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Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:03 am

http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot....-aqz-b777-29mlr-iraqi-airways.html

Seems like Iraqi Airways has taken delivery for the white 777-200LR originally destined for Air Austral
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:20 am

Indeed!

YI-AQZ 777-29M(LR) c/n 40993. Delivered on 5/12.
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Interesting, glad to finally see it delivered. Was really sad seeing it sit there all this time.
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:45 am

What are they going to fly it???

Do they really need this kind of plane?? IMO I don´t think so....
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:36 am

I don't think they need this plane unless it is connected to a post made earlier last week about possible resumption of Iraq- America flights? Their longest routes at the moment are to Malaysia and India if I'm not mistaken?
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:42 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 1):
possible resumption of Iraq- America flights?

BGW-IAD this could be interesting. However, I think this would require new government level agreements to be signed.

On the other hand, gas is cheap in Iraq so that they may not care if they fly inefficiently and utilize the 77L on routes that could be served by smaller planes.
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:53 am

Quoting ordwaw (Reply 5):
On the other hand, gas is cheap in Iraq so that they may not care if they fly inefficiently and utilize the 77L on routes that could be served by smaller planes.

That´s not a reason to hire an inefficient plane for the mission, the management should only care about the correct plane for mission, if they can do money with the B77L ad is not correct i´m sure they can do more with the correct plane.

Quoting raffik (Reply 4):
possible resumption of Iraq- America flights?

For that the plane could make sense, but for India and Malaysia they can do much better with a much cheaper to operate B767.
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:06 pm

BGW-IAD is only 5600 nm. Most WBs can easily do that mission more efficently, including the B-777-200ER. Maybe they need the extra payoad capability of the B-77L over the B-77E?
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:11 pm

Quoting ordwaw (Reply 5):
On the other hand, gas is cheap in Iraq so that they may not care if they fly inefficiently and utilize the 77L on routes that could be served by smaller planes.

For the thousandth time, the 77L is not inefficient at all... from I think 2000nm and up it is in fact more efficient than flying a 772 around. It is just a too expensive asset for that purpose and if you have no need for the cargo or range it can fly around, then you are much better flying an A333.

However let's not forget that Iraq is not really a cold climate place to fly out from, and I do believe they will make use of the greater uplift as well as the extra cargo it can carry.

I have no doubt they could have had better choices, but maybe they also received a good deal on this example?
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:24 pm

Quoting raffik (Reply 4):
possible resumption of Iraq- America flights?

Iraqi Airways never flew to the USA before so it's not a resumption. There might be one or two pics in the database of Iraqi 747s in the US but they were only cargo flights to pick up weapons sold by Rumsfeld and Cheney to Saddam in the 80s. Never ran scheduled or pax.

I doubt they'll start now - there are "contractors" in the "security" business going from the US to Baghdad but the natural market of tourists, family visits and non-military business is very small - can easily be handled by connecting through Austrian Airlines via VIE or Emirates via DXB. I would think the 777 would be more likely to show up on high density regional flights where there is real demand eg Dubai, Tehran; if there's long haul to be done, it's maybe Kuala Lumpur or London.
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:27 pm

Iraqi Airways (or the government of Iraq) will buy everything that other airlines doesn't take up:

1x A320-200 (Air Berlin ntu)
2x A321-200 (Blue Wings ntu)
1x A330-200 (AirAsia X ntu)
1x B777-200LR (Air Austral ntu)
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:55 pm

Its also the only -200LR delivered from Boeing this year
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:22 pm

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 8):
It is just a too expensive asset for that purpose

Given the niche nature of the 77L and this one sitting around without an owner, I would imaging that Iraqi Airways accepted an offer they couldn't refuse.
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:43 pm

Is it in IA livery?

There a refernce link at wikipedia that suggests JFK was served with with passenher flights for a while, why would an article mention random weapons charters?

777 would work for Jeddah on a regular basis, currently JED is only served for hajj by IA.

A320 is gone now, it was a short term lease, BTW are all these aircraft bought or leased?

[Edited 2012-12-15 06:05:49]
 
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I would think that they simply received an irresistible discount. Boeing obviously wanted someone to take it up and it was probably not built for EK's standard specs which is the only other airline that would possibly
be interested in it.
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:42 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 6):
That´s not a reason to hire an inefficient plane for the mission,
Quoting PEET7G (Reply 8):
For the thousandth time, the 77L is not inefficient at all..

My point was that IA got the 77L not by design or choice but rather because ....

