work. How about a PTY-BZE-MID-BZE-PTY....there is MID-BZE traffic.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:22 pm

For all of us pilots and aviation lovers alike in Central America, there is an Air Rally scheduled in 2013 in our mid continent.
More information:
http://airrally.com/2/rally.htm
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Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:57 pm

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:36 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
MID would work. How about a PTY-BZE-MID-BZE-PTY....there is MID-BZE traffic.

So much wishful thinking.
I really doubt México would allow CM traffic between BZE and MID or anywhere in Mexico.
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Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:46 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
I really doubt México would allow CM traffic between BZE and MID or anywhere in Mexico.

That is not mexico's to give. as the midpoint it would be Belize's rights....and CM can have those anytime it wants.
Dont forget CO used to operate IAH-MID-BZE-MID-IAH with full traffic rights (I know cause I used to fly it BZE-MID). It believe it was in the 90's they used to do that.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:48 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 20):
That is not mexico's to give. as the midpoint it would be Belize's rights....and CM can have those anytime it wants.

I don't think CM has any Mexican frequencies left to use for MID.
Last Mexico gave CM MTY, PVR and SJC.
If CM could get Mexico to allow it to fly to other Mexican cities than PVR and SJC, surely CM would ask for TLC way before MID if none the frequencies can be used for extra flights to MEX.
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Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:33 am

IF CM wants to fly to MID, the Yucatan Gov't will make it happen.....
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Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:04 pm

Any guesses on which "Americas" carrier is behind the undisclosed C-Series order yesterday. The quantities involved strike me as latin and it would be a perfect "smaller aircraft" for CM. Would be ideal for Caribbean and smaller mexican / latin destinations
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:30 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 23):
it would be a perfect "smaller aircraft" for CM

After all that investment in adding the Embraer aircraft to an all Boeing 737 fleet, CM would drop the Brazilians and go Canadian?
Would look like the kind of order Latam or Aeroméxico would place..
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:40 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
So much wishful thinking.
I really doubt México would allow CM traffic between BZE and MID or anywhere in Mexico

Mexico wouldn't grant that, Aeromexico's management would go insane if that happnes... AM's management knows people in some high-up places

Several years ago AM's CEO made a few phone-calls demanding Malaysia's LAX-MEX rights to be remove. the rest is history
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:41 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 25):
Mexico wouldn't grant that,

Don't be so sure...times are changing in Mexico.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:47 pm

December has almost come and gone and Tropic Air is still waiting on it Mexican approvals to start BZE-CUN. This was promised in Oct from the Government of Mexico.

One has to wonder if Tropic will get frustrated and used the equipment elsewhere....maybe RTB or LCE
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:08 pm

Hello guys, someone here can tell me if these rumors are circulating there too?

According to CM staff here in MAO, CM is searching the potential market for LET-MAO, to compete with T4 (TRIP AZUL), TRIP flies an ATR to TBT, the border sister city of LET, people in the Amazon have no road options, they can either stick to the 6 DAYS boat travel in order to reach the border towns with colombia and Peru! or take the up to 500 usd return regional TRIP flight!

PS- for a few years now, most of south american citizens don't need passports to visit or transit in each other for up to 90 days, so that could help a loooooooot!

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:12 pm

"December has almost come and gone and Tropic Air is still waiting on it Mexican approvals to start BZE-CUN. This was promised in Oct from the Government of Mexico."

That'd would be a really good route for them (if they get it).. But If they're waiting on the Mexican government, well............
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:36 pm

Confirmed new flights in Central America next year:

United. Washington Dulles - Guatemala City
UA 1606.....IAD 09:00.......GUA 11:33.......Sa.......738
UA 1658.....GUA 12:40.....IAD 19:26.........Sa.......738
Effective: April 13th

United. Washington Dulles - San Jose
UA 1180.....IAD 09:00.......SJO 11:46.......Sa.......738
UA 1623.....SJO 13:25......IAD 20:10........Sa.......738
Effective: April 13th

United. Chicago O'Hare - San Jose
UA 1187.....ORD 08:15.......SJO 12:21.......Sa.......738
UA 1651.....SJO 13:01........ORD 19:24......Sa.......738
Effective: April 13th




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Quoting andrefranca (Reply 28):
CM is searching the potential market for LET-MAO

Perhaps any tag-on for the existing CM BOG-LET 7x weekly.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 22):
IF CM wants to fly to MID, the Yucatan Gov't will make it happen

I don't think any tag-on called BZE-MID would be within the interests of Copa Airlines.
If the Panamanian airline might fly some day in Belize City, it would operate in a similar pattern like CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 21):
CM would ask for TLC

Copa Airlines looks like well positioned at CM PTY-MIA 33x [December 10 - January 26], CM PTY-MEX 28x weekly and CM PTY-GRU 28x weekly.
I'm not sure if they would fly in alternative airports later such as Ft. Lauderdale, Toluca and Campinas respectively.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:46 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 30):
United. Washington Dulles - Guatemala City
UA 1606.....IAD 09:00.......GUA 11:33.......Sa.......738
UA 1658.....GUA 12:40.....IAD 19:26.........Sa.......738
Effective: April 13th

Another Saturday only flight... well better than nothing, right?
nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:40 pm

Quoting aer (Reply 31):
Another Saturday only flight... well better than nothing, right?

