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UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:53 pm

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...nal-domestic-routes-153000543.html

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CHICAGO, Dec. 19, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines today announced plans to launch nonstop service on several new international and domestic routes beginning in the spring of 2013, including:

New flights to Latin America from Chicago and Washington, D.C.
New service to Canada from Denver, New York, and Washington, D.C.
Additional domestic routes from Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C.
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:58 pm

Interesting how there is a long thread about ORD-Latin America and......viola!! Jeff must be lurking LOL  
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:27 pm

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 2):

Most of these routes are 1-3 times weekly to Latam. Still very interesting adds especially LAX-ICT and EWR-YEG
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:28 pm

Denver Fort McMurray that is an interesting one!!!

Would Chicago not have made better sense? I guess Denver is more centrally located, enabling traffic to be spread north, south, east & west!
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:44 pm

Well balanced growth, pretty much everyone gets something in this announcement except CLE and SFO (although SFO has had some adds like FLL within recent weeks). Santa Fe is a nice addition, popular tourist area. But what I'm most impressed is this quote from the announcement; "Fort McMurray will be United's 18th destination in Canada. "

18 destinations in Canada is really impressive.
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 4):
Denver Fort McMurray that is an interesting one!!!

It's not that Americans want to go to YMM. It's that folks in YMM want to get out, and the new nouveau-riche have the money to do it.

Good-bye tar-sand smell -- hello Mexican riviera.  
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:51 pm

The IAD-YVR route comes and goes.

Btw, there are an amazing number BC kids here in the University of Maryland system.

Also btw, Simon Fraser University in Burnaby recently joined the NCAA and plays some US sports.
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:51 pm

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 4):
Denver Fort McMurray that is an interesting one!!!

Another example of a Oil boom town, from Wikipedia:

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Fort McMurray is considered the heart of one of Alberta's (and Canada's) major hubs of oil production, located near the Athabasca Oil Sands. Besides the oil sands, the economy also relies on natural gas and oil pipelines, forestry and tourism. Oil sand companies include Syncrude, Suncor Energy, CNRL, Shell, and Nexen.
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:52 pm

GRR-IAD is interesting as it will hurt FL/WN's questionable BWI service. I'm kind of surprised they wanted to go into the market given the LCC fares.
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:54 pm

If I'm not mistaken all of the Canadian routes would be covered by the AC-UA joint venture confirmed in October?
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:54 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
Well balanced growth, pretty much everyone gets something in this announcement except CLE and SFO

Yup, and it looks like UA continues to take advantages of cross-fleeting. The 738 is the right airplane for ORD-FAI, and up to the merger, UA didn't have any of those. It's the same story with the 319 on EWR-YEG.

I went through IAD yesterday and continue to be surprised by the number of 737s, which I think have outnumbered Airbii the last few times I've been there. On the Express side, there are gobs of Dashes. That's all good news.
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:05 pm

UA is building upon CO's success in Central America with the ORD and IAD additions, in this area (Central America) the only thing one could wish for would be to bring back the Central America routes UA acquired from Pan Am:

LAX-
Guatemala City, San Salvador, San Jose

If not from LAX perhaps SFO?
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:10 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):

GRR-IAD is interesting as it will hurt FL/WN's questionable BWI service. I'm kind of surprised they wanted to go into the market given the LCC fares.

Delta supported high fares to DCA while AirTran had rock-bottom bargain fares to BWI. The current BWI fares are no bargain and certainly wont be when WN takes over the route.

And there is nothing questionable about the GRR-BWI service except in your own mind, my friend. Trust.
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:14 pm

Will ORD-FAI be the farthest east Fairbanks has ever had nonstop service to?
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:17 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):
It's not that Americans want to go to YMM. It's that folks in YMM want to get out, and the new nouveau-riche have the money to do it.

Good-bye tar-sand smell -- hello Mexican riviera.  

I know I know been there myself and it stinks (of money and chemicals) ! Still though given that people from there can work up to 2 weeks, 12 hours per day no weekend straight and then go home for a week or two, I would think Chicago or New-York would be better destinations due to the fact that some people there come from all over the world!

Going to the Mexican Riviera on your own does get tiring! Better go and see the wife or the girlfriend no? (if you have one at least)
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:27 pm

The choice to go YMM to DEN seems influenced by the fact folks want to holiday. That often equates to somewhere warm such as Latin America or possibly Hawaii/California. DEN provides service to all of those locations and you can also connect to flights headed east or south-east if desired.
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:32 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 14):
Will ORD-FAI be the farthest east Fairbanks has ever had nonstop service to?

PA used to do JFK-FAI as part of JFK-FAI-NRT. Remember that PA served FAI instead of ANC historically.
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:37 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 14):
Will ORD-FAI be the farthest east Fairbanks has ever had nonstop service to?

Well, technically that would be FRA at the moment.   But otherwise, yes, it's the easternmost connection they've had in a very long time.



[Edited 2012-12-19 09:38:14]
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:48 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 17):
Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 14):
Will ORD-FAI be the farthest east Fairbanks has ever had nonstop service to?

