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AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:49 pm

Following the announcement in late October of four new international routes (DFW-ICN, DFW-LIM, JFK-DUB, ORD-DUS), and the announcement earlier this week of DFW-BOG and MIA-POA/CWB next year, AA apparently announced internally today that it is also planning to expand further next year in four additional new domestic and international markets, including:

LAX-RDU (daily from 4/2/13)
JFK-IAH (daily from 4/2/13)
MIA-FDF (Sat from 4/6/13)
MIA-PTP (Sat from 4/6/13)

Some thoughts:

LAX-RDU is surprising only in so much as AA has shown shrinking attention to RDU in recent years with the pulldown of most RDU-Northeast capacity. Nonetheless, I am intrigued to see that AA is going to wade into the LAX-RDU nonstop market. The LAX end will obviously provide a good amount of feed, and AA does still have a strong corporate presence at the RDU end. Seems like a route that might best be served long-term via the new A319s. I think if AA were to simply restart RDU-BOS with a few day CR7s, they would have an extremely compelling value prop for many RDU-area corporate customers. All that being said, I will be interested to see if this makes it.

JFK-IAH is interesting - I suspect it will be timed for Europe connections at JFK. Much of the premium local traffic will of course continue to use United/Delta at LGA. This will mark the first time AA has flown from NYC (metro) to HOU (metro) since the LGA-HOU flights were discontinued (I think back around 2004). This, too, I will be interested to follow - will be interested to see if this survives.

MIA-FDF/PTP is a no-brainer that I and many others have long predicted. These markets are losing their Eagle flights to SJU when the Eagle SJU operation ends in April, and they can both easily handle (operationally) a nonstop link to MIA. I suspect both will likely see, in due time, increased frequency from just 1x weekly. Unlike the first two, these two, personally, I don't think will have any trouble making it.

[Edited 2012-12-20 14:53:48]
 
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Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:11 pm

Lets see how DL does with AA on the route and vice versa. Personally i think DL cares less about flying this route and AA will have more patience even though DL has been on it for a while and has alot of elites in RDU.

AA commiting to daily will probably win almost all the real heavy frequent flyers on the route immediately. What is the timing for AA? Personally i think LAX-RDU is a route they should already be flying. AA really should be able to kick Delta off this route if they do a non red eye eastbound flight to get the business travellers that combined with daily should be enough to kick Delta off. The real frequent flyers on the route will convert and i dont think it will be as attractive to DL but i thought that flight really fills in the summer but its probably gonna lower yields now.
 
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Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:20 pm

There's a lot more coming than just this. Lot's of talk of a major domestic route network shake-up starting in the spring which will see two things:

1) Significant connecting the dots between current spokes that only have service to one hub (i.e. Ottawa and Buffalo).
2) Opening/reopening smaller spokes that other majors are at (i.e. Melbourne, Florida and Albany).
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:22 pm

This should be interesting, RDU.LAX.... I think it will take 1 of 3 routes.. Either AA will be killer on this route and it provides good feed for their PAC ops... Either AA will get better competition from DL who will make their flight daily at better times.. Or Either AA will get on the route to decide it doesn't match their cornerstone strategy and backs out after the summer season or 1 year is over.. Time will tell...
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:24 pm

Quoting commavia (Thread starter):
LAX-RDU (daily from 4/2/13)

Makes sense, should have been there long ago. Where are all the RDU Fanboys?
 
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:32 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
it provides good feed for their PAC ops...

The RDU sked doesn't really connect to much beyond LAX, particularly international flying, so it'll have to work primarily on the local, low yield market.

Quoting commavia (Thread starter):
MIA-FDF (Sat from 4/6/13)
MIA-PTP (Sat from 4/6/13)

It'll be interesting to see how these pan out--they're some of the very rare Caribbean/Latin destinations that would work better out of ATL than MIA because of the superior feed, and they didn't work out of ATL. Great fares though, just tiny markets.

Quoting commavia (Thread starter):
JFK-IAH (daily from 4/2/13)

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Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:36 pm

This is great seeing AA actually expanding and being in a position to expand, they really seem to be on a role!

Quoting commavia (Thread starter):
LAX-RDU (daily from 4/2/13)

I imagine AA will probably knock DL off the route as well. Even though they've cut back almost continuously at RDU for years, they still have a very loyal frequent flier and corporate base in the region with their RDU-LHR flight and all.

Quoting commavia (Thread starter):
JFK-IAH (daily from 4/2/13)

Will this be with mainline or a CRJ?

Quoting commavia (Thread starter):
MIA-FDF (Sat from 4/6/13)
MIA-PTP (Sat from 4/6/13)

Does AF still operate these routes from MIA or am I off base here?

