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Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:10 pm

A great find of fellow member Seljuk at a.de

http://www.flickr.com/photos/51091426@N07/8269394771/

Timeline of Destination to be inaugurated:

15.12. Niamey-Ouagadougou 3/7
19.12. Isfahan 2/7
20.12. Douala-Yaounde 4/7
26.12. Kermanshah 2/7
23.01. Libreville 3/7
15.02. Colombo 5/7
02.03. Luxor-Assuan 3/7
01.04. Houston 4/7
20.04. Gassim 4/7
30.04. Rotterdam 3/7
20.05. Abha 3/7
21.05. Santiago de Compostela 4/7
25.05. Malta 3/7
27.05. Salzburg 4/7
30.05. Asmara 3/7
04.06. Marseille 4/7
17.06. Constanta 3/7
18.06. Tallinn-Vilnius 3/7
21.06. Luxemburg 4/7

Destinations with no inaugural date:

Kharkov 4/7
Luanda 3/7
Abuja-Kano 4/7
Caracas 4/7
Mexico 4/7
Boston 4/7
Havanna4/7
San Francisco 4/7
Montreal 4/7
Kuala Lumpur 4/7
Njamena 4/7
Juba 3/7
Katmandu 3/7
Masar-i-Sharif 3/7
Friedrichshafen 3/7
Lankaran 2/7
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:55 pm

My dear... Wonder his sources, TK internal presentation? Unbelievable expansion coming up in first half 2013 it seems. The FIDS at IST surely will be a sight to see once these are running!

[Edited 2012-12-16 13:57:45]
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:13 pm

Will this make IST the most internationally diverse airport in the airport in terms of unique destinations....Wow!!!
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:39 pm

Just a few weeks ago, Turkish announced that they flew to the most countries of any airline--90+, I believe.
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:53 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 1):
Wonder his sources, TK internal presentation?

Looking to the other pictures, must be a presentation while Temel Kotil gave a conference at Bocconi University in Milano

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 1):
The FIDS at IST surely will be a sight to see once these are running!

Surely it will  
Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 2):
Will this make IST the most internationally diverse airport in the airport in terms of unique destinations....Wow!!!

at least with International destinations
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:21 am

Do they have the planes for all of this expansion?
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AM, BA, B6, CO, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WN
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:01 am

Good for TK! We'll have to see how this shapes up, but I hope for the best. TK is easily one of the finest carriers I've had the pleasure of flying with and I will gladly toast their successs!
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:17 am

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 5):

Do they have the planes for all of this expansion?

There is a photo in the same photo set that shows fleet growth plans for 2013-2017 (not including the pending narrowbody order): http://www.flickr.com/photos/51091426@N07/8270459138/in/photostream/ According to this, there will be net growth of 14 frames in 2013.
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:26 am

Wow, great sources!

Temel Kotil spoke about 33 new destinations in 2013. When I count the list, there are 31 of them.
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:27 am

http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-in...ate/investor-relation/presentation

The September presentation has most of the details, by January the December Issue should be ready as well.
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:20 pm

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 3):
Just a few weeks ago, Turkish announced that they flew to the most countries of any airline--90+, I believe.

And with this Expansion plan, I guess no Airline will overtake that title in the near future

related topic by LAXintl

Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries (by LAXintl Nov 14 2012 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:28 pm

I thought TK's would increase capacity in Brazil soon.
Since there is no 77W available for increasing frequencies to GRU, TK should launch a new destination that could be reached nonstop by a 332.
QR considers launching BSB, for that airport has a significant government traffic and has three domestic hubs of main Brazilian carriers.
That airport offers new opportunities for TK, like including Chile to its network with the rectilineal route IST-BSB-SCL.

[Edited 2012-12-17 06:31:54]
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:56 pm

Nice to see LUX on the list. Do you guys know which equipment they will use on this route ?
A319, A320, A321, A333, A346, B733, B735, B73G, B738, B744, B748, B757, B767, CRJ200, CRJ700, CRJ900, EMB135, EMB145, E1
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:53 pm

Looks like TK is using the 738/739 range to its fullest. The flight from IST-NIM is 5:46!
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:27 am

Quoting LH7478i (Reply 12):
Nice to see LUX on the list. Do you guys know which equipment they will use on this route ?

everything in the fleet according to the actual booking situation; however, they tend to prefer the A319 with recently added destinations. nevertheless 319/320/321/737/738/739 are all options.
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:32 pm

http://www.kap.gov.tr/Yay/Bildirim/Bildirim.aspx?id=253427

New Destinations are announced to the Istanbul Stock Exchange.

Aqaba, Jordan
Bamako, Mali
Bogota, Colombia
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:27 pm

They have now 37 new destinations on their wish list. 2 of them will begin definitive 2013; Houston and Santiago de Compostela. Others are planned data. According to Temel Kotil, THY will open 33 new destinations in 2013.