UA IAD-SAL 7x weekly is hitting stronger than UA IAD-GUA 1x weekly and UA IAD-SJO 1x weekly, in terms of their weekly frequencies. TA SAL-IAD usually operates more than 2x daily flights.
The interesting question consists to determine if UA would fly to Panama City, in spite of CM PTY-IAD 14x weekly.
The former UA operated the SJO-ORD segment almost ten years ago.

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Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:14 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 30):

I'm based at IAD. You can see the IAD-SAL United banners everywhere around the airport. UA wants a piece of this market
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:43 am

I think it would be perfect for UA if they fly SFO-PTY-SFO overnighting at PTY and leaving at 6AM to arrive in the morning bank. A schedule like that would enable a lot of Asians connections from PTY.
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Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:17 am

Quoting g500 (Reply 33):
the IAD-SAL United banners everywhere around the airport. UA wants a piece of this market

The former UA was code-sharing with TA SAL-IAD for years, but it seems that the schedule and frequencies never satisfied completely to the airline, given the incursion of UA SAL-IAD 7x weekly with its own metal since December 19th.

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Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:14 am

Quoting SHAQ (Reply 34):
I think it would be perfect for UA if they fly SFO-PTY-SFO overnighting at PTY and leaving at 6AM to arrive in the morning bank. A schedule like that would enable a lot of Asians connections from PTY.

could the 73G make this? I think it would have to be a 752

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 35):
The former UA was code-sharing with TA SAL-IAD for years, but it seems that the schedule and frequencies never satisfied completely to the airline, given the incursion of UA SAL-IAD 7x weekly with its own metal since December 19th.

Expect to see lots more IAD stuff over the next 18 months....IAD-SAP/BZE/MGA are all in the cards
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:09 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 30):
Perhaps any tag-on for the existing CM BOG-LET 7x weekly.

How about CM/P5 MAO-LET-IQT?

Quoting SHAQ (Reply 34):
I think it would be perfect for UA if they fly SFO-PTY-SFO overnighting at PTY and leaving at 6AM to arrive in the morning bank. A schedule like that would enable a lot of Asians connections from PTY.

That wouldn't work for CM hub. CM's hub 1st departures are around 0715, however a SFO-PTY 0600 arrival may suit CM, albeit with limited connections.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 36):
could the 73G make this? I think it would have to be a 752

It could.
If CM is forced to order B737-900ER in order to add capacity to destinations where CM can't add frequencies, then 2B737-800 would be the same as 1 B737-900ER and 1 B737-700.
A B737-700 with Sky interior would be ideal for a PTY-SFO non-stop, but surely if CM wants to fly B737-700 to SFO better have that aircraft with a configuration carrying less passengers than their standard B737-700.
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Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:45 pm

PTY expected to break 6million passenger mark before years end from www.prensa.com in Spanish
Until October 5.7 million passengers used PTY, a one million increase for same 10 month period 2011.
6.8 million passengers are expected to use PTY 2013, a figure which could double when the new terminal would be ready.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:17 am

Air Transat is operating these season some unusual charter flights routed as Panama City - Liberia - Edmonton.




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Quoting SHAQ (Reply 34):
it would be perfect for UA if they fly SFO-PTY-SFO overnighting at PTY and leaving at 6AM to arrive in the morning bank. A schedule like that would enable a lot of Asians connections from PTY.
CM PTY-LAX is already operating up to 3x daily flights some days where immediate connections heading to Asia through selected Star Alliance members are now possible.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 36):
IAD stuff over the next 18 months....IAD-SAP/BZE/MGA are all in the cards


Notice that these stations have very limited or non-existing weekly frequencies out of EWR.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 37):
How about CM/P5 MAO-LET-IQT?


I expect this flight would be originated either at BOG or PTY.
I'm not convinced if this pattern really fits into their schedule allocations.




Special message: Happy 2013 to all the posters and followers from the Cent Am aviation series !

[Edited 2013-01-01 18:22:56]
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:12 am

Did Easy Sky have another accident? I am told that they ceased operations and that CMairlines is assuming their routes and pax

Wait, I just found the story....apparently they did....

http://avherald.com/h?article=45b73654

[Edited 2013-01-02 16:42:58]
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:58 am

Here's the summary of the main topics related to the Central American aviation landscape throughout the 2012.
Sorry for the delay due to New Year's day celebrations !         