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 2):
There's a lot more coming than just this. Lot's of talk of a major domestic route network shake-up starting in the spring which will see two things:

Interesting, I'll be anxious to see what's in store. Any mention of up-gauging from regional to mainline? Selfishly I would love to see AA mainline return to CVG-DFW.
 
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:16 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
It'll be interesting to see how these pan out--they're some of the very rare Caribbean/Latin destinations that would work better out of ATL than MIA because of the superior feed, and they didn't work out of ATL.

But what connections does Atlanta have that make it so superior? All they need is D.C., New York, Montreal and Boston. And Atlanta bypasses the Miami market entirely. Plus AA is already well established here. DL wasn't, and didn't make it a year even.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 6):
Quoting commavia (Thread starter):
MIA-FDF (Sat from 4/6/13)
MIA-PTP (Sat from 4/6/13)

Does AF still operate these routes from MIA or am I off base here?

Air France flies MIA-PAP-PTP daily.
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:34 am

Along with those international routes AA announced 4 domestic routes back in October - to sum it up -

ORD-COU
DFW-COU
DFW-FAR
DFW-BPT
ORD-DUS
DFW-LIM
DFW-ICN
DFW-BOG
MIA-CWB/POA
JFK-DUB
MIA-FDF
MIA-PTP
JFK-IAH
LAX-RDU

not a bad expansion...

I'd be most concerned about the longevity of LAX-RDU, however.

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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:46 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 2):
1) Significant connecting the dots between current spokes that only have service to one hub (i.e. Ottawa and Buffalo).

Makes some semblance of sense, especially with the new large RJs forthcoming, as well as the A319s. Only issue I see with this is some of the constraints at ORD/JFK/LGA. Doing this though would allow for better connectivity through the network though.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 2):
2) Opening/reopening smaller spokes that other majors are at (i.e. Melbourne, Florida and Albany).

Makes a ton of sense. MLB/DAB make sense from the Florida/MIA hub end; my guess is that we'd see some return into the Northeast? You mention ALB as a possibility - I wouldn't be shocked to see cities like PWM, PVD, etc. return, where the other majors are getting some mainline metal in there each day.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 7):
But what connections does Atlanta have that make it so superior? All they need is D.C., New York, Montreal and Boston. And Atlanta bypasses the Miami market entirely. Plus AA is already well established here. DL wasn't, and didn't make it a year even.

Bingo. Ethnic Carib traffic lives and dies off of those four cities and Miami. ATL has very little of that type of traffic on an O&D basis. AA's got all of those cities having good flow to Miami plus the local base (which due to no need to prorate the traffic, drives up yields immensely).
 
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:05 am

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 9):
Bingo. Ethnic Carib traffic lives and dies off of those four cities and Miami. ATL has very little of that type of traffic on an O&D basis. AA's got all of those cities having good flow to Miami plus the local base (which due to no need to prorate the traffic, drives up yields immensely).

FDF and PTP aren't ethnic markets. It's tourism. But it's super high-end, so the fares are awesome. But the market is tiny - they are only around 15 PDEW each from Miami; and a tad bit less from NYC.
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:08 am

What's the aircraft on these routes?
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:06 am

Looks like the RTP businesses finally got their voices heard. They've been trying to get a better timed daily LAX flight for a long time. This is a big loss for DL. DL does provide better connections from RDU because of the focus city but you'd be surprised at how fast people around here will jump programs to the airline that better suits the area.
 
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:35 am

It's clear AA will be moving beyond the long time conservative stance they have taken opening new markets.

I will be interested in seeing if AA flies the A319 on the LAX-RDU route. That's probaby the best size a/c for this market.
It will be interesting to see if DL increases the frequency on their LAX-RDU service to daily and re-time it to make it more attractive to corporate clients they have in RDU having a focus city there. I believe they fly this with a A320 a big portion of the time or is it, a 73H?
 
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:56 am

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 9):
You mention ALB as a possibility - I wouldn't be shocked to see cities like PWM, PVD, etc. return, where the other majors are getting some mainline metal in there each day.

After over 4 years, I still cannot believe AA cut PVD and ALB, considering US,UA,and DL all fly mainline into these cities, yet somehow AA could not make them work. I can definitely see both PVD and ALB coming back online.
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:03 am

I wonder what plane will fly JFK-IAH!
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:17 am

This is perfect!! Let me guess the a/c is a 737-800?

