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Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:49 pm

Hello fellow A.nutters,

I am planning to relocate to the environs of SFO next year, and with all the changes coming to SFO and the rest of the Bay Area I thought it would be best to create a full discussion thread.

So far we know:
*NH will be launching NRT-SJC on the 788 on Jan. 11.
*UA will be launching CDG, TPE, and FLL.
*TK has SFO as part of a large wishlist.
*AA will move from the 762/763 to the 321 in 2014, and DL will soon move to the 762.
*VX is interested in further expansion.
*UA to GRU has been rumored but not from a formal source.

In terms of aircraft up/downgauges, is the LH 388 here to stay? Also, will AF resend the 388, and when will CX move to all 77W? Has LA announced f they will send the 788 to SFO?

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What kind of expantion do you think VX wants to do

TPA,CLT,BNA,DEN,PHX maybe
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I believe SAS will be starting service in the spring with their beautiful A340s.



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Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:01 pm

Point of clarification regarding DL at SFO. DL no longer operates the 762 and will maintain 752 (75E subfleet) equipment on JFKSFO.
 
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:10 pm

Ah yes, I forgot SK. Is the DL 762 only going JFK-LAX then?

As for VX, do they feed VS's 744 to LHR from SAN, PHX etc.?
 
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Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 4):

Dude VX doesn't even fly to PHX and VS doesn't even fly to SAN or PHX

Also DL doesn't operate the 762 anymore
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I'm flying SFO-NRT and SYD-SFO in February and am stuck on the old 747-400 for both legs. I typically don't poo-poo any chance to fly a 744, but since I'm not in J the experience won't exactly be pleasant, especially for 11 and 13 hours at a time.

Anyone know the timeline on the 747-400s as the main TranPac metal for UA (out of SFO and LAX), and will the replacements end up as two 787s for one 744, or just shifting currently in-fleet 777s around to reduce capacity overall?
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:14 pm

SQ will operate A380 on the SFO-HKG flight soon, CX will is keeping the 744 for a while, since their SFO base crew are 747 only, a triple daily 77W could happen if more loads on business class. UA's 744 are mainland base out from SFO in which I tried to avoid for going NRT or HKG. No Hawaii for VX at the moment until the ETOPS A320 arrive, rumor that they have frozen the ETOPS program. we still see KLM's MD11 in the winter.
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Southwest-I thought VX flew to PHX. Oops.
My question, which may have been phrased confusingly, is whether VS and VX codeshare on each other's flights for routings where VS operates LHR-SFO and VX operates SFO-smaller city.
Overall, is VX ex-SFO interested in any connecting traffic or only point-to-point?
 
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Also, is there any chance AI will launch their strange DEL-SIN-SFO flight as they suggested?
 
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Any one know how WN is performing in SFO? Certainly must be decent as they have added a little over the past few years since the station was opened (unlike IAD which has been cut since station opening). Is there any terminal/ramp space for them to add additional flights? I would expect any expansion by any airline will be fairly limited in SFO due to delays and limited space.
 
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Quoting planespotting (Reply 6):
Anyone know the timeline on the 747-400s as the main TranPac metal for UA (out of SFO

SFO will remain 747-400s to Tokyo.  
Enjoy the 747s while you can. The new interiors on UA are just fine in coach. I've done the SFO-NRT leg in the new coach and it was fine.

Quoting planespotting (Reply 6):
will the replacements end up as two 787s for one 744, or just shifting currently in-fleet 777s around to reduce capacity overall?

All the other UA NRT destinations will be downgraded to a 777.
LAX will downgrade to a 787.
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Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 1):
TPA,CLT,BNA,DEN,PHX maybe

I keep hearing about VX starting up at PHX from SFO but everyone I have talked to has drawn so much speculation to the profitability of it.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
SFO will remain 747-400s to Tokyo.

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Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
I believe SAS will be starting service in the spring with their beautiful A340s.