PA used to do JFK-FAI as part of JFK-FAI-NRT.

The FAI stop ended in 1976 when they began the first JFK-NRT nonstops with the 747SP. I expect they would have preferred to stop at ANC previously but Pan Am never had ANC traffic rights before deregulation.
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:53 pm

DEN-YMM is 1041 nm, blocked at 3 hours. LAX-ICT is also blocked at around 3 hours, and is 1045 nm. Those are long flights for CR7s (not in terms of operational capability but in terms of sitting on an RJ for that long)! I remember when UA operated an OO CR7 from ATL-DEN; it was about the same distance, and man was that a long flight. Not that I minded, but an E170 (which is what UA currently uses on that route) would have been nice at the time.
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:59 pm

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 15):
Going to the Mexican Riviera on your own does get tiring! Better go and see the wife or the girlfriend no? (if you have one at least)

Last time I lived in a boom-town, there were girlfriends a-plenty at evey watering hole just for the asking. So, just send the money home, and all will be forgiven  

Btw, it was only a matter of time before a CanJet 735 ar a WestJet 736 did YMM--to--sunland
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:17 pm

The DEN-YMM-DEN schedule shows the northbound flight arriving at 2318 and the southbound flight leaving at 0600. Is that enough crew rest time? Including the time to get to/from a hotel they would barely have 4 hours for sleep. Or would the crew spend 2 nights in YMM?
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
Or would the crew spend 2 nights in YMM?

Don't know how a layover in YMM would rate on the UAX crew's favorite places to overnight? I'm guessing it may be some sort of standup where the crew is still on duty.
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:31 pm

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 13):
And there is nothing questionable about the GRR-BWI service except in your own mind, my friend. Trust.

Not to mention that I doubt WN is really worried about 1 daily RJ being added to an airport that is 65 miles away from BWI.
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:49 pm

I think the YEG-EWR flight was just a matter of time. The market has always been there and it is nice to see UA further solidify their presence in the YEG market (with now 5 destinations).

I also think that YMM flight will do quite well for them. Don't know what they will charge, but people up there have too much money to burn and they will take this flight over connecting in YEG or YYC to save a few bucks
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:59 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):

I don't think GRR-IAD will hurt WN in BWI. FL flew that route at the same time DL flew DCA. If DCA didn't hurt BWI, IAD won't either.
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:00 pm

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 20):
not in terms of operational capability but in terms of sitting on an RJ for that long

Definitely true if you're in Y! Anybody know what the service will be like in F on these flights?
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:48 pm

I guess United still has beef with the city of Houston.   No new routes!
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:53 pm

Quoting triley1057 (Reply 28):
I guess United still has beef with the city of Houston. No new routes!



They're reinstating Rapid City.
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:09 pm

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 4):
I guess Denver is more centrally located, enabling traffic to be spread north, south, east & west!

Short hop to LAS.
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:19 pm

ORD-SJO was discussed and a proposed schedule was looked at for this year but never developed. It's nice to see this being added in and probably will operate on Saturdays.
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:30 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):
Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 4):
Denver Fort McMurray that is an interesting one!!!

It's not that Americans want to go to YMM. It's that folks in YMM want to get out, and the new nouveau-riche have the money to do it.

I wouldn't discount the quiet presence of several major oil/energy businesses in the Denver area nor the presence of Oil Shale deposits in the Colorado area as a factor in this service. Several entities with Tar Sands operations play in the Oil Shale business.

Still, I was hoping this announcement would include news of a NS EWR-SLC service. Oh well, too late to hope for summer 2013?
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:53 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
Airbii

What is "Airbii"

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):

The DEN-YMM-DEN schedule shows the northbound flight arriving at 2318 and the southbound flight leaving at 0600. Is that enough crew rest time? Including the time to get to/from a hotel they would barely have 4 hours for sleep. Or would the crew spend 2 nights in YMM?

Does UA have any other flights into YMM, or would they dead head pilots out of YMM into YEG as an alternative to holding the crew over?
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:09 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
Well balanced growth, pretty much everyone gets something in this announcement except CLE and SFO (although SFO has had some adds like FLL within recent weeks).

SFO (which I am presently sitting at, in the GB next to 74) has had a pretty amazing time of it post-merger  

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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:14 pm

will the DEN-YMM service "steal" any traffic from IAH-YEG?
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:22 pm

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 36):
will the DEN-YMM service "steal" any traffic from IAH-YEG?

You connect to YMM in Calgary rather than Edmonton.

So it shouldn't hurt IAH-YEG.
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:23 pm

UA is taking a dig at AA in SAF, the only player in the market, with the two new flights to DEN. I bet they'll fill seats but by now AA has a good ff base with four flights to DFW and LAX combined!

I'm happy for ICT-LAX, especially after Allegiant cut the route last year. Still waiting on DEN-MHK, of course!
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:24 pm

I always jump when they say new Latin American route....SCL has been in their books for quite sometime...
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:36 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 37):
You connect to YMM in Calgary rather than Edmonton.