Quoting viasa (Reply 10):
Iraqi Airways (or the government of Iraq) will buy everything that other airlines doesn't take up:

I agree that 77L is a very efficient plane. However, if you use it to carry 100 people over 1000nm then you are using it very inefficiently. But if it was a matter of availability and price, then they can afford to use it in such an inefficient manner.

If you asked me, I hardly see any reason that they would need 77L. The only remote possibility I could agree with is

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
Maybe they need the extra payoad capability of the B-77L
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:35 pm

It is a shame it never entered revenue service with Air Austral. This is the only known photo of F-OLRB in the air.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-A...stral/Boeing-777-29M-LR/2132776/L/
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:15 pm

In the late 80's there was a huge Iraqi Airways ticket office located in the lobby of the McGraw-Hill Building on 6th Ave. in Manhattan. Every time I'd walk by it I'd look in and check it out. It was strange they'd have such a large office since they didn't have flights out of JFK. In the history section of the Iraqi Airways website it says they were granted approval to fly into JFK back in the 70's, but once they got an aircraft large enough to fly the route (a 747), the route was never activated. Once the office was closed it still remained there for a long, long time just kind of deteriorating as time took its toll. It then became creepy to look in the windows and see this big deserted office with everything in total decay. Creepy in a good way.
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:29 pm

Two things
one, it could just be they wanted a big plane for national and airline prestige ..
two , it will become a state VIP a/c

interesting I can find no pictures of this plane as delivered..
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:55 pm

Where will they fly this 77L too? JFK? IAD? FRA? LHR?
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:01 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 18):
two , it will become a state VIP a/c

This was my first thought when I saw it, great prestigious airplane for head of state!

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Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:06 pm

But they have a 744 playing that role already.
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:17 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 12):
Given the niche nature of the 77L and this one sitting around without an owner, I would imaging that Iraqi Airways accepted an offer they couldn't refuse.

The 77L is in no way a niche. It is a long haul aircraft capable of flying ultra-long-haul if necessary. It is more efficient than the 77E on most missions, and one can notice that most operators don't do ulh operations with them.
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:19 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 18):
interesting I can find no pictures of this plane as delivered..

There's a photo of the aircraft at Baghdad here
 
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Quoting kanban (Reply 18):
interesting I can find no pictures of this plane as delivered..

Definitely happened. I heard it on HF around 2330z on the edge of Edmonton FIR using reg as callsign, was on a polar routing. Sounded like a Boeing crew.

Likely to have left BFI still in all white colours as the BFI spotters wouldn't have missed this if it had been painted, that is for sure!
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:27 pm

I can think of a number of 777-200LR operators who probably would have considered a "cheap" 777-200LR, so it may very well be that Iraqi Airways was willing to pay more for the plane than anyone else, and therefore won the bird.
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:49 pm

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 14):
I would think that they simply received an irresistible discount. Boeing obviously wanted someone to take it up and it was probably not built for EK's standard specs which is the only other airline that would possibly
be interested in it.

Winner WInner Chicken Dinner! I think this was a win win deal for both parties. Boeing gets to dump an aircraft to an airline that can not really afford to be all that picky about configuration or specification and the airline gets a great deal on a long haul aircraft.
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Exactly, PIA dropped out on buying three brand new Philippine Airlines 744 ntu beacuse Boeing was wanting a large amount to reconfigure the planes to their specs in 1999.
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:23 pm

If it will be the same livery as the Bombardier in the background, it will be very dull on this 777...
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:35 pm

Quoting goldenargosy (Reply 17):

In the late 80's there was a huge Iraqi Airways ticket office located in the lobby of the McGraw-Hill Building on 6th Ave. in Manhattan. Every time I'd walk by it I'd look in and check it out. It was strange they'd have such a large office since they didn't have flights out of JFK.

IA also had an office here in Los Angeles.

However its existence was for more nefarious reasons then selling tickets.

See during the Iran-Iraq war, the US funneled various assistance to Iraq from open economic aid, to sale of dual use technology, military intelligence, to even special ops training.

Being that much of the US defense sector was California based, the office turns out was a front to coordinate such activities. Additionally with the large freshly arrived Iranian diaspora in Los Angeles, the office served as a intelligence conduit to garner information from them and their families about things in Iran.

Later on it turns out the office was raided and closed by the authorities when it was also discovered some employees were caught with weapons and in involved in some bizarre plot.
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:41 pm

The CRJ in the background seems to have an ANA stlye livery and not the Bombardier house design that was dumped on IA.
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:21 pm

Anyone have other shots of that cr9???
 
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put it in paint and zoom, does not seem to be an IA aircraft.
 