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Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:28 am

On the Miami domestic side, would like to see the addition of:
MIA-SAN
MIA-AUS
MIA-MCI
MIA-BUF
MIA-MKE
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:46 am

LAX-RDU is added before SAN-MIA ... Odd
 
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:51 am

RDU sounds great to me! Will definitely make flying a lot more convenient for me. What aircraft will be flying the route??
 
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:53 am

Quoting Noise (Reply 20):
RDU sounds great to me! Will definitely make flying a lot more convenient for me. What aircraft will be flying the route??

Probably the 738 at first. Sounds like a great 2x/3x A319 route in the future....
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:21 am

I'd love to see SYR-DFW return. It'd be massively convenient, personally.
 
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:26 am

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 16):

My guess is a 737-800. I wonder what the frequency will be? It says daily, but does that mean A daily flight, or daily flightS on the route. It is hard that I couldn't book it on AA's website, so I couldn't see.

[Edited 2012-12-20 20:26:48]
 
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:35 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
It'll be interesting to see how these pan out--they're some of the very rare Caribbean/Latin destinations that would work better out of ATL than MIA because of the superior feed, and they didn't work out of ATL. Great fares though, just tiny markets.

MIA will work much better than ATL; most people from Guadeloupe and Martinique when travel to the U.S,their final destination is MIA to go shoppping, take a cruise or visit friends then MCO and NYC would be the other destinations they will go to

Quoting panam330 (Reply 22):
Does AF still operate these routes from MIA or am I off base here?

AF flights from PTP & FDF arrive in MIA in the evening, so same day connections are not really possible
 
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:54 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 23):
My guess is a 737-800. I wonder what the frequency will be? It says daily, but does that mean A daily flight, or daily flightS on the route. It is hard that I couldn't book it on AA's website, so I couldn't see
Quoting miaami (Reply 18):

Won't be bookable until the 23rd...

This is perfect!! Let me guess the a/c is a 737-800?

Now all we need is that DL CDG flight!!  

LOL. As much demand as there may be, along with FRA, there won't be any additional TATL routes from RDU as long as AA maintains somewhat a hold of corporate contracts and uses that to their advantage.
 
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:00 am

Just some thoughts.

I'm glad AA is filling in the holes, but we really need to hear about more intl routes. That said, it would be great if AA maintained LAX-RDU in addition to US' LAX-CLT post any AA-US merger.

If there is to be no merger, then AA needs to up their game on the LAX-PHX route, and add a couple of mainline flights.

Also, if AA can operate LAX-IAD alongside UA, can AA try LAX-ATL without feed on the ATL side? What about jumping back into JFK-ATL?
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:00 am

Quoting AFCDGPTP (Reply 24):

MIA will work much better than ATL

The market is so small it's not going to make a huge difference either way, though MIA has the advantage.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 7):

But what connections does Atlanta have that make it so superior?

ATL has much more volume--it's around 3x as big as MIA in terms of departures. Local market aside, connection opportunities are going to be maximized through a larger hub, and there's none larger than ATL.
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:43 am

I'm happy to see RDU connected to all AA cornerstone markets and I hope DL moves their LAX flight to daily. However, there are still a couple of domestic destinations that I would like to see added by airlines at RDU...

MSY - WN 737 or DL CR9
AUS - B6 E90 or WN 737
SEA - AS 737
SJU - B6 320 or DL 319
MCI - WN 737 or DL CR7
SAN - AS 737 or WN 737
JAX - DL CR7 or WN 737

I'm sure there are others but some additional non stops are highly needed..
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:50 am

I'd like to see MDT-DFW return. The route was dropped in late 2008 I believe when they temporary pulled out of Harrisburg. They have since returned with MDT-ORD. I'm sure they have bigger fish to fry though.
 
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:47 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 28):
MSY - WN 737 or DL CR9

this! right!?!

AA on a LAX n/s hmmmm - gotta say - AA has a large loyal frequent flyer base at RDU, good to see AA showing RDU some routage. Now, will this work out? UA n/s SFO - and DL still in the LAX n/s market.
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:04 pm

AA already flew DFW-LIM, good to see that route return, it's going to be LATAM code-share?
Are PTP and FDF both get dedicated flights? If AA is testing the market, wouldn't be better to 1st fly MIA-FDF-PTP-MIA Saturday and Sundays and see how it performes?
With those Euros, people from PTP and FDF may find flying non-stop to MIA to go shopping quite appealing.
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:25 pm

I wonder if UA will respond to the JFK/IAH service...look at the over reaction to EWR being announce by VX...might be interesting....
 