Abuja-Kano, these two are waiting now for over a year (THY announced it to Stock exchange in Nov 2011). Why they are waiting so long for approval?
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:06 pm

Quoting jreuschl (Reply 13):
Looks like TK is using the 738/739 range to its fullest. The flight from IST-NIM is 5:46!

I have flown many West Bound transcons in the US lot longer than that.
I have done IST-NBO on a 738 and that was long. TK 739ERs have additional tanks that makes longer routes possible, especially in Africa.
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:08 pm

I have it on good authority that BRS will be added to the list of upcoming destinations soon.


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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:35 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 5):
Do they have the planes for all of this expansion?

Do they have the technical, managerial and safety resources to support that kind of expansion? That would worry me much more.

BTW, having been around for a while also means that one has seen it all befotre. Right now they are copying BN . The difference is that BN had no government support.
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:10 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 19):
Do they have the technical, managerial and safety resources to support that kind of expansion? That would worry me much more.

I have only seen this question being asked about TK. What makes you think TK management less capable than others? What I can tell you, TK takes advantage of an important skill which many other airlines lack in their management and employee level, which is passion towards their job.
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:10 pm

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 20):
which is passion towards their job.

That's an emotion. Especially when it comes to technical matters, emotions should stay out.

My question was free of emotion and based on life experience. A rapid expansion needs a solid foundation. Especially when that expansion is fuelled by political goals and backed by the government. The question is reasonable, why do you react that way?

TK needs to recruit pilots, technicians and engineers to cope with that expansion, do they train their own staff, do they have the resources? There are many valid questions, I recently checked the fare from FRA to TLV and they charge about 60% in C from what LH charges. That's fine, as long as they collect adequate fares from Germany to IST, which is backed by a solid ethnic traffic and take the transit as bonus

Still, that kind of expansion has been seen before, sometimes with bad results.
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:49 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 21):

Agree with you, only though, TK is not unprecedented in its expansion - look at EK in the last 10-15 years. Look at airlines like B6 or FR which didn't even exist (or were miniscule) until very recently. As long as mgmt stays on top of everything, I don't see why it shouldn't work.
 
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:17 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 22):
look at EK in the last 10-15 years. Look at airlines like B6 or FR which didn't even exist (or were miniscule) until very recently. As long as mgmt sta

Yes, but EK bought expats from all over the world, starting with the top management, pilots, crew. B6 and FR could tap a local market with many pilots and crew available, whereby local in Ireland is all 27 EU members. At least FR could stop flying tomorrow and still would make money as a leasing outfit. They have no obligation to their crews, they are outside contractors. No comparison with what TK is up to.

I wish TK good luck, will be interesting to watch how they tackle that problem.
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RE: Turkish Major Expansion Timeline

Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:05 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 21):
TK needs to recruit pilots, technicians and engineers to cope with that expansion, do they train their own staff, do they have the resources?

AFAIK, TK has a small percentage of foreign pilots (5-10%) and started hiring foreign FA's also. Not familiar with the techinicians/engineers but I don't see a problem.
We are talking about a TK fleet of 200 planes today; going up to 230 planes in 5 years in a country of 75 million people. I am sure TK can find enough technicians/engineers from around 80,000 graduates a year with engineering degrees plus 2 Grad programs with Aerospace Engineering.

TK has its own flight academy since 2007 and sends pilot candidates to Florida for training since 2010. Total pilot candidates from these two ventures around= 200 a year. Turkish pilot friends here can have more say on this matter.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 21):
That's fine, as long as they collect adequate fares from Germany to IST, which is backed by a solid ethnic traffic and take the transit as bonus

That is why LH has so many flights to Turkey also; serving the same ethnic traffic and taking the same transit pax as bonus. (plus LH/TK joint venture, Sunekspress). LH like BA, KL, AF, LX, AZ, IB enjoyed this transit pax for many years. Now Turks can fly to almost anywhere in the world with TK, nothing wrong with that.


Here is the details from earlier this month, thanks to "LAXintl": Load factor/ IST vs. Transfer pax perc./ Connecting to...

Tel Aviv / 75% / 48 vs 52% / JFK, PVG, PEK, BOM, DEL

Quoting tkfan (Reply 62):
do you have the same numbers (O&D vs. transfer, and top destinations) for the German Airports.

Here are a few German airports.

Berlin / 81% / 54 vs 46% / IKA, GYD, BEY, DEL, BOM
Dusseldorf / 83% / 67 vs 33% / AMM, JED, GYD, PVG, DEL
Hamburg / 78% / 50 vs 50% / BEY, MHD, IKA, DEL, TLV
Frankfurt / 84% / 61 vs 39% / TBS, KBL, IKA, GYD, FRU
Munich / 79% / 61 vs 39% / IKA, BEY, GYD, PVG, TLV


I think the bigger issues with this expansion still are; the capacity at IST, the inconsistency of service on board the planes, ease of transfers, the standards at call centers/ground desks, website experience and crisis management training.
And big smiles all around and we have a great airline competing with the best in the world!

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