YXD172
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Is YUL Using Mobile Lounges?

Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:24 am

I just noticed that YUL recently opened Gate 62 as an expansion to their international pier, and it sounds like they may be using mobile lounges (presumably from YMX?) to service remote stands. From the press release:

"With seating capacity for 420—the equivalent of two normal boarding lounges—the new Gate 62 is
equipped with a new bridge designed to handle three passenger transfer vehicles at once to transport
passengers to aircraft parked at remote stands."

Does anyone know any more about this? It'll be cool to see them in use again up here! I'm guessing that it'll be the charter carriers that use the remote stands for boarding (AFAIK these will be the first 'bus gates' in YUL), though I can hope that AC will for my flight!

Press release: http://www.admtl.com/UploadedFiles/A...andissementjet%C3%A9einter-ANG.pdf
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RE: Is YUL Using Mobile Lounges?

Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:45 am

There is actually one gate area that can accommodate 2 busses simultaneously, I believe, it is gate 53 (I quickly looked a map on their web site, it's not mentioned), in the "B" international area. Yes they are the same buses that were used in YMX.
Personally, I have only used it once, on a Mexicana flight about five years ago during the summer, at the arrival, before the plane was staying overnight. I believe it is only used during peak times.

I'm pretty sure AC never uses it.
 
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RE: Is YUL Using Mobile Lounges?

Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:46 am

They've been in use at YUL for some time now...Gate 53 I believe is solely for PTVs (passenger transfer vehicle).

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RE: Is YUL Using Mobile Lounges?

Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:55 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 2):


They've been in use at YUL for some time now...Gate 53 I believe is solely for PTVs (passenger transfer vehicle).

Nevermind then, I thought it was just the new gate that had them!

Other than YUL and IAD, are there any other airports using the lounges? The idea has always intrigued me, as inefficient as using solely lounges is I still feel that it would be a neat experience.
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RE: Is YUL Using Mobile Lounges?

Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:04 am

They were using them at least as far back as 2010. There were two groups of remote stands; directly north of the international terminal (aka the middle of the ramp) and directly north of the cargo terminal. AF parked their 340s in the former and TS was the main tenant of the latter, mostly with A310s.

There was a specific name for both ramps, I just cannot recall what they are. East/West maybe?
 
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RE: Is YUL Using Mobile Lounges?

Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:11 am

Quoting YXD172 (Reply 3):
Other than YUL and IAD, are there any other airports using the lounges? The idea has always intrigued me, as inefficient as using solely lounges is I still feel that it would be a neat experience.

JFK used them for quite a while as well.
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RE: Is YUL Using Mobile Lounges?

Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:30 am

MEX also uses them

Quoting YXD172 (Reply 3):
Other than YUL and IAD, are there any other airports using the lounges? The idea has always intrigued me, as inefficient as using solely lounges is I still feel that it would be a neat experience.

MEX also uses them at T1, the same than in YUL.
 
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RE: Is YUL Using Mobile Lounges?

Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:46 pm

Along with the extension of the international jetty (6 more gates, bringing the total to 16 gates), they are building 5 or so remote stands on top of the current ones already available on the north side of the apron. These will surely come in handy in winter, when all the gates at the international terminal are full, what with all the charter flights going down south and the regular scheduled international flights.

I think we will see the PTV's at YUL for a long time to come. Either that or YUL is going to have to invest in a few passenger buses.

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RE: Is YUL Using Mobile Lounges?

Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting YXD172 (Reply 3):
The idea has always intrigued me, as inefficient as using solely lounges is I still feel that it would be a neat experience.

Well... try arriving on an 8 hour overseas flight and *all* you want to do is get up, stretch your legs, and walk around a bit. Instead, you must wait for the vehicle to show up, hope you get on the first one, then shuffle into what is essentially another packed tube, then putter around for 10 more minutes while it grinds and creaks its way to the terminal...

I've put in my time on mobile lounges and hope I never have to repeat that "neat experience"  
 
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RE: Is YUL Using Mobile Lounges?

Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:55 pm

Quoting auroralives (Reply 8):
Well... try arriving on an 8 hour overseas flight and *all* you want to do is get up, stretch your legs, and walk around a bit. Instead, you must wait for the vehicle to show up, hope you get on the first one, then shuffle into what is essentially another packed tube, then putter around for 10 more minutes while it grinds and creaks its way to the terminal...

I can certainly understand your concern, but I have found the opposite with regard to the PTVs.

Every time I have used them, (maybe a dozen times in the last 10 years), they have been waiting for us when we arrive, and often they use the rear door as well, unloading from both ends. When you do head toward the terminal, they drop you within steps of Customs and Immigration. No long walk, no tunnel, no moving sidewalk.

I have never timed it, but I am betting its quicker than a (far) bridge.
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RE: Is YUL Using Mobile Lounges?

Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:32 am

Now that I think about it, RAM, Thomas Cook and Air St. Pierre all used the remote stand at some point while I was at YUL. Yes, Air St Pierre's ATR loaded from a PTV! It 'kneels down' and theres a metal ramp that extends to the ground, and the pax ground load.

I rather like the PTVs. From a ramp perspective, its much easier than a regular bridge or ground load. Yeah, there is one more piece of GSE moving around the aircraft, but theres usually much more space to maneuver at a remote stand than a bridge gate. I may catch some heat on this website for saying this, but it is always a good thing when the passengers stay off the ramp, which removes their ability to desire to do silly things like smoke, run around, try to go pat the dog being loaded , etc. And yes, I have seen all of these things.

In particular, at YUL it is cool to see an AF 340 parked 100 m or so from Air Creebec or Air Labrador down at the western end of the satellite terminal.
 
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RE: Is YUL Using Mobile Lounges?

Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:04 am

Quoting auroralives (Reply 8):

Well... try arriving on an 8 hour overseas flight and *all* you want to do is get up, stretch your legs, and walk around a bit. Instead, you must wait for the vehicle to show up, hope you get on the first one, then shuffle into what is essentially another packed tube, then putter around for 10 more minutes while it grinds and creaks its way to the terminal...

Understandable, but I've never minded busing from remote stands either, and the PTVs just mean that you don't have to brave the cold/rain!

Quoting longhauler (Reply 9):

I have never timed it, but I am betting its quicker than a (far) bridge.

I'd have to agree with you, though I'm guessing it's more annoying on the departing end - having to board the PTV a bit earlier to get off on time. Still not too much longer though...
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RE: Is YUL Using Mobile Lounges?

Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:07 am

Quoting auroralives (Reply 8):
Well... try arriving on an 8 hour overseas flight and *all* you want to do is get up, stretch your legs, and walk around a bit. Instead, you must wait for the vehicle to show up, hope you get on the first one, then shuffle into what is essentially another packed tube, then putter around for 10 more minutes while it grinds and creaks its way to the terminal...

Thing is, try arriving on an 8 hour overseas flight when all you want to do is get up, strech your legs, and walk around a bit and instead getting stuck in the aircraft for the next 6 hrs because there is a snowstorm, no way for the aircraft to reach the gates and no way to get off the plane on your own two feet. I think that was the reasoning behind the design of airports with PTVs...