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:04 pm

Unfortunately in the same route announcement AA said they're ending one of the five daily JFK-LHR flights on March 30. I say unfortunate for the crews that fly it, but clearly AA is still well served in the market with four dailies on their own metal, plus up to eight more on JV partner BA. They did say, however, two of the remaining flights will switch to the 777-300ER. Flight 100 switches on March 15 (which we already knew), and 138 on May 9.
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:08 pm

Could the new LAX-RDU service be timed to allow connections for RDU-LHR? With new 773s coming in what's the possibility of upgrading the route again to the 772? I could see it being twice daily service. AM departure for the businesses and a PM departure for pax connecting from LHR and vise versa.
 
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:15 pm

It will be interesting to see where the BOS and JFK to LHR slots end up. This also free's up a 777-200 that could be used elsewhere. Sounds as though there are more to come on route announcements.
 
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:23 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 6):
I imagine AA will probably knock DL off the route as well. Even though they've cut back almost continuously at RDU for years, they still have a very loyal frequent flier and corporate base in the region with their RDU-LHR flight and all.

Don't count on it.

The "frequent flyer base" argument is something I've always found silly. That loyalty is only good as your most recent status year. If AA has been cutting back, and you've had to find another carrier, then your loyalty to AA is as past tense as AA's RDU dominance is. Same applies to the corporates.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 14):
I will be interested in seeing if AA flies the A319 on the LAX-RDU route. That's probaby the best size a/c for this market.
It will be interesting to see if DL increases the frequency on their LAX-RDU service to daily and re-time it to make it more attractive to corporate clients they have in RDU having a focus city there. I believe they fly this with a A320 a big portion of the time or is it, a 73H?

I'm afraid that anyone expecting Delta to fold up in the RDU-LAX market due to this doesn't really know Delta very well. It is far more likely you'll see them increase capacity and hunker down for a fight. They've made a huge investment in RDU over a the past couple of years while AA has shrunk to a shadow of its former self. They aren't going to lose ground to AA in this market.

Some perspective from the U.S. DOT DB1B O&D Date for YE 2Q12:

RDU Passenger Share
DL 26%
WN 21%
US 16%
AA 16%

RDU Revenue Share
DL 25%
AA 18%
WN 15%
US 14%

They may have a LHR flight still, but this isn't AA's market anymore. Expect a fight.
 
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:29 pm

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 36):
They may have a LHR flight still, but this isn't AA's market anymore. Expect a fight.

I wouldnt call RDU DL's market or anyone elses. The market share is spread pretty evenly among several carriers.

Its not exactly ATL, CLT, IAH, or DFW.
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:44 pm

Quoting cessna2 (Reply 34):
Could the new LAX-RDU service be timed to allow connections for RDU-LHR? With new 773s coming in what's the possibility of upgrading the route again to the 772? I could see it being twice daily service. AM departure for the businesses and a PM departure for pax connecting from LHR and vise versa.

Be happy with the recently added services by AA/UA/DL to the west coast. RDU will be lucky to keep what it has to LHR esp if US/AA get married.
 
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:47 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 37):
I wouldnt call RDU DL's market or anyone elses. The market share is spread pretty evenly among several carriers.

Its not exactly ATL, CLT, IAH, or DFW.

Did I?

What I am saying is that Delta believes it is their market. That's what is going to matter.
 
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:50 pm

Quoting cessna2 (Reply 34):
Could the new LAX-RDU service be timed to allow connections for RDU-LHR? With new 773s coming in what's the possibility of upgrading the route again to the 772? I could see it being twice daily service

Sorry i don't see them going larger than a 767 or more than once daily. It might be timed to allow for that possibly but LAX has its own N/S flight so its not be a major boost or something that. Certainly no double daily or 777 is needed.

If AA is able to kick Delta off i wonder if they would consider LAX-CMH and try to get them off that run as well which Delta operatees "seasonal" as well
 
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:08 pm

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 39):
What I am saying is that Delta believes it is their market. That's what is going to matter.

Then they believe wrong. Its not a market that is dominated by one carrier.

When a carrier has 70% or better marketshare, then its their market. 26%? No way.
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:18 pm

Quoting panam330 (Reply 22):

I'd love to see SYR-DFW return. It'd be massively convenient, personally.

Me too. I remember when DFW had access to a variety of the "corner" markets in the Northeast: ROC, SYR, BUF, PVD, etc. I hope they come back!

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 27):
ATL has much more volume--it's around 3x as big as MIA in terms of departures. Local market aside, connection opportunities are going to be maximized through a larger hub, and there's none larger than ATL.

That's great. It doesn't necessarily means the yields are higher. Bigger is not always better, but it's the card that the ATL fanboys love to play.   

I know, I'm stoking the fire there.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 31):
AA already flew DFW-LIM, good to see that route return, it's going to be LATAM code-share?