Yes, will be CPH-SFO 6x weekly beginning April 8.
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:16 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 13):
Yes, will be CPH-SFO 6x weekly beginning April 8.

Sadly they're dropping Bangkok.
I lived in San Francisco for 15 years and SAS always 'talked' about coming to San Francisco and nothing happened. Then I move to Bangkok and now SAS is dropping Bangkok in favor of San Francisco.
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Welcome to SFO Dolphin

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 9):

Also, is there any chance AI will launch their strange DEL-SIN-SFO flight as they suggested?

No

Quoting planespotting (Reply 6):
nyone know the timeline on the 747-400s as the main TranPac metal for UA (out of SFO and LAX), and will the replacements end up as two 787s for one 744, or just shifting currently in-fleet 777s around to reduce capacity overall?

The 747's are all being moved to SFO. There will be 2 flights operating from LAX, but rotated back when need to SFO for maintenance.



Quoting iowaman (Reply 10):
Any one know how WN is performing in SFO?

They are doing well according to an inside source. However I don't see much expansion while they merger/transition continues with AirTran. Also, they have no additional gate space available to them.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
I believe SAS will be starting service in the spring with their beautiful A340s.

Service begins April 8th with 6 weekly (X2) CPH

An addition to this, China Eastern has express they will start service April 6th SFO-PEK

http://airlineroute.net/2012/08/14/mu-sfo-s13/

On an exciting note for UA, the steel for concourse E has arrived and is starting to go up. We should see the full frame work doen in the coming months.

The new ATC tower is well underway between T-1 and T-2. I don't know the timeframe for when you will see the structure moving up. Currently the underground work is being done, but there has been a 200 ft crane in place for about 2 weeks, so could be soon for a frame to show.
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:18 pm

Nice thread.

A couple of other notes.

MU will restart their PVG-SFO service coming April on a daily A332.

UN applied for seasonal service twice a week this coming Spring.

Non aviation but airport related. SFO will once again have an onsite Hotel. It will be located in a current overflow lot near the A- Pier of the International Terminal. It will not be connected to the Terminal but I would expect the air train to be reconfigured to allow access. No word on the operator.
 
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Quoting planespotting (Reply 6):
Quoting planespotting (Reply 6):
Anyone know the timeline on the 747-400s as the main TranPac metal for UA (out of SFO and LAX), and will the replacements end up as two 787s for one 744, or just shifting currently in-fleet 777s around to reduce capacity overall?

Per another thread last week on 787s out of SFO & LAX it appears UA plans on using the 787 exclusively out of LAX and will continue the 744/777 out of SFO. The 777 rules the roost at SFO for long haul routes across the Pacific.

Per AA & VX they both are enjoyin the new T2 but not sure that VX has any firm expansion plans for Q1 of 2013. My guess is they will have a formal announcement in mid January regarding new slot pairings. I know that SMF has been courting them for the new Terminal B. AA most likely will need to sort out the issue of merge or not before they offer up any new slot pairs.
 
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:24 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 13):
Yes, will be CPH-SFO 6x weekly beginning April 8.

I hope this route does well. SAS has a great product and CPH is a wonderful airport to arrive in/connect through.
 
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Quoting as739x (Reply 15):
An addition to this, China Eastern has express they will start service April 6th SFO-PEK

Nice!
Great to see some more 4-engine aircraft coming to San Francisco.
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Quoting legacyins (Reply 16):

You beat me to the correction Legs. PVG!!
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Quoting legacyins (Reply 16):
Non aviation but airport related. SFO will once again have an onsite Hotel. It will be located in a current overflow lot near the A- Pier of the International Terminal. It will not be connected to the Terminal but I would expect the air train to be reconfigured to allow access. No word on the operator.

Funny you mention that. I dropped my wife of this morning at 4am to work a flight and the lot was being used with a bus operating through it. They got that lot up and running fast.
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Sadly they're dropping Bangkok.



