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Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:48 pm

Every winter Ryanair, like many other Northern Hemisphere airlines reduces its schedules to match reduced demand. This winter, Europe-wide schedules seem to be cut back more than they have been in previous years.

With many bases like Bournemouth effectively closed until March 2013, where do they park the excess 737-800s over the winter, or do they go to the Southern Hemisphere on short term leases?
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:27 pm

I think there are 2 aircraft parked in Gates 57 and 58 here in Manchester. I've definitely seen 2 aircraft sat here for some time now (at least a week or 2).
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:49 pm

Formation parking at BHX I believe. May be as many as 6 there?
 
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:05 pm

There are 3 aircrafts based at FKB but only 2 are used for operations. It seems that the third one comes from MRS for the winter. It is not a specific 73H which is grounded, it changes everyday.
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:09 pm

A fair number are parked at STN, but the aircraft that are inoperative rotate in and out of service and there are not specific aircraft in storage for the winter.
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:35 pm

If I may: What do the employees do during winter?
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:39 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 5):
If I may: What do the employees do during winter?

I know that Cabin Crew can only operate 900 hours per year, so they tend to have busy summers and quiet winters to balance the 900 hours over the year.

Also Ryanair in the past have been known to employ crew on seasonal contracts for the summer periods so they have crew extra flight attendants for the busy summer months.
 
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:47 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 5):
What do the employees do during winter?

Hibernate?               

MOL should try it.               
 
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:55 pm

I'm sure there are roughly 20 parked up at STN and a load more at their various Hubs. As said above some are rotated and some they nick various parts from to keep others on the air.  
 
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:59 pm

Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 6):
I know that Cabin Crew can only operate 900 hours per year, so they tend to have busy summers and quiet winters to balance the 900 hours over the year.

Thanks, that makes perfect sense.

Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 6):
Also Ryanair in the past have been known to employ crew on seasonal contracts for the summer periods so they have crew extra flight attendants for the busy summer months.

As does this - in this regard, their needs and hiring practices won't be too different from e.g. hotels on the Mediterranean.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
Hibernate?

MOL should try it.

Quite so.   
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:43 am

Perhaps some being parked in BUD?
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:42 am

Seems like a good time to perform heavy maintenance on the aircraft.
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:31 am

Quoting aloges (Reply 5):

If I may: What do the employees do during winter?

I know that the pilots have a month of self sponsored vacation some time during the winter months.
 
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:11 am

Quoting aloges (Reply 9):
As does this - in this regard, their needs and hiring practices won't be too different from e.g. hotels on the Mediterranean.

  

Every so often, someone on a.net puts something into a really sensible perspective, as you just have. Thanks.

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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:58 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
Hibernate?

MOL should try it.

Yeah, great idea. So they can test drugs, they also could use to sedate* passengers, which then can be stacked about each other in the aircraft. After MOLs wish for standing passengers, this would be another milestone in his improvement in Ryanairs smart business concept.

  


*The sedation fee surely will be just only bitsy 10 Euros!   

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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:04 am

They park everywhere, split in every base, i think.

In KUN they have based 3 aircrafts, but only 1 is flying regulary.

Eventhough, during 2 weeks Christmas period they add flights on many routes so it is almost summer-style utilization on those days.
 
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:23 am

Quoting aloges (Reply 5):
If I may: What do the employees do during winter?

The Pilots reach the maximum 900 hours in less than a year so this winter reduction works complimentary with this.
 
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:42 am

Quoting david_itl (Reply 2):
Formation parking at BHX I believe. May be as many as 6 there?

There were certainly six parked in formation on the 70's stands when I visited about a week ago
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:45 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 12):
I know that the pilots have a month of self sponsored vacation some time during the winter months.

Yup, My girlfriend is Cabin Crew at FR and she actually have 4 months of self sponsored vacation... or as they call it ¨Unpaid leave¨

It was either that, or fly just a few days during the month which is economically unviable when you have to pay for accomodation and transport.

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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:02 pm

What a question! Did anyone expect that FR is paying the fuel and the crew costs for positioning flights from the airport where the aircraft are based to a winter hibernating spot in the Med and then back in March? Plus deadheading for the crew twice. Shocking waste of money.

Logic dictates that air craft stay where they are and that airport does not pay for parking either.

I do also like the term "self sponsored vacation". Service employees are needed by hotels in the Alps during winter.
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:31 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 19):
What a question! Did anyone expect

Why so abrasive? He just asked which of FR's destinations are used for "aircraft hibernation", what's wrong with that?
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:37 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 19):

Logic dictates that air craft stay where they are and that airport does not pay for parking either.

The aircraft are usually not put into longtime storage. They are parked, but kept ready to fly and rotated every few days.
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:38 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 19):
Did anyone expect that FR is paying the fuel and the crew costs for positioning flights from the airport where the aircraft are based to a winter hibernating spot in the Med and then back in March? Plus deadheading for the crew twice. Shocking waste of money.

Not necessarily. Parking an aircraft that's going to be idle for several months is best in a dry climate, which is why many US carriers store their aircraft in desert areas. I'm not referring to aircraft that have been retired but to those out of service for a few months.
 
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:38 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 19):
Plus deadheading for the crew twice. Shocking waste of money.

Cabin crew pay for their own flights (discounted, but sometimes can be more expensive than the regular fare). Also now it is impossible for staff to book flights through the staff travel system unless they are at base, it can only be booked on the intranet system.
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:40 pm

As far as I am aware none of Ryanair's aircraft are exactly parked up for the full winter months.