It hasn't been announced yet, but I am almost certain that will inevitably take place. Part of the impetus for the route returning in general has to do with the LAN hub at the Lima end, so leveraging that partnership is a pretty critical element to its future success.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 33):
Unfortunately in the same route announcement AA said they're ending one of the five daily JFK-LHR flights on March 30. I say unfortunate for the crews that fly it, but clearly AA is still well served in the market with four dailies on their own metal, plus up to eight more on JV partner BA. They did say, however, two of the remaining flights will switch to the 777-300ER. Flight 100 switches on March 15 (which we already knew), and 138 on May 9.

Meh. Shakeups on the BOS/JFK-LHR market between AA and BA are becoming the norm. At the end of the day, it's a mere drop in the bucket to me.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 37):
I wouldnt call RDU DL's market or anyone elses. The market share is spread pretty evenly among several carriers.

I'm seeing

DL: 25.8%
WN: 24.2%
AA: 16.6%
US: 14.6%
UA: 10.2%

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 36):
They've made a huge investment in RDU over a the past couple of years while AA has shrunk to a shadow of its former self.

Wait, whatever happened to the DL RDU-CDG flight? Am I missing something?
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:27 pm

RDU-CDG got cancelled because AA said that if DL got subsidies, they would pull the LHR flight. Since AA offered better connecting opportunities via BA at LHR.. RTRP backed down. Then, I believe, DL made a push and has continued to push for the corporate contracts for the LHR flight so they can get offer international service with guarantees.. I believe they were looking to start the LHR and CDG flights if they could. Heard AA is not trying to let go and has a x term contract. Now, if US and AA merge.. And now that DL has a VX tie... It could be interesting what the future holds... Could be good 787 routes..
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:30 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 43):
RDU-CDG got cancelled because AA said that if DL got subsidies, they would pull the LHR flight. Since AA offered better connecting opportunities via BA at LHR.. RTRP backed down. Then, I believe, DL made a push and has continued to push for the corporate contracts for the LHR flight so they can get offer international service with guarantees.. I believe they were looking to start the LHR and CDG flights if they could. Heard AA is not trying to let go and has a x term contract. Now, if US and AA merge.. And now that DL has a VX tie... It could be interesting what the future holds... Could be good 787 routes..

RDU-CDG is nowhere near as large as RDU-LHR which is North Carolina's largest European O&D market. RDU-LHR is almost 100 passengers a day.

If they have a choice, LHR needs to be served, not CDG.
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Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:34 pm

Much like, LHR... If RTRP is willing to pay for it.. Why wouldn't DL want to fly it. And with another mega hub on the other end, it should be able to survive.. And with any route.. It can grow and become more seasoned...
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:36 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 40):

Maybe you've forgotten that this route was operated by the 777 for many years...
 
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:51 pm

What kind of aircraft will be used to IAH
 
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:05 pm

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 36):
Some perspective from the U.S. DOT DB1B O&D Date for YE 2Q12:

RDU Passenger Share
DL 26%
WN 21%
US 16%
AA 16%

RDU Revenue Share
DL 25%
AA 18%
WN 15%
US 14%

This is a questionable argument if the other side of the route (LAX) is not considered.
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RE: AA New Routes: LAX-RDU, JFK-IAH, MIA-FDF/PTP

Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:20 pm

Quoting commavia (Thread starter):
LAX-RDU (daily from 4/2/13)

Would have been useful to me if they had started flying this earlier this week.

Quoting commavia (Thread starter):
LAX-RDU is surprising only in so much as AA has shown shrinking attention to RDU in recent years with the pulldown of most RDU-Northeast capacity. Nonetheless, I am intrigued to see that AA is going to wade into the LAX-RDU nonstop market.

Its a route that makes tons of sense and has always been strangely absent.

Quoting commavia (Thread starter):
The LAX end will obviously provide a good amount of feed, and AA does still have a strong corporate presence at the RDU end.

Combine the FF loyalty on each end and the Asia/Pacific-bound connectivity and it should be a winner.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 2):
1) Significant connecting the dots between current spokes that only have service to one hub (i.e. Ottawa and Buffalo).

BUF would be great. Its crazy that BUF only has ORD service now.

Quoting GRUIAD (Reply 19):
LAX-RDU is added before SAN-MIA ... Odd

Not really. LAX is a behemoth market.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 28):
SAN - AS 737 or WN 737

Why would AS do that?

Quoting cessna2 (Reply 34):

Could the new LAX-RDU service be timed to allow connections for RDU-LHR?

I don't see why. LAX-LHR already has its own flight and there is plenty of connectivity elsewhere.
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