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Maybe it was part of the 787 delay compensation. After all, the 787 is hopelessly delayed, and this aircraft wasn't going anywhere...
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:51 pm

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 33):
After all, the 787 is hopelessly delayed,

Isn't that a bit of a stretch, given deliveries are accruing, even with the most of the program development delays already behind Boeing?



Quoting 777way (Reply 32):
put it in paint and zoom, does not seem to be an IA aircraft.

I sure hope they at least consider a livery change. The Triple Seven is a beauty, even with the all white paint, and Iraqi's old livery wasn't attractive, IMHO. Also it reminds us of the despot Saddam days, which I think most would like to forget.



[Edited 2012-12-15 14:02:56]
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Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 33):
Maybe it was part of the 787 delay compensation.

According to Wikipedia, their first 787 is not due until 2019, so a bit early to be compensating them, IMO.  

Evidently IA did consider for a time swapping the 787s for 777s, so perhaps the A330-300 and 777-200LR were purchased due to actual need and not just because Airbus and Boeing were desperate to off-load some white tails.
 
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Quoting goldenargosy (Reply 17):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 29):

Any pictures of these offices? Also does it still exist in NYC?
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):

BGW-IAD is only 5600 nm. Most WBs can easily do that mission more efficently, including the B-777-200ER. Maybe they need the extra payoad capability of the B-77L over the B-77E?


Across a 5600nm stage, a 777-200LR is nearly 4% more efficient than a 777-200ER

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I gotta ask, after spending over six years in Iraq as a contractor and going through BGW, are there ANY knowledgeable personnel running IA?

Every time we went through there, it was always a bit of a cluster ****.

I'm glad IA scored a 77L as it's my favorite aircraft and would love to see it in a new, updated IA livery. Best of luck to IA.

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Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 34):
Also it reminds us of the despot Saddam days, which I think most would like to forget.

hunh?

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 38):

Livery was tweaked, it wears lighter shade of green and the bare metal or grey belly and engines now painted white., a CRJ is sporting this look since several months, as is the single 732 but this is minus the wavy top.
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:26 pm

So will IA paint this aircraft into their current livery anytime soon? Those ex-AirTran 73Gs IA is flying around have yet to be repainted!
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:40 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 9):
Iraqi Airways never flew to the USA before so it's not a resumption.

They flew to JFK in the '70s & '80s. In the mid 2000, the flew 3 X weeeky to IAD using a B-767-200ER, a former AC airplane, N526PH as 9L-LFF.
 
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I thought the 762 was only for govt. use, doubt those were regular passenger flights to IAD.
 
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Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 33):
Maybe it was part of the 787 delay compensation. After all, the 787 is hopelessly delayed, and this aircraft wasn't going anywhere...
Quoting Stitch (Reply 35):
According to Wikipedia, their first 787 is not due until 2019, so a bit early to be compensating them, IMO.

IA has never firmed up their B-787 order, it is only a LOI, at best at this point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders_and_deliveries
 
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 43):
IA has never firmed up their B-787 order, it is only a LOI, at best at this point.

The 787 and 737 orders are listed on Boeing's O&D page and the Wikipedia page under the Republic of Iraq.
 
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Quoting pdxswa (Reply 16):
It is a shame it never entered revenue service with Air Austral. This is the only known photo of F-OLRB in the air.

You can find more pictures on Flickr.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/6876069710/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/7416657818/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/planephotoman/6877050086/
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Quoting PEET7G (Reply 8):
For the thousandth time, the 77L is not inefficient at all... from I think 2000nm and up it is in fact more efficient than flying a 772 around.
Quoting gigneil (Reply 37):
Across a 5600nm stage, a 777-200LR is nearly 4% more efficient than a 777-200ER

     

It seems we forget this sometimes. It has also been mentioned previously (if I remember correctly) that if 77L was offered earlier we would have seen more orders and less for the ER version.
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Quoting goldenargosy (Reply 17):
Creepy in a good way.

Ok, that's a new one.

Quoting MH017 (Reply 28):


If it will be the same livery as the Bombardier in the background, it will be very dull on this 777..

I agree. The green wave livery is actually one of the best there is/was in the world. It would be great to see that on a 77L.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 29):

IA also had an office here in Los Angeles.

No kidding... Interesting post. Was it downtown?
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Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 48):
No kidding... Interesting post. Was it downtown?

No it was on Sunset Blvd - close to little Armenia.

If you want another fun one - Iran Air had a LA office also -- abandoned for a long time - street side in Beverly Hills on Wilshire.
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Quoting 777way (Reply 39):
Also it reminds us of the despot Saddam days, which I think most would like to forget.

hunh?

What part of that wasn't clear?
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