What Ryanair seems to do is rotate them on a weekly or fortnightly basis. So an aircraft that has been parked up for the last fortnight could be flying today and aircraft flying last week could be parked up for the next two weeks.

When I have flown into STN and DUB previous winters I have seen 20 odd aircraft parked up at both airports in the far corners of the apron.

If Ryanair or any airline for that fact parked up an aircraft for 4-6 months and was not used, would it have to go through any major maintenance checks before going back into day to day operations? I was just wondering if this was the case and hence why Ryanair rotate aircraft that are parked up.
 
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:44 pm

There's a small fleet parked at PIK .
 
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:57 pm

I understand times are tough, but working for a company that only gives you 900 hours per year is pretty tough in itself. I assume that they have this policy to avoid paying full benefits?

Were the hours this low when the economy was booming?

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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:05 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 24):
So an aircraft that has been parked up for the last fortnight could be flying today and aircraft flying last week could be parked up for the next two weeks.

Exactly. Up to two weeks of parking there are no special maintenance tasks required above overnight parking in cold weather. Beyond 2 weeks e.g. the engines will have to be preserved and the longtime storage tasks accomplished.
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:01 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 20):
Why so abrasive?

I don't like the smilies. If it was abrasive then that was regarding Scrooge O'L.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 27):
Exactly. Up to two weeks of parking there are no special maintenance tasks

It was mentioned nbefore that they rotate the aircraft at the bases.

I am sure that my opinion is correct, as little ferry flying as possible. They have a reputation to lose.
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:19 pm

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 23):
Cabin crew pay for their own flights (discounted, but sometimes can be more expensive than the regular fare). Also now it is impossible for staff to book flights through the staff travel system unless they are at base, it can only be booked on the intranet system.

I was talking about pilots. However I would not be surprised if they had to pay for their way home if the company sends them to fly an aircraft to an airport in the Mediterranean to park it there for the winter.

Back to your reply - isn't FR so cheap that staff travel could mean they have to pay their staff to fly them? Now I use a  
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:36 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 29):
However I would not be surprised if they had to pay for their way home if the company sends them to fly an aircraft to an airport in the Mediterranean to park it there for the winter.

There are some concessions and pilots who turn up in uniform can fly in a jump seat for free. Ironically, the uniform is something you must have bought at the commencement of your contract - so even these seats aren't free in the truest sense of the word.

With regard to FR pilots, the majority of them are on a Brookfield contract which is essentially a 0 hour contract after you've been through their type rating programme. You get work if they need you, you don't if they don't need you - simple as that!
 
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:50 pm

Quoting CaptCufflinks (Reply 30):
You get work if they need you, you don't if they don't need you - simple as that!

They could not achieve their financial results any other way. There's basically no overhead

The legacy carriers could never work on that base, not even for their low cost affiliates. How long that type of modern slavery is sustainable remains to be seen.

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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:55 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 31):
They could not achieve their financial results any other way. There's basically no overhead

Correct. FR are no frills not just as a transporter of pax, but as an 'employer' also.

Whether this is right or wrong, and the varying shades of grey, could fill another fifteen threads - I am sure!

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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:45 pm

On the contrary, I admire them for their business concept and the way they push this through.

Look at the benefits for their sub-contractors, who work in the cockpit and the cabin, they are basically self-employed, enjoy self sponsored vacations each year which opens new opportunities to make money and the company really has an excellent yield/ profit ratio.

Whoever likes to fly with them, be that as passenger or contractor, wonderful. As the old saying goes, millions of passengers can't be wrong.

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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:40 pm

The last I counted there were 27 "stored" airframes or those in maintenance at Stansted parked on taxiway Golf and on the stands off of Foxtrot. In addition there are a number parked up for most of the day and only doing a few rotations in the day. As has been said, these units are rotated out of storage at least once per week. The tug crews are very busy over and back all day swapping aircraft.
 
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:35 pm

Quoting flyabunch (Reply 26):
I understand times are tough, but working for a company that only gives you 900 hours per year is pretty tough in itself. I assume that they have this policy to avoid paying full benefits?

Its the law, not an airline-specific rule.

Ryanair's cabin crew are all employed in Ireland (unless something has changed - regardless of where they're based), and PRSI (benefits payments to the state) do not depend on working hours here.
 
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:05 pm

Quoting EIDL (Reply 35):
Ryanair's cabin crew are all employed in Ireland (unless something has changed - regardless of where they're based), and PRSI (benefits payments to the state) do not depend on working hours here.

No it´s still the same for the moment, but there are talks of crew in bases changing to pay the taxes of the country they are based in.
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RE: Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter

Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:46 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 24):
What Ryanair seems to do is rotate them on a weekly or fortnightly basis. So an aircraft that has been parked up for the last fortnight could be flying today and aircraft flying last week could be parked up for the next two weeks.

This is the correct answer. MoL calls it 'parking up' as theis sounds more dramatic. In reality FR just lower the weekly utilisation of each airframe so that it is equivalent to "80 B737's parked up over the winter due to high airport charges" You may indeed find that a couple extra FR B738's may appear at their bases where they get free parking.

Quoting flyabunch (Reply 26):
I understand times are tough, but working for a company that only gives you 900 hours per year is pretty tough in itself. I assume that they have this policy to avoid paying full benefits?

Were the hours this low when the economy was booming?

900 Block houses per 12 months is the EU mandated safety limit for flight/cabin crew. FR only pay you for your block hours. You are essentially a contractor paid when the doors are closed.

During the boom FR just hired more 'contractors'. (Who paid for their own uniform and training)

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