In order to operate SFO SAS have to drop a long haul destination because of the limited long haul fleet.
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Quoting PSA727LAX (Reply 17):
The 777 rules the roost at SFO for long haul routes across the Pacific.

Very much the opposite. The 747 will be the dominate bird T-PAC

This summer. Daily 747 across the Pacific

SFO-NRT 747
SFO-KIX 747 (as of June)
SFO-ICN 747
SFO-PVG 747
SFO-PEK 747
SFO-HKG 747
SFO-SYD 747

and

SFO-NRT 777
SFO-TPE 777

In addition to T-PAC this summer

SFO-FRA 747 (2 daily
SFO-LHR 747 daily in addition to a 777
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Quoting as739x (Reply 23):
Quoting PSA727LAX (Reply 17):
The 777 rules the roost at SFO for long haul routes across the Pacific.


Very much the opposite. The 747 will be the dominate bird T-PAC

Isnt the whole UA 747 fleet going to be based at SFO?
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 24):

Yes, your correct. All other flight will rotate the 747's to/back from SFO as needed. The ORD 747 pilot base is in the process of closing as well.
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Quoting as739x (Reply 25):
All other flight will rotate the 747's to/back from SFO as needed. The ORD 747 pilot base is in the process of closing as well.



Then the 744 will only do SFO-XXX-SFO rotations?
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 26):

Most of the time. Most flights will return to SFO. The SYD flight could rotate back to LAX to support the LAX-SYD flight.
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Quoting as739x (Reply 27):
Most of the time. Most flights will return to SFO. The SYD flight could rotate back to LAX to support the LAX-SYD flight.



Oh, of course, I forgot about the LAX-SYD 744. Should have known that one.
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Quoting DolphinAir747 (Thread starter):

I am planning to relocate to the environs of SFO next year,

Welcome to town! What brings you here?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
I believe SAS will be starting service in the spring with their beautiful A340s

Woot! A340's make me so happy.  
Quoting as739x (Reply 23):

SFO-FRA 747 (2 daily
SFO-LHR 747 daily in addition to a 777

SFO-LHR has a UA 744 and UA 777, two BA 744's and a VS 744.
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Quoting as739x (Reply 21):
Funny you mention that. I dropped my wife of this morning at 4am to work a flight and the lot was being used with a bus operating through it. They got that lot up and running fast.

They certainly did. They have light polls and everything.
 
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@Doc—I won't move until (most likely) the fall but I'll be studying in the Bay Area.

How serious is TK's desire to fly to SFO? It seems like a good 3x weekly 77W route to offer connections to India and the Middle East. Neither EY nor QR has announced a flight to California yet so TK could fill that gap. Also, as a *A hub SFO must have lots of *A FFs.

For an out-of-the-box idea, what about BA sending a 788 (though the 763 has the legs) to SJC?
 
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Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 31):

@Doc—I won't move until (most likely) the fall but I'll be studying in the Bay Area.

This wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Stanford released their Early Admission decisions on Friday, would it?
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Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 31):
For an out-of-the-box idea, what about BA sending a 788 (though the 763 has the legs) to SJC?

Why?
They send two 747s daily to SFO which is just 35 miles away from SJC.
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 33):
Why?
They send two 747s daily to SFO which is just 35 miles away from SJC



Well BA and AA have together 13 daily flights to JFK, and yet BA sends another 3 daily flights to EWR. Distance between JFK and EWR, 21 miles.

It might not be a fair comparison, because the NYC market is much larger, but point is, there might still be a demand for a SJC flight to LHR in the future, even if it is so close to SFO.
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@B747, that was my analysis as well. I fly NYC-CDG a lot and the fact that BA serves both EWR and ORY in addition to JFK and CDG is a huge plus. San Jose is a large city, and the Silicon Valley area has large links (both wealthy VFR and business) to places like IKA, BOM, BLR etc. Being the only longhaul carrier at an airport certainly helps, and BA would get this at SJC (NH doesn't count because with the exception of California-India, BA and NH don't connect on similar routes.

