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TP NOT To Be Sold To Gérman Efromovich

Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:54 pm

Breaking News here in Portugal:

The Portuguese Government has just decided *NOT* to accept the offer to sell TP to Mr. Gérman Efromovich... no more details for the moment. So it seems that TP is not getting into private investors in 2012 after all.
 
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RE: TP NOT To Be Sold To Gérman Efromovich

Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:57 pm

Quoting PhotoLPPT (Thread starter):
The Portuguese Government has just decided *NOT* to accept the offer to sell TP to Mr. Gérman Efromovich... no more details for the moment. So it seems that TP is not getting into private investors in 2012 after all.

Call me a conspiracy theorist but I somehow believe this is related to the announcement that TP and EK will begin cooperating with each others FFP. Is it totally out of the realm of possibility that a nominated UAE national pops up with a Portuguese passport and a big cheque in Efromovich's place?

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RE: TP NOT To Be Sold To Gérman Efromovich

Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:05 pm

Quoting yowza (Reply 1):
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I somehow believe this is related to the announcement that TP and EK will begin cooperating with each others FFP

TP has codeshared with EY for a number of years, and EY has never showed interest in TP.
EK has mentioned many times that they are not interested in TP, Why now?

Quoting PhotoLPPT (Thread starter):

The Portuguese Government has just decided *NOT* to accept the offer to sell TP to Mr. Gérman Efromovich... no more details for the moment. So it seems that TP is not getting into private investors in 2012 after all.

A real shame, TP should have been sold 20 years ago, yet another barrier- I'm sure unions and employees that have been "milking" TP for years are happy.
 
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RE: TP NOT To Be Sold To Gérman Efromovich

Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:21 pm

Not a surprise at all. First I never believed that the government really wants to sell the airline.
And then the offer was so ridiculously low (not surprising), it left the government with no other decision but to not sell it. At that price it would have been a fantastic deal for Efromovich, and a terrible deal for Portugal.
 
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RE: TP NOT To Be Sold To Gérman Efromovich

Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:57 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 3):
At that price it would have been a fantastic deal for Efromovich, and a terrible deal for Portugal.

Why a 'terrible deal for Portugal'? The price merely reflected the value of the carrier today. The issue is not cash today that Portugal receives for the carrier, but cash spent tomorrow, and the day after, and the month after that.

Portugal is not interested in owning commercial enterprises that are best left in the management control of sector experts.
 
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RE: TP NOT To Be Sold To Gérman Efromovich

Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:38 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 3):
First I never believed that the government really wants to sell the airline.

In this I agree with you. This process is far from being handled by business experts rather than politicians, and we all know what end up happenning with this recipe.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 3):
And then the offer was so ridiculously low (not surprising),

There wasn't any room for a generous offer. The airline is worth nothing at its actual situation.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 3):
At that price it would have been a fantastic deal for Efromovich, and a terrible deal for Portugal.

At that price it would've been a good deal deal for Efromovich, but a terrific deal for Portugal's finances. In businees, thing s are woth not what you ask for, but rather what the market is willing to pay for them, and in this case, IIRC, there wasn't a huge line ofcompanies willing to offer any money at all for TP.

Quoting santos (Reply 2):
A real shame, TP should have been sold 20 years ago, yet another barrier- I'm sure unions and employees that have been "milking" TP for years are happy.

I bet the portuguese finance minister will have to answer some calls from the EU pretty soon.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 5):
Maybe the assholes at the portuguese government thought this would mean EK will be interested in TP. Not going to happen

This process was politized long before this. And the deal with EK was probably in the makings for a time now. So, my uneducated guess is that the deal with EK had nothing to do with this.
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RE: TP NOT To Be Sold To Gérman Efromovich

Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:21 pm

Quoting PDPsol (Reply 4):
Why a 'terrible deal for Portugal'? The price merely reflected the value of the carrier today. The issue is not cash today that Portugal receives for the carrier, but cash spent tomorrow, and the day after, and the month after that.

The government can't subsidize the airline, by European law. The airline is not costing the government any money. The government is not spending a dime on the airline, today, tomorrow, the day after, or a month after that.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 5):
There wasn't any room for a generous offer. The airline is worth nothing at its actual situation.

How do you guys figure that? An airline that has been profitable just about every year for the past 10 years, and expects to turn a profit this year despite a recession, and with a market leading presence in Europe-Brazil market not to mention some key African markets. In what fantasy world is the airline "worth nothing"?

Not selling TAP at this price in no way changes Portugal's debt. Portugal's debt is 78 Billion Euros. TAP would have netted the government a mere 35 million Euros. It's a drop in the bucket. They can make that in 1 good profitable year, as they have in the past. It was a joke offer.
 
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RE: TP NOT To Be Sold To Gérman Efromovich

Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:32 pm

Quoting yowza (Reply 1):

Call me a conspiracy theorist but I somehow believe this is related to the announcement that TP and EK will begin cooperating with each others FFP. Is it totally out of the realm of possibility that a nominated UAE national pops up with a Portuguese passport and a big cheque in Efromovich's place?

I think this is highly unlikely as one of the requirements of the sale of TP was that TP remained in Star Alliance. Why would EK be interested in this (and all the other requirements the portugese gorvernment have set)?
 
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RE: TP NOT To Be Sold To Gérman Efromovich

Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:19 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 3):
At that price it would have been a fantastic deal for Efromovich, and a terrible deal for Portugal

   As Portugal is under pressure from the EU to give awa...errr sell their national assets, I guess Efromovich thought the government would accept even the lowest offer. I'm glad for Portugal that they didn't.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 5):
In businees, thing s are woth not what you ask for, but rather what the market is willing to pay for them, and in this case, IIRC, there wasn't a huge line ofcompanies willing to offer any money at all for TP.

So you wait until market conditions are better to sell, rather than giving away an important asset. In the meantime, the airline can continue to make money.

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