January 01: TA LIM-CUZ-PEM 7x weekly New flight
January 02: TA CUZ-AQP 3x weekly. New flight
February 29: AeroPerlas stopped their operations
March 03: PM BZE-RTB. New flight
March 12: PM BZE-SAP. New flight
April 16: AM MEX-SAL: 7x weekly 73G New flight
May 31: KX GCM-PTY 2x weekly 733 New flight. Seasonal
June 01: TA/LR SJO-BOG-BSB. New flight
June 02: TA SJO-MTY 3x weekly. New flight
June 02: TA LIM-BSB 3x weekly. E90. Discontinued
June 10: CM PTY-CUR 3x weekly E90 + 1x weekly. 73G New flight
June 17: TA SAL-ORD 2x weekly. Discontinued
June 21: AV/TA + CM entered into Star Alliance
June 21: 4O SJO-MEX 7x weekly. New flight
June 23: CM PTY-REC 4x weekly. 73G New flight
June 24: CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly. E90 New flight
June 27: CM PTY-LAS 5x weekly. 738 New flight
June 29: TAG from Guatemala may acquire Saab or CRJ-200
July 07: AM CUN-SJO 7x weekly. New flight
July 11: BV FCO-HAV-MGA-FCO 1x weekly. 763. New flight.
July 13: TA won the Skytrax. 4th consecutive year. Best airline Cent Am/Caribbean.
July 20: CM may order the 737 MAX version. First plane: 2017
July 14: CM PTY-IQT 2x weekly. E90. New flight
August 24: TA LIM-MDE 3x weekly + TA LIM-CLO 3x weekly. Non-stop service
September 17: 9V BLA-PTY 2x weekly. New flight
October 28: KL AMS-PTY 5x 77W + 2x772. No more MD-11s
October 29: WS YYZ-LIR 2x weekly. 738 New flight
November 17: AA MIA-RTB 1x weekly. 738 New flight
December 19: UA IAD-SAL 7x weekly. New flight


Highlights:

CM added more than 7x weekly frequencies at UIO, GYE, CUN, PUJ, MDE, JFK, CTG, SJU, SCL, MIA, LIM, IAD, SJO and GRU.
TA announced the integration into AV mainline as soon as the first half of 2013.
The following stations received new airlines in 2012: SAL - PTY - SJO - RTB - LIR - MGA
The following stations operated new destinations in 2012: BZE - SAP - PTY - SJO - LIR - MGA - RTB.


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Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:24 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 41):
March 03: PM BZE-RTB. New flight

Never started, but will this year along with CUN
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:00 pm

Seems like CM will be starting PTY-BOS.

Is it me or those this seem like a way to discourage B6 from Starting PTY.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:50 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 43):
Is it me or those this seem like a way to discourage B6 from Starting PTY.

As long as it gives GUA more possibilities with B6, they should start right away hehehe.

Seriously, it's a great addition, but I'm a bit skeptical on market size.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:52 pm

Quoting aer (Reply 44):
As long as it gives GUA more possibilities with B6, they should start right away hehehe.

Seriously, it's a great addition, but I'm a bit skeptical on market size.

Im with you on both statements!
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:35 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 43):
Seems like CM will be starting PTY-BOS.

That's on JUL10 according to sources.

Quoting aer (Reply 44):
Seriously, it's a great addition, but I'm a bit skeptical on market size.

I'd not underestimate PTY (hub) - BOS.
I'd have liked a different schedule not those 14 hours between PTY-BOS and BOS-PTY in BOS tarmac but CM may be able to offer Star Alliance connections @ BOS then.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:42 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 43):
Seems like CM will be starting PTY-BOS.

CM 718..........PTY 11:46............BOS 18:16..........Daily...........73G
CM 719..........BOS 09:54............PTY 14:28..........Daily...........73G
Effective: July 10th

Source: amadeus.net




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 43):
this seem like a way to discourage B6 from Starting PTY.

I've never thought B6 BOS-PTY as a viable possibility for the airline as they're getting a very limited schedule in Central America. Furthermore, B6 JFK-LIR will be discontinued in June.




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Quoting aer (Reply 44):
it's a great addition, but I'm a bit skeptical on market size.

The hypothetical B6 BOS-PTY may work totally different compared to CM PTY-BOS. Copa Airlines has so far the advantage.
CM has indeed demonstrated a great potential for their US routes. For instance, CM PTY-LAS was rapidly upgraded in terms of weekly frequencies prior to its first flight.
My perception is that all the US flights operated for CM are practically packed. This could be confirmed analyzing how CM PTY-MIA goes from 33x to 35x weekly on June 17th, CM PTY-LAX goes from 19x to 21x weekly on July 09th and CM PTY-MCO goes from 21x to 28x weekly on July 02nd. These flights are mostly loaded with passengers from Central and South America and the coming CM PTY-BOS 7x weekly may follow a similar behavior.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:20 am

This is a nice surprise for me however it seems to be a well though move (as all of the CM moves)   

any idea on how ORD and YYZ loads are doing ?

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51

Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:55 pm

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 48):
any idea on how ORD and YYZ loads are doing ?

I'd guess CM is wishing the bilateral didn't restrict CM to 4 weekly scheduled frequencies to Canada.
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