So it shouldn't hurt IAH-YEG.

Many of the people I know drive from YEG in crew buses/vans and such, sorry I was thinking of that
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:38 pm

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 20):
I remember when UA operated an OO CR7 from ATL-DEN; it was about the same distance, and man was that a long flight. Not that I minded, but an E170 (which is what UA currently uses on that route) would have been nice at the time.

Actually OO is currently operating DEN-ATL.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
On the Express side, there are gobs of Dashes. That's all good news.

Not sure how you can be excited about the Dash's. YX is very firmly last in every UAX performance metric. I guess the Q400 is a capable plane...if your flight actually operates.
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:45 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 41):
While that might be legal, it doesn't sound terribly safe. And two nights in YMM in January sounds pretty dreadful as a layover.

Of course it's safe, it just isn't fun. Based on the prices associated with staying in YMM (accommodation, food) I wouldn't be surprised if dead heading to YEG/YYC was actually cheaper to the airline.
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:45 pm

Quoting triley1057 (Reply 28):
I guess United still has beef with the city of Houston. No new routes!

What would give you the ridiculous notion that there are any opportunities in the energy capital of the universe, in one of the most dynamic states in the nation, where OA has added loads of capacity to IAH/HOU/DFW/AUS? That's crazy talk! 
Quoting ScottB (Reply 41):
IMO IAH is far better than DEN for connections to sun destinations in the U.S., Latin America, & Caribbean. And it's going to have far deeper oil industry connections. But UA management is still pitching a temper tantrum about not getting their way with respect to the FIS at HOU. IAH-YMM would probably require an E170 or mainline aircraft, though, at just under 2000 statute miles.

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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:44 am

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 37):
UA is taking a dig at AA in SAF, the only player in the market, with the two new flights to DEN. I bet they'll fill seats but by now AA has a good ff base with four flights to DFW and LAX combined!

I doubt that UA is doing that. They would have added service long ago, if that was the case. The market is probably growing is all. Also from AA's stand point it is good to have UA there. It gets the community use to using SAF instead of ABQ. AA should welcome UA entering the market.
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:56 am

I wonder will Great Lakes will do with DEN-SAF, I believe they just restarted this route after a several year hiatus (ZK ended it when DL connection and American Eagle started Santa Fe service). ZK connects Clovis NM (which I believe receives subsides from NM and/or EAS) to Denver via SAF. Any ideas if Great Lakes will keep DEN - SAF or route Clovis to Denver nonstop or as a one stop through another city.
 
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Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:15 am

Will ORD-FAI be year round or is it a seasonal flight only?
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:12 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 21):
The DEN-YMM-DEN schedule shows the northbound flight arriving at 2318 and the southbound flight leaving at 0600. Is that enough crew rest time? Including the time to get to/from a hotel they would barely have 4 hours for sleep. Or would the crew spend 2 nights in YMM?
Quoting 9252fly (Reply 22):
Don't know how a layover in YMM would rate on the UAX crew's favorite places to overnight? I'm guessing it may be some sort of standup where the crew is still on duty.

= Double overnight. Expect young crew members and bitter ones in the morning. Great commercial move though as this opens up YMM to the South. I am surprised that AC or WS continues to ignore this one.

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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:44 am

To add to the thread, the routes to SJO are, IAD-SJO-IAD and ORD-SJO-ORD, 3 times a week. Those routes were operated by the old United with A320 a few years back. The new United is picking up again those routes, specially the ORD one, several design firms in ORD have their near-shore operations/contractors in SJO so the business traffic could justify the route..

IAD, well, too much diplomatic traffic perhaps...My believe is that the IAD route will be axed in a few months and the ORD route will move to daily, too many Costarrican citizens live in ORD+business traffic...

As a side note...there are 18 United daily flights to SJO from EWR and IAH.
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:53 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 40):
It may make more sense in that the ASM's for DEN-YMM might allow them to make cuts elsewhere and still comply with the agreement with the City of Denver for reduced rents.

Pretty inefficient but guess it makes sense!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 50):
= Double overnight. Expect young crew members and bitter ones in the morning. Great commercial move though as this opens up YMM to the South. I am surprised that AC or WS continues to ignore this one.

Saludos,
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:52 pm

I thought EWR-YEG was a really odd route, but than I heard DEN-YMM, that's even more strange in my mind.

I'm a little confused as to why AC didn't do YEG-EWR and UA codeshare with them, especially since AC operates non-stop from both YVR and YYC. Is there really enough demand for an almost daily flight or is just mainly to help passengers connect to United's International network?
 
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RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes

Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:56 pm

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 53):
I'm a little confused as to why AC didn't do YEG-EWR and UA codeshare with them, especially since AC operates non-stop from both YVR and YYC.


Doubt this route will go under the AC-UA joint venture, but if it does, it wont matter who operates the flight. Both AC and UA will share the revenues from it.

There are however 14 or so routes on which they still must compete. Something tells me this route will be added to that list.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...competition-bureau/article4633992/

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