I know that in NJ many people will pay a premium to avoid flying out of JFK, is that the case with SJC in the South Bay or is SJC's international network too weak for that to be a question?
 
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Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 35):
is that the case with SJC in the South Bay or is SJC's international network too weak for that to be a question?

SFO is a great airport and I rarely hear of complaints about catching flights out of SFO. It's only problem is fog.
SJC is much smaller and smaller than EWR.
AA used to have a 777 to NRT out of SJC but I can't think of any international service out of SJC to Europe or Asia.
There may be service to Mexico but I'm not sure.
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 36):
AA used to have a 777 to NRT out of SJC but I can't think of any international service out of SJC to Europe or Asia.
There may be service to Mexico but I'm not sure.

AA also did SJC-CDG and SJC-TPE for about 6 monhts in 2001. 9/11 helped end that. As you noted, Asia did in fact have international service from SJC since NRT is in Asia. CDG was SJC's only Europe non-stop ever.

AA was about to start LGW and GDL about the same time, but it never happened. If it had, AA would have had international flights from SJC to LGW, CDG, NRT, TPE and GDL.

SJC currently has GDL on AS and Volaris and SJD on AS, the latter being seasonal. MX also flew to Morelia and I think MEX at one time. AS also once had seasonal service to PVR. AC did YYZ for several years and YOW for a very short time (for high tech traffic). QQ, Air Cal, AA and Canadian Regional Airlines each did SJC-YVR at one time or another. There in no current Canada service from SJC.
 
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 36):
SFO is a great airport and I rarely hear of complaints about catching flights out of SFO. It's only problem is fog.

That "only" is a big problem. If the weather isn't clear, delays of ~3h are pretty common. Leaving that aside, SFO is a great airport.

SJC really isn't an alternative to SFO for most of the Bay Area because it's really at the extreme south end of the Bay Area and it doesn't have an awful lot of service. Back in the 1990's when AA had a hub there, it made more sense in the middle of a silicon boom, but it's very far from SF, far from a good portion of Silicon Valley (the break-even point is rougly at Stanford), and far from the East Bay.
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I guess. So do you think NH's SJC flight will be able to hold?
 
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 38):
SJC really isn't an alternative to SFO for most of the Bay Area because it's really at the extreme south end of the Bay Area and it doesn't have an awful lot of service. Back in the 1990's when AA had a hub there, it made more sense in the middle of a silicon boom, but it's very far from SF, far from a good portion of Silicon Valley (the break-even point is rougly at Stanford), and far from the East Bay.

A friend of mine lives near the 92/280 interchange in San Mateo. He used to fly out of SJC, over SFO, for business trips to places like NRT and BOS because he felt it was so much more convenient to get in and out of than SFO. San Mateo is much closer to SFO than SJC, yet here's an example of someone who preferred SJC.

What's the cachement area for SJC itself, something like 2 million people?
 
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Well, if every other day the NH flight gets two Silicon Valley businessmen going to Tokyo who are ready to pay a premium to have only a 10 minute drive to the airport, that in itself may turn the flight from money-bleeding to profitable. However, I'm sure that only NH management knows the profitability of their own flights.
 
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 38):
SJC really isn't an alternative to SFO for most of the Bay Area because it's really at the extreme south end of the Bay Area and it doesn't have an awful lot of service. Back in the 1990's when AA had a hub there, it made more sense in the middle of a silicon boom, but it's very far from SF, far from a good portion of Silicon Valley (the break-even point is rougly at Stanford), and far from the East Bay.

I think that SJC could really benefit from the proposed (controversial?) BART extension into Santa Clara county, with a similar BART arrangement as SFO. I'm sure that they would be able to draw business pax from SFO and the rest of the Bay Area looking to escape the roulette-esque delays at SFO. Heck, I used to know businessmen from my old digs up in Berkeley who were willing to make the hour-long drive to SJC to bypass SFO.
But then again, that was around 11 years ago when SJC still had transpacific service.... Under the same situation, though, I also think that SJC could capture leisure pax from SFO if the Y fares were low enough to be competitive with OAK.

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Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 39):
I guess. So do you think NH's SJC flight will be able to hold?

I don't see why not. AA's SJC-NRT flight used to do very well until AA gave up on SJC. The 787 is a smaller airplane and very economical to operate. I assume that NH has done their homework and traffic projections and are marketing and advertising very well. From what I know of NH, those folks at HND are not dummies. If they let San Jose talk them into flying into SJC, I expect that they feel it will be successful and be able to hold.
 
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Well, I still didn't find out where you just found out you'll be studying. Hoping it is, indeed, my alma mater.  

We will need to do an SFO Airport Meetup. The favored place is El Torito, which is a Mexican place with a view on the 28's.
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Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 43):
I don't see why not. AA's SJC-NRT flight used to do very well until AA gave up on SJC. The 787 is a smaller airplane and very economical to operate. I assume that NH has done their homework and traffic projections and are marketing and advertising very well. From what I know of NH, those folks at HND are not dummies. If they let San Jose talk them into flying into SJC, I expect that they feel it will be successful and be able to hold.

Couple that with the fact that a large percentage of the Bay Area's senior executives live in the South Bay, and many of them would love nothing more than to be able to bypass SFO in favor of SJC, I suspect that NH's service will do well.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 38):
That "only" is a big problem. If the weather isn't clear, delays of ~3h are pretty common. Leaving that aside, SFO is a great airport.

What he said. I don't fly as much as I'd like to these days, but my job has me practically living at SFO, and I regularly have the "pleasure" of sitting around and waiting 3 or 4 hours for pax on the delayed flights. "Frustrating" is an understatement...

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 38):
SJC really isn't an alternative to SFO for most of the Bay Area because it's really at the extreme south end of the Bay Area and it doesn't have an awful lot of service. Back in the 1990's when AA had a hub there, it made more sense in the middle of a silicon boom, but it's very far from SF, far from a good portion of Silicon Valley (the break-even point is rougly at Stanford), and far from the East Bay.

You make a good point; OTOH I think there's enough of a population base in the South Bay that I think SJC can still be a viable alternative, especially since a considerable portion of the Bay Area's wealth is in the South Bay (Saratoga, Los Gatos, Los Altos, etc). The biggest issue is a lack of service...I've lost track of how many clients I've driven who've flown out of SFO but would have preferred SJC...

BTW, good thread    nice to see the SFO area finally get some love...now, if only someone (WN or VX) would start an SFO-BUR flight to compete with UA Express's ridiculous fares...
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:37 am

As we all know, SQ will start service into SFO this month on SQ 1/2 using their A380. I snapped these shots at SFO of a display. Out of curiosity, how much does one of these models cost? I would say a couple of thousand.






 
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Quoting warden145 (Reply 45):
Couple that with the fact that a large percentage of the Bay Area's senior executives live in the South Bay, and many of them would love nothing more than to be able to bypass SFO in favor of SJC, I suspect that NH's service will do well.

Another question is would these CEO types settle for J as the NH flight will not have an F class? IMO, the new SJC flight is not really a new market for NH but an extension of their SFO flight. NH has added double daily into JFK,LAX and ORD(?) the last year or so.

SFO still handles 90% + of the nonstop International traffic into the Bay Area.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 43):
AA's SJC-NRT flight used to do very well until AA gave up on SJC.

AA is on record stating the flight was losing money the last couple of years before cancellation. After the LAX-NRT flight was added and the pull down of the SJC hub, it was a natural goner.
 
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Quoting legacyins (Reply 46):
As we all know, SQ will start service into SFO this month on SQ 1/2 using their A380. I snapped these shots at SFO of a display. Out of curiosity, how much does one of these models cost? I would say a couple of thousand.

Where is this connecting to? HKG?
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:57 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 48):
Where is this connecting to? HKG?

Yes, routing is SIN-HKG-SFO